A "is this a good college" thread for all college searchers...

I live in NJ and know quite a few kids who applied to Seton Hall. I don't know of anyone who didn't get a scholarship there ;) Apparently they give out quite a few.

Well, that is nice to know!! My dd is going with a Seton Hall Alum on Friday to do the college tour.
 
Hello.
This was mentioned earlier with McDaniel, but here is a link to the Loren Pope book "Colleges that Change Lives" . I saw Ursinus was just mentioned in this thread and Eckerd. I teach at another one on the list. These all are great schools, but it certainly isn't one size fits all.
We have overnight visits, where the prospective student gets to stay in a dorm with other students and then attends classes the next day. They can really get a feel for it. You can't always judge the fit from statistics and printed facts.

It is also good to look at options for 2nd and 3rd choices for majors. (If your son's or daughter's first choice doesn't work out for them.) I see such relief on students' faces when they find that a different major/career path is just perfect for them than what they originally intended.

I agree that it is more important to find a school that is a good fit vs having the "right" major. Most college students change their major at least once, very rarely do they stick with what they think they will as incoming freshmen. If need be down the road they can always transfer but I would prefer for at least the first 2 years they are in a place that they love.
 
Besides what you already mentioned what else did you think about Rider? Like the campus overall and area around it, it's on my list of schools I still want to look it.

Manhatten, Manhattenville, Purchase, Seton Hall, Fordham, and Ursinus are also all on that list. Since I already checked out all of the more competative schools in the Northeast I was interested in and hated most now Im just looking for places where I could nail big scholarships. I feel like Seton Hall is my new number once because it's a lot like my previous top school (more competative one) but I could get good money there.

Rather than moving away from top schools to lower tiers, why not think outside the geographical limits you set for yourself. There are so many great schools outside the northeast. You just might find you like different areas of the country. I think you said earlier a 6 hour drive from home. You could be be pretty much anywhere in the continental US and get on a direct flight home more quickly than that.......
 
Rather than moving away from top schools to lower tiers, why not think outside the geographical limits you set for yourself. There are so many great schools outside the northeast. You just might find you like different areas of the country. I think you said earlier a 6 hour drive from home. You could be be pretty much anywhere in the continental US and get on a direct flight home more quickly than that.......

I agree-and with gas prices jumping through the roof, a flight for one person will probably be less expensive then a round trip car ride.

DD16 said she didn't want to go too far from home until I pointed out that most likely it will take less time to FLY from somewhere in the country than drive. Even with getting to the airport early, etc. most flights (for us being in the middle of the country especially) are 3 hours or less, so that is 5 hours of "time" getting to the airport, flying, driving home from the airport here. That has opened up her opportunities significantly. Our oldest is 4 hours away and while going up there and back in a day to pick him up is possible, it is a LONG day. If you plan to drive back and forth to school, I would limit your radius to 3 hours away or more than 5 to fly back and forth.
 

Rather than moving away from top schools to lower tiers, why not think outside the geographical limits you set for yourself. There are so many great schools outside the northeast. You just might find you like different areas of the country. I think you said earlier a 6 hour drive from home. You could be be pretty much anywhere in the continental US and get on a direct flight home more quickly than that.......

Because I want to be close enough to get home quickly if I need to or be able to go home on weekends easily. I know I would love other parts of the country but I want to still be close to my home and family. My family is very close and I could never imagine being far away from them. At first I wanted to look at some places in Florida but then I realized I really could not handle that. I also have arthritis so I would like to be close to home to be nearer to my doctors and everything.

I agree-and with gas prices jumping through the roof, a flight for one person will probably be less expensive then a round trip car ride.

DD16 said she didn't want to go too far from home until I pointed out that most likely it will take less time to FLY from somewhere in the country than drive. Even with getting to the airport early, etc. most flights (for us being in the middle of the country especially) are 3 hours or less, so that is 5 hours of "time" getting to the airport, flying, driving home from the airport here. That has opened up her opportunities significantly. Our oldest is 4 hours away and while going up there and back in a day to pick him up is possible, it is a LONG day. If you plan to drive back and forth to school, I would limit your radius to 3 hours away or more than 5 to fly back and forth.

But the problem is flying can get expensive.
 
Because I want to be close enough to get home quickly if I need to or be able to go home on weekends easily. I know I would love other parts of the country but I want to still be close to my home and family. My family is very close and I could never imagine being far away from them. At first I wanted to look at some places in Florida but then I realized I really could not handle that. I also have arthritis so I would like to be close to home to be nearer to my doctors and everything.



But the problem is flying can get expensive.

This is exactly why DD chose a school less than 3 hours away. I don't think she'd be happy too far from home. She is actually happiest at home.
 
Because I want to be close enough to get home quickly if I need to or be able to go home on weekends easily. I know I would love other parts of the country but I want to still be close to my home and family. My family is very close and I could never imagine being far away from them. At first I wanted to look at some places in Florida but then I realized I really could not handle that. I also have arthritis so I would like to be close to home to be nearer to my doctors and everything.



But the problem is flying can get expensive.


If you truly do not want to be that far away from family, you need to look at schools that are much closer to home.

There are excellent doctors all across the US. You can't use that as an excuse.

You are very likely to have classes and activities scheduled most days of the week. How will you fit in a Tuesday @ 2pm doctors appointment when you have to drive 6 hours one way to get there and you need to get back in time for your next class?

If you are having pain from your arthritis, do you really think you will be in the mood to drive for 6 hours to get home?

I assume you will have a car on campus? The university we just visited charges over $1000 a year for a parking permit. If you add up parking fees, the price of gas to get back and forth and maintenance on your vehicle, you should easily be able to afford a few plane tickets back home.

It is okay to say that you want to be close to home. It is totally natural the first time a young person leaves home. If you aren't going to be happy on the other side of the country, don't do it. However, be realistic. If you want to be close to home, you need to narrow your search to colleges that are 2 to 3 hours max from home.
 
We looked at Rider for DD (granted about 10 years ago). Seemed "decent" when we did our visit. We too were looking there because of their generous merit offers. We weren't "blown away" but it was acceptable. It was one of the first we visited in our search. Then DD had the opportunity to stay there for a week for Girls' State. That took it off her list - the dorms were small, dark and cramped, needed some serious maintenance and she didn't particularly like the campus.

Fast forward five years and it was on the list for DS to visit. We didn't even get to the visit stage because when I called admission to schedule a visit, the woman was so rude to me, I just hung up and we were done as he had plenty of other great choices on his list.

BTW, DD got excellent merit offers from other more competitive schools to which she applied. In the end, the merit offers made each college cost about the same, which is the bottom line. So yes, we were enticed by Rider with the offer of large merit awards (it was $12-15,000 which was a lot back then), but when we saw the other schools that were on her list that ended up offering her equally good amounts, Rider did not measure up to those.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you DD end up going to college?
This is my first time posting to this thread (just found it!) and I am so glad
I did!! My oldest DD will be heading off to college in the fall. We are in NJ and she did not want to go far from home. She appled to 4 schools total - 2 in state schools - one being Rider - and 2 out of state schools. She was accepted to all 4 with merit scholarships. She will be going to the NJ school
that's about 1.5 hours away - not too far - not too close.
 
If you truly do not want to be that far away from family, you need to look at schools that are much closer to home.

There are excellent doctors all across the US. You can't use that as an excuse.

You are very likely to have classes and activities scheduled most days of the week. How will you fit in a Tuesday @ 2pm doctors appointment when you have to drive 6 hours one way to get there and you need to get back in time for your next class?

If you are having pain from your arthritis, do you really think you will be in the mood to drive for 6 hours to get home?

I assume you will have a car on campus? The university we just visited charges over $1000 a year for a parking permit. If you add up parking fees, the price of gas to get back and forth and maintenance on your vehicle, you should easily be able to afford a few plane tickets back home.

It is okay to say that you want to be close to home. It is totally natural the first time a young person leaves home. If you aren't going to be happy on the other side of the country, don't do it. However, be realistic. If you want to be close to home, you need to narrow your search to colleges that are 2 to 3 hours max from home.


I am looking only 4 hours max away from home and 3 would be better, I think I really only have 1 or 2 schools on my list more then 3 away. Besides my family I do hate where I live so while I still want to be close to them I do want to get somewhat far away from where I am and to me that is about 3 hours.

I understand that there are good doctors anywhere but they are not my doctors that know me and everything. I do not plan on having doctor appointments schedueled for when I am not home. In case I do get sick I do not plan on going home but it would be nice to be able to have my mom get to me quick. My cousin always tells the story of when she got very sick one year at college and how it took her mom 6+ hours to get to her and she hated that. If I ever do get really sick or something like that I want my parents to be able to get to me quick enough.

I do not plan on having a car at college since most cars do not allow it anyway. Actually, I dont even own a car or plan on getting one before college so the car thing is definetely a no. Why did you even assume I was going to have a car:confused3

I know that I want to be somewhat close to home now. Would being on the other side of the country in better weather or a different atmosphere be cool? Yeah for sure. But do I want to do that right now? No way, right now I still want to be somewhat close to family and friends. And, being close to home makes my parents life easier. When they have to move me in and out of my dorm its better for them to only have to drive 3 or 4 hours to get to me. Also, I am an only child so I am close to my parents and I know that they want me closer to home and them and I am fine with that.
 
I am looking only 4 hours max away from home and 3 would be better, I think I really only have 1 or 2 schools on my list more then 3 away. Besides my family I do hate where I live so while I still want to be close to them I do want to get somewhat far away from where I am and to me that is about 3 hours.

I understand that there are good doctors anywhere but they are not my doctors that know me and everything. I do not plan on having doctor appointments schedueled for when I am not home. In case I do get sick I do not plan on going home but it would be nice to be able to have my mom get to me quick. My cousin always tells the story of when she got very sick one year at college and how it took her mom 6+ hours to get to her and she hated that. If I ever do get really sick or something like that I want my parents to be able to get to me quick enough.

I do not plan on having a car at college since most cars do not allow it anyway. Actually, I dont even own a car or plan on getting one before college so the car thing is definetely a no. Why did you even assume I was going to have a car:confused3

I know that I want to be somewhat close to home now. Would being on the other side of the country in better weather or a different atmosphere be cool? Yeah for sure. But do I want to do that right now? No way, right now I still want to be somewhat close to family and friends. And, being close to home makes my parents life easier. When they have to move me in and out of my dorm its better for them to only have to drive 3 or 4 hours to get to me. Also, I am an only child so I am close to my parents and I know that they want me closer to home and them and I am fine with that.

Even if you are 3 hours away from home, it just might take your mom 6+ hours to get there after she makes whatever arrangements she needs to go take care of you. You also have to realize that you aren't going to HAVE mom for everything and you just might have to suck it up a bit and deal with being sick on your own when you go away to college. It is all part of getting older. From the way you were talking I would assume you were going to have a car on campus as well. If you are even 3 hours from home, that is 6 hours round trip for your parents. Trust me, they are NOT going to want to make that trip very often, which is why being somewhere you can fly to/from might be a better idea. If you plan ahead, flights will be less expensive or as expensive as a round trip car trip.
 
If you read my posts you can see that I explained that I am most certainly not planning on putting all my eggs in one baskets.
I read them: Sports journalism, politics as a back-up plan. Yeah.
It's a hoot what makes or breaks a college for kids (and parents too).
Yeah, I hear it from my seniors all the time. But people who choose because of the proximity to the beach (or mountains), because their best friend's going there, because the dorms are great, because of the pool tables in the student union, because the football team is great, or similar reasons tend not to stay at those schools -- because they've chosen for superficial reasons.

I'm certain that I'm doing the right thing with my girls by talking about size of schools, distance from home, etc. FIRST and then considering specific schools later -- only after they've developed an idea of what they want.
Spanish opening doors...we made friends with a guy from Miami at our local college a few years back. Instead of going back to FL, he stayed here. He was a history major and played ball. He got a job coaching ball at a local HS and is a translator/interpreter for the school system--they have a huge Spanish speaking community and since he is Cuban and fluent in Spanish, *bingo*--he got the job!
Second languages have been opening doors for years. That's what got my father a job when he came to America for college back in the 60s. He and my mother worked together, and they did the same job, but he was paid more because he was fluent in Spanish.
I agree-and with gas prices jumping through the roof, a flight for one person will probably be less expensive then a round trip car ride.
I disagree. If you drive an inexpensive car (a must if you're going to college 6 hours away), here's how the numbers'd break down: Let's say 6 hours x 60 MPH = 360 miles. My car gets 40 MPG, so I'd need 9 gallons to make that drive. At today's prices, that's $31.50 for the student to drive to school. You might have good luck on Priceline and get an occasional ticket for less than that, but you're not going to do it on a regular basis.

If the student isn't going to have a car at school, a parent's going to have to make the drive back home again, so that'd be $73 round-trip, but you're still not likely to get plane tickets for $73 on a regular basis.

Admittedly, gas could go higher, ruining this math, but when gas prices go up so do plane ticket prices. After all, they use gas too.

And consider that when you move the student into college, you're probably going to need to drive something BIG ENOUGH to move all the student's stuff. Then at the end of the year you've either got to go back with the big car or pay to store things near the college. To drive our big Explorer to college will cost much more than the above-mentioned figures.

And then there's not being able to come home regularly -- most college students want to come home when it suits them. Quite a few of the students I've known who wanted to go "as far as possible from home" didn't like it all that much. So you have to decide whether your student is the one who'd be fine with it, or who'd be miserable knowing she can't come home 'til Christmas.
There are excellent doctors all across the US. You can't use that as an excuse . . . I assume you will have a car on campus? The university we just visited charges over $1000 a year for a parking permit.
Yeah, medical care is one thing we've talked about with our college-bound daughter. We've talked about how part of her tuition goes to cover the university's health center, and that should be her first stop for typical things along the lines of strep throat, etc. She didn't know that colleges provide this right on campus.

$1000 a year to park? Wow. I thought the $300 figures that we're hearing were outrageous.
I understand that there are good doctors anywhere but they are not my doctors that know me and everything . . . I do not plan on having a car at college since most cars do not allow it anyway. Actually, I dont even own a car or plan on getting one before college so the car thing is definetely a no. Why did you even assume I was going to have a car
And another doctor could get to know your circumstances in one visit, so -- as another poster said -- that isn't a good reason to choose any particular college. Well, within reason: I have taught two students who as high school seniors were going through cancer treatment. Those students, who were in the middle of their treatment, did need to stay near their current doctors (and needed to live at home to be cared for by their parents), but you're talking about maintenance care for an ongoing condition. Choose your college, then look for a doctor nearby.

Why would someone assume you'd need a car on campus? Well, most college students will be involved in off-campus observations, clinicals, co-ops -- or working at part-time jobs. Unless you're going to a college in the city, where public transportation is always available and is inexpensive, you should consider a car at some point.

My own daughter -- if she sticks to her current plan -- will not have a car on campus as a freshman. As a freshman she'll definitely live in a dorm and all her classes will be on campus. The freshman parking lot is literally 2 miles down the road, and they have to take a bus to reach it. We haven't personally found a college yet that doesn't allow freshmen to bring cars, but they don't all make it convenient for a freshman. That same bus will take them not only all over campus, but also downtown to stores, restaurants, etc. We're planning to buy her a new car for graduation, but she's already said that IF she sticks to this plan, she wants to delay that purchase 'til after her first year of college -- she doesn't want her car to sit there getting older in our driveway while she's away at school. BUT when she's a junior/senior she'll need to go to the hospital daily for nursing clinicals. At that point, she'll be able to park in the upper classman lots (unless she's in an apartment by then) and it'll be unreasonable for her to wait for the bus on a daily basis. So she'll definitely need a car by then. I think that's a fairly typical story -- no real need for a car as a freshman, but a definite need for one later.
 
I am looking only 4 hours max away from home and 3 would be better, I think I really only have 1 or 2 schools on my list more then 3 away. Besides my family I do hate where I live so while I still want to be close to them I do want to get somewhat far away from where I am and to me that is about 3 hours.

I understand that there are good doctors anywhere but they are not my doctors that know me and everything. I do not plan on having doctor appointments schedueled for when I am not home. In case I do get sick I do not plan on going home but it would be nice to be able to have my mom get to me quick. My cousin always tells the story of when she got very sick one year at college and how it took her mom 6+ hours to get to her and she hated that. If I ever do get really sick or something like that I want my parents to be able to get to me quick enough.

I do not plan on having a car at college since most cars do not allow it anyway. Actually, I dont even own a car or plan on getting one before college so the car thing is definetely a no. Why did you even assume I was going to have a car:confused3

I know that I want to be somewhat close to home now. Would being on the other side of the country in better weather or a different atmosphere be cool? Yeah for sure. But do I want to do that right now? No way, right now I still want to be somewhat close to family and friends. And, being close to home makes my parents life easier. When they have to move me in and out of my dorm its better for them to only have to drive 3 or 4 hours to get to me. Also, I am an only child so I am close to my parents and I know that they want me closer to home and them and I am fine with that.

I think it's good that you considering the distance from home. My oldest attended a college that was 90 miles away, it usually took 1 1/2 to 2 hours to get there. That was so convenient! During her four years, she was able to come home easily for family events, doctor's appointments, even interviews for summer jobs during April/May, without missing classes. I remember one year her first class on Monday was at 11, so when she came home for Easter weekend I drove her back Monday morning. She also had access to Amtrak, which stops 10 minutes from our house.

Then my second dd picked a college that is 4 1/2 hours away. That is a lot harder to do one-day trips, like picking her up/taking her back for breaks, etc. The good thing is that she can get a bus home, which drops her off near us in NJ and then continues to NYC. She has taken that a few times, usually things like Thanksgiving break that would require a mid-week pickup.

So I would look at alternative means of getting yourself back and forth, like buses/trains. It was important to us since neither of my kids had a car at college. :)
 
Just throwing in my $.02- the school that I've decided to go to--and a lot of the others like it--have parking permits for $480-500 per semester. So around $1000 a year is pretty typical around here, anyway.
 
I am looking only 4 hours max away from home and 3 would be better, I think I really only have 1 or 2 schools on my list more then 3 away. Besides my family I do hate where I live so while I still want to be close to them I do want to get somewhat far away from where I am and to me that is about 3 hours.

I understand that there are good doctors anywhere but they are not my doctors that know me and everything. I do not plan on having doctor appointments schedueled for when I am not home. In case I do get sick I do not plan on going home but it would be nice to be able to have my mom get to me quick. My cousin always tells the story of when she got very sick one year at college and how it took her mom 6+ hours to get to her and she hated that. If I ever do get really sick or something like that I want my parents to be able to get to me quick enough.

I do not plan on having a car at college since most cars do not allow it anyway. Actually, I dont even own a car or plan on getting one before college so the car thing is definetely a no. Why did you even assume I was going to have a car:confused3

I know that I want to be somewhat close to home now. Would being on the other side of the country in better weather or a different atmosphere be cool? Yeah for sure. But do I want to do that right now? No way, right now I still want to be somewhat close to family and friends. And, being close to home makes my parents life easier. When they have to move me in and out of my dorm its better for them to only have to drive 3 or 4 hours to get to me. Also, I am an only child so I am close to my parents and I know that they want me closer to home and them and I am fine with that.

Why would I assume that you would have a car? Because you made it sound like would be able to get home in 6 hours if you lived 6 hours from home. Without a car, it will take a minimum of 12 hours to get home.

Even if you are 3 hours from home, it isn't likely that you are going to get home in 6 hours. It takes time for someone on the other end to drop everything they are doing to come get you.

I would imagine you will need to be VERY sick for you mom to come get you. Do you get THAT sick that often? Most moms aren't going to bring their kids home because they have a fever or the flu. The college should have a medical facility and you are going to have to start to learn to fend for yourself in some of these situations.

It sounds like you would be much better off staying close to home. There isn't anything wrong with that. Many 18 y/o are not ready to leave the nest completely at that age. Nothing wrong with that.

However, I do hope you are open to working anywhere in the country once you graduate.

The top two reasons kids can't get jobs after graduating college:

1. They picked a useless major

2. They refuse to move any significant distance for a job
 
I disagree. If you drive an inexpensive car (a must if you're going to college 6 hours away), here's how the numbers'd break down: Let's say 6 hours x 60 MPH = 360 miles. My car gets 40 MPG, so I'd need 9 gallons to make that drive. At today's prices, that's $31.50 for the student to drive to school. You might have good luck on Priceline and get an occasional ticket for less than that, but you're not going to do it on a regular basis.

If the student isn't going to have a car at school, a parent's going to have to make the drive back home again, so that'd be $73 round-trip, but you're still not likely to get plane tickets for $73 on a regular basis.

Admittedly, gas could go higher, ruining this math, but when gas prices go up so do plane ticket prices. After all, they use gas too.

And consider that when you move the student into college, you're probably going to need to drive something BIG ENOUGH to move all the student's stuff. Then at the end of the year you've either got to go back with the big car or pay to store things near the college.

And then there's not being able to come home regularly -- most college students want to come home when it suits them. Quite a few of the students I've known who wanted to go "as far as possible from home" didn't like it all that much. So you have to decide whether your student is the one who'd be fine with it, or who'd be miserable knowing she can't come home 'til Christmas. Yeah, medical care is one thing we've talked about with our college-bound daughter. We've talked about how part of her tuition goes to cover the university's health center, and that should be her first stop for typical things along the lines of strep throat, etc. She didn't know that colleges provide this right on campus.

$1000 a year to park? Wow. I thought the $300 figures that we're hearing were outrageous. And another doctor could get to know your circumstances in one visit, so -- as another poster said -- that isn't a good reason to choose any particular college. Well, within reason: I have taught two students who as high school seniors were going through cancer treatment. Those students, who were in the middle of their treatment, did need to stay near their current doctors (and needed to live at home to be cared for by their parents), but you're talking about maintenance care for an ongoing condition. Choose your college, then look for a doctor nearby.

Why would someone assume you'd need a car on campus? Well, most college students will be involved in off-campus observations, clinicals, co-ops -- or working at part-time jobs. Unless you're going to a college in the city, where public transportation is always available and is inexpensive, you should consider a car at some point.

My own daughter -- if she sticks to her current plan -- will not have a car on campus as a freshman. As a freshman she'll definitely live in a dorm and all her classes will be on campus. The freshman parking lot is literally 2 miles down the road, and they have to take a bus to reach it. That same bus will take them not only all over campus, but also downtown to stores, restaurants, etc. We're planning to buy her a new car for graduation, but she's already said that IF she sticks to this plan, she wants to delay that purchase 'til after her first year of college -- she doesn't want her car to sit there getting older in our driveway while she's away at school. BUT when she's a junior/senior she'll need to go to the hospital daily for nursing clinicals. At that point, she'll be able to park in the upper classman lots (unless she's in an apartment by then) and it'll be unreasonable for her to wait for the bus on a daily basis. So she'll definitely need a car by then. I think that's a fairly typical story -- no real need for a car as a freshman, but a definite need for one later.

You are also discounting the wear and tear on a vehicle/oil, tires, etc. It isn't just gas prices that are an issue. Sorry, but I would take a $150 flight over $80 gas and 12 HOURS of round trip driving-assuming you are doing that in one day. If not, you add in $100/hotel room, each way, and now your round trip flight is less then a car trip up and back, even on an expensive flight.

DS18 said he would never want a car on campus. Parking permits for the farthest lots (i.e. the cheep lots) are $360/semester. We haven't spent that much money for him to come home all year (he has been taking the bus for the most part). It just isn't worth having a car on his campus. Most campus' have arrangements, at least every single one we have looked at, for transportation for students for clinical, etc. No one really NEEDS a car on campus, some WANT a car on campus.
 
I'm surprised by all the people who seem to consider a car a necessity for college. While I agree it can be challenging to do internships at time, it can usually be done.

I went to school 400 miles from my parents home and only took the bus home once. Other times I was able to find ride shares. It was win/win since I provided gas money and sometimes a perfect stopping point with a free place to stay on their way home. I also went through through two semesters of teaching internships, plus student teaching, none of which were on a bus line, all without a car. The school helped match drivers with non-drivers who would pay for gas. I even lived off campus one year, walking to a grocery store and walking a few blocks to take a bus to a laundry mat.

My parents loaned me money to buy a used car after graduation. I'm 100% sure it was less expensive than maintaining a car and insurance for those four years.

The colleges my boys will probably go to will be either in a big city with busses or a small town where they can walk or ride their bike everywhere. Coming home (probably 3 or 4 times during the year) won't be an issue because the schools have charter busses to the nearest big city on breaks.
 
I think I am so surprised that so many people assume I will have a car because every school I have looked at so far does not allow cars freshman year.


I don't get why everyone on here is almost trying to convince me now to go far away from home. I know what I want and that is to be close to home. I never said I was going 6 hours away, I have always said 4 months so I wish everyone would stop using 4. I myself would just feel comfortable being only 3-4 hours away from my family and all.

I also HATE to fly, will I do it if I have to? Absolutely because I love to travel but I do not want to have to get on a plane to visit my family all of the time right now.

I would love to get a job away from the northeast someday, but that someday is maybe when I have friends in a different part of the country or have more money aka when I am older. Right now all I know is in the northeast and that's where I still want to be.

I don't get why people on here were telling me to not take out loans and going on about how at 18 I dont know about taking out loans and such BUT now people are going on about how I should go far away from home. So if I am not capable of deciding how I should pay for my education how am I going to make it being a continent away from my parents?
 
I'm surprised by all the people who seem to consider a car a necessity for college. While I agree it can be challenging to do internships at time, it can usually be done.

I went to school 400 miles from my parents home and only took the bus home once. Other times I was able to find ride shares. It was win/win since I provided gas money and sometimes a perfect stopping point with a free place to stay on their way home. I also went through through two semesters of teaching internships, plus student teaching, all without a car. I even lived off campus one year, walking to a grocery store and taking a bus to a laundry mat.

My parents loaned me money to buy a used car after graduation. I'm 100% sure it was less expensive than maintaining a car and insurance for those four years.

I do not see the car as a necessity either. I have 4 cousins who all went to 4 years of school and none of them had a car for any of their 4 years there. They all went to schools near big cities so public transportation was near and I have already said that a requirement for me is to be near a city and part of the reason is to have public transportation there. The other thing like I said before is most schools do not allow cars freshman year.
 
I think I am so surprised that so many people assume I will have a car because every school I have looked at so far does not allow cars freshman year.


I don't get why everyone on here is almost trying to convince me now to go far away from home. I know what I want and that is to be close to home. I never said I was going 6 hours away, I have always said 4 months so I wish everyone would stop using 4. I myself would just feel comfortable being only 3-4 hours away from my family and all.

I also HATE to fly, will I do it if I have to? Absolutely because I love to travel but I do not want to have to get on a plane to visit my family all of the time right now.

I would love to get a job away from the northeast someday, but that someday is maybe when I have friends in a different part of the country or have more money aka when I am older. Right now all I know is in the northeast and that's where I still want to be.

I don't get why people on here were telling me to not take out loans and going on about how at 18 I dont know about taking out loans and such BUT now people are going on about how I should go far away from home. So if I am not capable of deciding how I should pay for my education how am I going to make it being a continent away from my parents?

My advice to you (not that you want it or need it but at least it's free :lmao:)

1. Go to college close to home. From what you have described so far, you would be much better off sticking close to home. We do have a different definition of close to home. If you really want to avoid inconveniencing your family and you really want your mom to get you when you are sick, I would stick to someplace that is 2 hours or less from home.

2. If you stick close to home, I do not think you will have any need for a car. If you are 4 to 6 hours from home and you intend on going home as frequently as you seem to think you will, I would get a car because it would be more convenient on your family.

3. I would avoid student loans for most undergraduate degrees with very few exceptions. Journalism and history, the two majors you have mentioned, would be be including in undergraduate degrees where I would avoid loans.

Someone made an analogy many pages back about the difference between a loan for your dream car versus a loan for your dream school. It is well worth reading that post again.
 
To expand upon this, school loans are uniquely dangerous because it's easy to get yourself very deeply in the hole before you have the opportunity to realize just how much trouble you're in!

Let me illustrate:

Let's say you lose your head and buy a car that's just too expensive for you. For a couple months you make the payments, and you realize that your checking account is dangerously low. You realize that you're having trouble paying your other bills. Every month you find yourself counting down the days 'til payday, waiting to buy groceries 'til after the 15th, etc. After six months you realize that although you flat-out love this car, you can't afford it. So you sell the car. You lose money in doing so, but you consider it a lesson learned and you buy something better suited to your wallet.

On the other hand, what if instead of a car, you choose a school that's too expensive for your wallet? You borrow X amount for your first year . . . and your second . . . and your third . . . and your fourth. Life is fine and good. Taking out these loans is making your life easier! You're getting exactly what you want. This has no downside! Then you graduate, and your first job isn't paying what you expected (very likely in the field you're considering). Just like the car-purchaser, after a few months you realize that your checking account is dangerously low. You're having trouble paying your other bills. Every month you find yourself counting down the days 'til payday, waiting to buy groceries 'til after the 15th, etc. After six months you realize that although you flat-out loved your college choice, you couldn't afford it. You're stuck. For the next decade or more. Student loans, by their very nature, allow you to get yourself in DEEP before you have the life experience to realize that you're biting off too much.

Have you heard student loans referred to as "starter debt"? They're so-named because people who leave school riddled with loans often find themselves forced into more debt to maintain a moderate lifestyle.

I found the post I was referring to. Please read this, Disneylovin24. It really is a great way to look at student loans.
 














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