A few disappointments on our BCV stay last week.

[BCVOwner2002]

DS who is 19 slept on the pull out couch and complained the mattress was extremely uncomfortable. I called Housekeeping and they brought up two egg crates and they helped a little bit but DS said he won't sleep on the pull out ever again! We were staying in a 2-BR as well as a studio and there were 9 of us. DS had volunteered to sleep on the pull out sofa so that others can have the beds.

I agree with others that posted "sleeps 4" should sleep them comfortably but going forward, I'll take our aero bed with us.

Annmarie

 

[WDWorld2003]

I agree that all of the beds should be comfortable. The DVC video shows everyone happy in all accomodations

We have a sleeper couch in our den and never have had a complaint and it's used frequently by my sister and bil for several nights in a row as well as others so I know there are comfortable sofa sleepers out there!

When we purchased a DVC resale we thought the quality of the sleeper sofa would be at least as good as the one we have....... they are not!

We have used a studio for a few nights at BWV but usually get a 2 bedroom for most of the nights. My teen daughters don't like to sleep together unless they have to. The one on the sleeper couch survives but is always glad to get home to her own bed. When they're both together on the couch it is very umcomfortable and they don't sleep well. My 2 sisters and a niece used some of our points to stay in a studio and thought the sofa bed was lousy, too. Imagine if they had paid $300.00 for that room!

One hint for the OP is we now pack a couple of Thermarest camping mattresses when we travel by car. (We haven't brought them to WDW as we fly but may consider it - they roll up and pack fairly well). You can put the Thermarest mattress under the mattress pad and it really helps any uncomfortable mattress. Make sure they are the Thermarest brand they are the thicker (at least 2"), larger camp pad. My daughter used one on a 7 night mission trip and was the only one who didn't have a back ache!

Sorry for the length.... Hope you're next trip is better and more comfortable

 

[jarestel]

Did you pay to stay in your friend's home on their sleeper sofa?

No, and you don't pay for my stays at WDW. So is your point that I shouldn't tell my friends ( or anyone else ) how to spend THEIR money? Then we agree.

 

[DisneyMim]

I hear ya. We bought into DVC when it first opened in 1991 and read our contract very carefully knowing that the only way we would get both of our children a bed was to get a 2 bedroom unit. Now this was way back when when there was only OKW. We did try the one bedroom route but the sofa was sooo bad that we never did it again. And I hate to disagree but even these "new" sofas are not comfy to my kids (yes we have spoiled them, no flames please). This was our problem when they started building other DVC resorts, not all had two beds in the second bedroom. We solved this by always staying at OKW in a 2 bedroom. It works for us since my kids think of it as their second home anyway. I do agree that a room SHOULD sleep all the people who are supposed to be in there comfortably, but I realize that what Disney thinks is comfy and what I think is comfy is two different things. A lot of people love having a sofa in their room, but I don't. I would much rather have two beds. On another note, we are going on a cruise and booked two rooms. Comfort is very important to us and again I didn't want my kids sleeping on a sofa-bed. You have to do what will work for your family. We have found that we need comfort and need our sleep or we won't have a fun vacation. I don't blame Disney, or any other resort or cruise for their sofa-beds. I will just do my research and choose very carefully what will work for my family.

 

[bongo59]

Regardless of the sleep 4 issue, studios are only designed to sleep 2 adults comfortably, DVC or otherwise, no matter what one was told. Everyone knows the set ups of the studios prior to buying, if they don't, they deserve not to even have beds. Complaining that a pull out is uncomfortable for an adult size person seems like duh. While the new pull outs may be a step up, they will still be pull outs. Most people in this situation would be better served with a 2 BR or possibly two studios but those are the choices. One makes a decision then you're stuck with the consequences one way or another. Either more points costs or the issues of two adults in a pull out. Once you've made YOUR choice, there's no more reason to complain. Same can be said for a 1 BR and a 2 BR for certain size groups of people.

The costs are the costs. IF one sacrifices on the number of points to do the job right, there will be consequences. DVC is a luxury choice and it takes a certain number of points to do certain things. It's not DVC's responsibility, or even their right, to alter that equation to make it "affordable" for those that have less points.

Thanks for being a bit more eloquent than me...............agree 150%

 

[married@wdw]

I'm shocked at anyone who says the new pull-outs aren't comfortable. I think they're awesome! A HUGE step up.

And I'm also shocked at anyone who thinks the old pull-outs ARE NOT OK for adults but ARE OK for children -- why should children have to sleep on lousy beds if adults can't? I'm lost on that logic. This is about the bed, not the person sleeping on the bed.

All of this said, we stay in a studio with four people all the time -- all adults. We've never had a problem with the space (we've done this at OKW, VWL & BWV -- will be adding SSR in August). Maybe we're just easy going. My best friend and her DH take the pull-out most of the time because we own at DVC, not them, and I have a bad back. I was very comfortable for the one afternoon I slept on the new OKW pull-out in February.

And I do think it is DVC's responsiblity to supply COMFORTABLE bedding in the rooms -- they are after all spending our money! How many members would tell DVC to buy crappy pull-outs that no one can sleep on? That would really lower the value of DVC. I have to assume that's why DVC mad the change to the new pull-outs at SSR and OKW. Those beds have to cost more, but in the end, most members will be much happier with the choice.

 

[married@wdw]

DVC is a luxury choice and it takes a certain number of points to do certain things. It's not DVC's responsibility, or even their right, to alter that equation to make it "affordable" for those that have less points.

I expect luxury accommodations to have beds that are USABLE! Would you expect GF to have beds you couldn't sleep on?

 

[Mary2816]

Married, that is exactly what I thought when I first read that statement! I've looked and can't find anything stating that sleeps 4 really means - sleeps 4 but only 2 comfortably. If, this statement exists, would someone direct me to it, please.

 

[oogsdaughter]

Don't you assume a pull-out is less comfortable than a bed? I do, but I didn't buy to fit 4 in a studio. Could I need to at some point yes, but will I expect it to be as comfortable as 2 in the same room, no. The bed was there (if it was stained and unsanitary) then the argument changes. I like hard beds and I might like a mattress that some would hate, so it is impossible to please everyone from a bedding standpoint. "Comfortable" is a subjective term and therefore you can't please everyone all of the time. The room was furnished as described, nuff said. Again the stain (sanitary) argument is totally different.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

And I'm also shocked at anyone who thinks the old pull-outs ARE NOT OK for adults but ARE OK for children -- why should children have to sleep on lousy beds if adults can't? I'm lost on that logic. This is about the bed, not the person sleeping on the bed.

I think this has a lot to do with the average size/weight of a child compared to the average adult. I've slept on pull-outs that have had a bar dig into my back all night that a child laying on the same pull-out doesn't press down hard enough to push through. It isn't a matter of people thinking lets give the inferior product to the kids. These are kids that have parents that own DVC memberships for the most part we're talking about.

 

[Tagrel]

Don't you assume a pull-out is less comfortable than a bed? I do, but I didn't buy to fit 4 in a studio. Could I need to at some point yes, but will I expect it to be as comfortable as 2 in the same room, no. The bed was there (if it was stained and unsanitary) then the argument changes. I like hard beds and I might like a mattress that some would hate, so it is impossible to please everyone from a bedding standpoint. "Comfortable" is a subjective term and therefore you can't please everyone all of the time. The room was furnished as described, nuff said. Again the stain (sanitary) argument is totally different.

I don't think anyone expects to have more room in a studio, just that the provided bedding is comfortable enough to sleep on. Comfortable pullouts ARE available, and Disney has shown that these are currently being used in refurbishments as well as new DVC resorts.

Are you suggesting that Disney need only buy the shabbiest of products to provide beds/pullouts/etc to 'furnish as described'? I'm sorry, but that is NOT what I expected when purchasing through Disney, nor does it seem to be the typical way Disney does business. (Thank Goodness!)

 

[bongo59]

The last two posts show that expectations are different for different folks. For our family we know for us a pull out is not the answer to anyone over 50lbs or over 11-12 yrs old..........so we get accomadations for our family. DVC contacts all stipulate that a studio fits 4 but it says no where that they will be or should be comfortable. I think the posters two teen children's opinion settled where their opinions are. My posts were a reply to her assertion that this is DVC responsility and not hers. A studio fits four, as DVC said it would, but for some, it wont be as comfortable as one would ASSUME. She assumed and her kids challenged it. She thinks it is disney's job to guarrantee her and hers comfort based upon her assumptions. If you expect great comfort all the time.............STEP UP and make it happen. When you sign the deal we all knew what you got in a studio a 1 bedroom a two bedroom and a GV. DVC is a great thing for most people, but it wont make everyone happy all the time because of expectations. That is what i take from this whole thread. The insinuations made here by some are deplorable. I never meant this become what is has become. If some one took it that way because of my posting style i apoligize henceforth. But, i will not back down from my assertion that a studio of 4 adults is going to be uncomfortable to many families, especially when there are two teens involved.

 

[bongo59]

and no i have never slept on any pull out that i found comfortable anywhere much less at WDW. The newer bedding we have found still is not good. We make do by changing our arrangements to suit our family and guests. And yes we do use air mattresses to our advantage for our kids and teen guests.................

 

[NMW]

The last two posts show that expectations are different for different folks. For our family we know for us a pull ou ti snot the answer to anyone over 50lbs or over 11-12 yrs old..........so we get accomadations for our family. DVC contacts all stipulate that a studio fits 4 but it says no where that they will be or should be comfortable. I think the posters two teen children's opinion settled where their opinions are. My posts were a reply to her assertion that this is DVC responsility and not hers. A studio fits for but for some it wont be as comfortable as one would ASSUME. If you expect great comfort all the time.............STEP UP and make it happen. DVC is a great thing for most people, but it wont make everyone happy all the time because of expectations. That is what i take from this whole thread. The insinuations made here by some are deplorable. I never meant this become what is has. If some one took it that way because of my posting style i apoligize henceforth. But, i will not back down from my assertion that a studio of 4 adults is going to be uncomfortable to many families, especially when there are two teens involved.

I agree that a studio with 4 adults/teenagers in it is not going to be that comfortable. My point was that the sofas beds should be clean (stain-free) and at least fairly comfortable. Even my young children like to be comfortable. Also, I would think a stained mattress could be a health hazard, or at least really, really yucky.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

I can tell you from experience that children under 12 don't think the pull-outs @ BCV are all that great either. My kids were 9 and 11 during out last visit and said the bed felt like they were sleeping on metal bars. And of course, everytime one of them moved it squeaked...and woke the other one up!

 

[oogsdaughter]

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Are you suggesting that Disney need only buy the shabbiest of products to provide beds/pullouts/etc to 'furnish as described'? I'm sorry, but that is NOT what I expected when purchasing through Disney, nor does it seem to be the typical way Disney does business. (Thank Goodness!)

No I'm not expecting that, nor did I say that. I happen to like the temparpedic ($3000 mattress) but don't expect the king size beds at DVC to have those though. Do you? Silly argument isn't it, just like you implication that I want the shabbiest products. The room was furnished the way it was described. The pullout was there with a mattress. I'm all for putting the best affordable choice there. Given the choice of new pullouts or a decrease in dues, I personally would vote for a decrease in dues. My point was that my expectations are to have a pullout there (it was) and if I as an adult had to sleep on it, I would be somewhat uncomfortable.

 

[Pooh26]

I expect luxury accommodations to have beds that are USABLE! Would you expect GF to have beds you couldn't sleep on?

My thoughts exactly! And frankly, I hadn't realized the DVC were "luxury" accomodations! We just got back from a stay at the VWL in a studio and I would not call it "luxury" by any standard. The room was adequate and provided the space and amenities we needed, but it was not luxurious and here's a big reason why: the pull-out bed was awful and we had a 4 and 7-year old sleeping on it! It sagged in the middle and every morning they woke up smooshed together in the center of the bed because they kept rolling downhill from the sides. And no, we didn't complain b/c it wasn't that big of a deal to us or them, but no way could any adult or older child have slept comfortably on that bed.

Our next stay at a DVC property will most definitely be OKW b/c of the beds--we considered it for this trip but felt OKW was located too far out and not themed enough--well, that certainly won't be an issue next time.

We rented our points, kind of as a "trial" since we were considering buying DVC. I was underwhelmed by the experience: for the $ you can get better full accomodations offsite, and if I want to stay onsite, I'd rather get a hotel room that has 2 regular beds. I am not a picky person and I don't expect even regular hotel room beds to be exactly what I want, but the quality of those sleeper sofas--as many here have attested--is simply shameful for a resort that seemingly prides itself on its service and quality. We did not have high expectations for the sofabed, but it was even worse than we thought it would be. And no one should have to get a room that sleeps 8 just so 4 people can have an adequate bed!

You want comfortable beds? Try the Heavenly Beds at the Swan....mmmmmm

 

[Tagrel]

... The pullout was there with a mattress. I'm all for putting the best affordable choice there. Given the choice of new pullouts or a decrease in dues, I personally would vote for a decrease in dues. My point was that my expectations are to have a pullout there (it was) and if I as an adult had to sleep on it, I would be somewhat uncomfortable.

Huh... Sorry, but that still reads to me that ANY pullout should do and fills the requirement. Since your family doesn't require the pullout to be comfortable, then no one should expect such a thing. But lets assume I misunderstand what you are saying, so I'll rephrase the question...

Are you saying that Disney should NOT replace the old style pullouts with the much more comfortable pullouts now at SSR and OKW? I don't see where anyone is asking for more than that...

 

[Man_Of_Leisure]

I am stepping into it a little late; however, I thought I would express my views. I have a family of three, two adults and one seven year old. We plan to use a studio most of the time in order to get the most out of our points. I don't plan on moving into a two bedroom for three people just for the bed but this post has got me thinking if I made the right choice for my family when I made this purchase.

When my family goes on a Disney vacation we want to be comfortable. To us, this means that after a long day at the parks we can look forward to going back to our room, hitting the sack and waking up the next morning feeling refreshed and ready to have some more fun. We usually don't go with the intentions of 'roughing' it.

My DS will be the lucky one who gets the sleeper sofa. Up till now, we have been staying in hotels on and off site and have had two beds available. We have vacationed where a sleeper sofa was used so we are familiar with it. Currently he thinks of sleeping on a sleeper sofa as part of the adventure. But knowing that a sleeper sofa will never be as comfortable as a regular bed I can see that it would be possible as he grows he may eventually become uncomfortable with the sofa bed.

When and if the time comes I will need to make a choice. Either purchase more points for more comfortable accomodations, sell my interest in DVC, or try to make the best out of what I have. I do know that when my son is older and his cousin travels with us to Disney we will have to provide for seperate sleeping arrangements. I don't believe it is fair to ask two teenage kids to share a bed. We may have to bank points and travel every other year for a couple of years in order to continue to provide a magical time for all.

Man Of Leisure

 

[DisneyFan09]

I'm glad this came up because it's a question that I've asked before and never gotten a real solid answer!! I guess this settles my personal debate over renting points next year. I won't!!