A hypothetical situation

[VGCgroupie]

Sharing - just saw on a FB page from a prominent, well known DVC resale broker. Apparently, Disney will not accept transfers from 12/1-12/17. So, that will be a further delay built in to any contracts you might reach agreement on today. I'd say it would be virtually impossible to pass ROFR and close before 12/1, so the earliest one could expect to have points in their account for a contract entered into today would mid to late January.

Yet another reason to wait for anyone in the resale market right now.

Yep this time of year is a terrible time to buy for OP but for anyone really. They shut down to do accounting or something internal like that.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I’ve shifted gears and am looking at AK. Like BVR, I love the vibe. I notice it doesn’t get a lot of love on this board, why is that? Is it all about the monorail and MK? I’ve done yet more soul searching and it does seem to be the consensus..on Reddit, on YouTube , and here on disboard..buy where you love. I’ve read they are getting the refurb..should be beautiful and there are rumors that they will may be connecting the skyliner ..not a dealbreaker but it would be exciting. Our favorite park happens to be the animal kingdom so I’m starting to wonder if the universe has been leading me to AKL . I do realize SSR is the biggest bang for your buck I don’t feel good about owning at the resort of last resort because I don’t ever want to stay there whereas I would love to stay in a Savannah view one bedroom

And it’s first DVC stay we ever had..back when Kidani was first built in 2009 and we LOVED it

AKV is loved by many. It has higher dues, but for many that doesnt matter. It has a great uniqueness to it that you cannot get anywhere else. The animals. And as of right now value rooms and concierge. All of these things make AKV worthwhile for those who love it.

I do not love it but I wouldnt say that buying AKV at the right price is a mistake for anyone. If you like or love it I would for sure watch for contracts from AKV, although I still firmly believe waiting for a bit to sign a contract is the best overall choice for many reasons.

 

[melissa70]

AKV is loved by many. It has higher dues, but for many that doesnt matter. It has a great uniqueness to it that you cannot get anywhere else. The animals. And as of right now value rooms and concierge. All of these things make AKV worthwhile for those who love it.

I do not love it but I wouldnt say that buying AKV at the right price is a mistake for anyone. If you like or love it I would for sure watch for contracts from AKV, although I still firmly believe waiting for a bit to sign a contract is the best overall choice for many reasons.

What is your opinion on what is a right price per point for a larger contract at AKL?

 

[atthebeachclub]

What is your opinion on what is a right price per point for a larger contract at AKL?

Always offer less than asking. Put in offers on anything that fits your needs. There are tons of AKL contracts available. Just offer anything (lower than you think will be accepted) and hope someone bites. You don't need to hear back on an offer before making another. Start with the DVCforLess.com recommended price, and decrease from there per your patience. Large contracts are worth less per point.

If a deal is truly a great deal and truly fits your needs, be prepared to offer full price right away.

 

[cruisehopeful]

What is your opinion on what is a right price per point for a larger contract at AKL?

One way to handle that is to figure out what you want to pay. You can make offers on several contracts at a time and don't negotiate. If someone accepts, proceed. If they don't accept, just move on. Anytime I was presented with a counter, I just said no thanks and I stopped responding.

 

[VGCgroupie]

What is your opinion on what is a right price per point for a larger contract at AKL?

I haven’t followed pricing in awhile. Right now prices are more than they were a few months ago. What I would do is go through the ROFR thread and see what others are paying. I would visit dvcrofr.com under dis data to see what people paid 6-12 months ago. This can give you an idea of where the pricing might go once we get more listings (this will happen soon) I would say somewhere in the 90’s for me if I were buying. Not in the 100’s. But I pride myself on getting the best deals.

 

[PolyRob]

I’m glad you said this about the dvc agents because talking with a few of them now I’ve noticed exactly that. No f’s given!!

What do y’all think about the animal Kingdom?

AKV would be the same thought process as BRV. Only buy it if you want to book with it in the 7-11 month window. Outside of value, club, and December, home resort priority is not really needed. Especially for one-bedrooms. AKV is large and the dues are even higher than BRV.

If you truly want SAP AKV is a bad choice. SSR is the answer.

If you want "SAP+" AKV is still a bad choice. BLT or CCV are the answer.

AKV is only good if you plan on continuously booking it and staying there. Trading out points with dues that are $9.64 and will most likely cross $10 per point in a few weeks is not a SAP product. That's fine if you treat it that way.

DVC has also had direct sales on AKV while being sold out so it's not something I would want to buy resale planning to repeatedly trade out with.

 

[melissa70]

AKV would be the same thought process as BRV. Only buy it if you want to book with it in the 7-11 month window. Outside of value, club, and December, home resort priority is not really needed. Especially for one-bedrooms. AKV is large and the dues are even higher than BRV.

If you truly want SAP AKV is a bad choice. SSR is the answer.

If you want "SAP+" AKV is still a bad choice. BLT or CCV are the answer.

AKV is only good if you plan on continuously booking it and staying there. Trading out points with dues that are $9.64 and will most likely cross $10 per point in a few weeks is not a SAP product. That's fine if you treat it that way.

DVC has also had direct sales on AKV while being sold out so it's not something I would want to buy resale planning to repeatedly trade out with.

I don’t quite understand the logic of this. CCV and BLT are much higher per point and are 1.00 less in fees per point than AKL. So on , say 300 points, you’re talking 300 a year more on MF but thousands more upfront .

 

[PolyRob]

I don’t quite understand the logic of this. CCV and BLT are much higher per point and are 1.00 less in fees per point than AKL. So on , say 300 points, you’re talking 300 a year more on MF but thousands more upfront .

I noted "SAP+" which is a term this board likes to use for an affordable resort that can be swapped. They have more going for them than SSR. Desirable rooms in the 7-11 month window that fill. Prime MK location (BLT is walkable). CCV has a decade longer on the contract. They will also rent higher if need be.

The last part is dues like you mentioned. Dues are the most expensive part of the ownership. AKV dues are high for animal care. If a Skyliner was built like you mentioned owners will be on the hook for that too. If you plan on owning for a decade it will add up.

It doesn't make sense to buy something with high dues and not stay there, especially when it's easy to book with more affordable points that have less dues.

 

[cruisehopeful]

I don’t quite understand the logic of this. CCV and BLT are much higher per point and are 1.00 less in fees per point than AKL. So on , say 300 points, you’re talking 300 a year more on MF but thousands more upfront .

I haven't followed those resorts much, but it might be about how many points it takes to stay there. When I was looking at buying, I noticed lots of resorts had a week in a one bedroom for under 300 points, but all the resorts I wanted to stay at took a lot more points. So, it's a significant part of figuring out cost/value.

 

[airjay75]

I don’t quite understand the logic of this. CCV and BLT are much higher per point and are 1.00 less in fees per point than AKL. So on , say 300 points, you’re talking 300 a year more on MF but thousands more upfront .

Take the current annual dues dues on 1 point. Multiply that by years left on the contract. Then add the upfront $/point you’re paying to purchase. Then divide that total over the remaining years on the contract. That gives a rough approximation of the amount per point you’ll be paying each year. CCV will beat any other resort every day. BLT is solidly second. Of course, this could change. Dues increases are not even across the board every year. If you’re paying more upfront, there is the time value of money to consider. But, right now, those two are the leaders so to speak.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t quite understand the logic of this. CCV and BLT are much higher per point and are 1.00 less in fees per point than AKL. So on , say 300 points, you’re talking 300 a year more on MF but thousands more upfront .

The notion is that those resorts are more popular so getting into them at 7 months is harder than AKV.

So, it’s worth paying more to have a popular resort since any trades out would be to ones that fewer people want and thus easier to get.

Basically, it should be easier to trade from BLT to AKV than from AKV to BLT.

However, if you don’t see yourself wanting to be at BLT or CCV if trades can’t happen but can at AkV, then IMO, AKV is the better choice.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Take the current annual dues dues on 1 point. Multiply that by years left on the contract. Then add the upfront $/point you’re paying to purchase. Then divide that total over the remaining years on the contract. That gives a rough approximation of the amount per point you’ll be paying each year. CCV will beat any other resort every day. BLT is solidly second. Of course, this could change. Dues increases are not even across the board every year. If you’re paying more upfront, there is the time value of money to consider. But, right now, those two are the leaders so to speak.

I really think this doesn't account for the time value of money at all, so it overvalues more expensive longer contracts and undervalues shorter, less expensive contracts. You should do this calculation, but also look at other ways of valuing the contract and consider all valuation viewpoints.

 

[airjay75]

I really think this doesn't account for the time value of money at all, so it overvalues more expensive longer contracts and undervalues shorter, less expensive contracts. You should do this calculation, but also look at other ways of valuing the contract and consider all valuation viewpoints.

You’re absolutely right. But as we often note on these boards the upfront cost is the smallest amount of your purchase. And the difference between BLT/CCV vs. SSR is maybe $40/point? So, it’s just the difference that matters. And, it also depends what you would do with that money if you didn’t purchase. I think it’s a pretty good quick way to demonstrate the economics of each resort, but you can certainly get much more granular.

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

I'm in the camp of buying where you want to stay. You want one of your yearly trips to be during December, the hardest season to book, and you like WL/BR, which is either #1 or #2 in desirability for that time of year.

Have you seen AKJ/AKK decorated for the holidays? It's SPECTACULAR. The food is amazing. The refurbishment will hopefully be great. At the very least, getting the Murphy beds instead of a sleeper sofa will be a massive improvement.

AK has a similar vibe to WL. While BLT and CC are the better values, BLT is about as far removed aesthetically from WL/BR/AK as you can get, and you don't like CC. I think it's a great choice as a starter contract, 160-200 points. Play with it, then add.

OR

Buy direct, dammit, get those points loaded instantly, have MS book Welcome Home at 1B for December of 2026, and start booking your next four trips!

 

[atthebeachclub]

Buy direct, dammit, get those points loaded instantly, have MS book Welcome Home at 1B for December of 2026, and start booking your next four trips!

This is the "buy once, cry once" method I think...works well if you know for sure what you want!

 

[Sandisw]

I'm in the camp of buying where you want to stay. You want one of your yearly trips to be during December, the hardest season to book, and you like WL/BR, which is either #1 or #2 in desirability for that time of year.

Have you seen AKJ/AKK decorated for the holidays? It's SPECTACULAR. The food is amazing. The refurbishment will hopefully be great. At the very least, getting the Murphy beds instead of a sleeper sofa will be a massive improvement.

AK has a similar vibe to WL. While BLT and CC are the better values, BLT is about as far removed aesthetically from WL/BR/AK as you can get, and you don't like CC. I think it's a great choice as a starter contract, 160-200 points. Play with it, then add.

OR

Buy direct, dammit, get those points loaded instantly, have MS book Welcome Home at 1B for December of 2026, and start booking your next four trips!

Just so OP know…MS won’t be able to book the Welcome Home Dec2026 trip until January 2026!

But, it is definitely something that would be a big bonus!

 

[melissa70]

I’m not quite ready to book direct-I can’t wrap my head around the prices right now. Going to start with a nice big resale ..I need a lot of points to get the one bedrooms with views I desire..for me, that is the draw to purchasing DVC..I don’t want value studios. Thinking of a 300 point AKL..all points and more available for 2025, 2026. I know some of you would say it’s too big but I’m 55 ..no time to mess around. I’m getting what I need. Go big or go home

 

[AstroBlasters]

Sharing - just saw on a FB page from a prominent, well known DVC resale broker. Apparently, Disney will not accept transfers from 12/1-12/17. So, that will be a further delay built in to any contracts you might reach agreement on today. I'd say it would be virtually impossible to pass ROFR and close before 12/1, so the earliest one could expect to have points in their account for a contract entered into today would mid to late January.

Yet another reason to wait for anyone in the resale market right now.

This happens every year. Direct points will still load almost instantly though.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I’m not quite ready to book direct-I can’t wrap my head around the prices right now. Going to start with a nice big resale ..I need a lot of points to get the one bedrooms with views I desire..for me, that is the draw to purchasing DVC..I don’t want value studios. Thinking of a 300 point AKL..all points and more available for 2025, 2026. I know some of you would say it’s too big but I’m 55 ..no time to mess around. I’m getting what I need. Go big or go home

The dues eat you alive with no real home resort advantage for 1 bedrooms.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again, look at the thread that shows the most economical to own OVER TIME.