A blow for King George !

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
Give us a break. I suspect the reason you're celebrating this decision is not because you're a champion of the Constitution but because of the contempt you hold for President Bush. I feel pretty certain you would gladly burn the Constitution if you thought it would help get President Bush out of the White House.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

Frankly, I couldn't care less about your opinion, but in this particular case, you're dead wrong. I have a great deal of respect for the reasons behind the writing of the constitution and the specific rights spelled out there-in.

But why would I argue with someone who seems to have swallowed the Bush doctrine hook, line, and sinker ? Reason can't penetrate when you are so frightened that you cling to the belief that daddy will protect you, so it's not worth my time to try to explain myself to you.

'Course, that's just "one man's opinion"

 

[Van Helsing]

beattyfamily prove to any of us they're TERRORISTS ?????

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Yes, let freedom ring for those terrorists. Let's free them, let them go back to their country and fight our troops.

I remember quite well a story a couple of months ago about how they let a bunch of prisoners go that said they were lawyers or doctors (of course, not terrorists) and then our troops met them again at the Afghanistan battlefield. Isn't that great? At least this time our troops killed them.

I care more about the safety of our troops then I do about the freedoms of terrorists that were arrested because they were trying to kill our troops.

Oh, for crying out loud

COULD ONE OF YOU FREAKING FEAR-MONGERS PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE ANY OF US HAVE SAID THAT THE "TERRORISTS" SHOULD BE FREED !!!???!!!

Get a freaking grip, people.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Yes, let freedom ring for those terrorists. Let's free them, let them go back to their country and fight our troops.

I remember quite well a story a couple of months ago about how they let a bunch of prisoners go that said they were lawyers or doctors (of course, not terrorists) and then our troops met them again at the Afghanistan battlefield. Isn't that great? At least this time our troops killed them.

I care more about the safety of our troops then I do about the freedoms of terrorists that were arrested because they were trying to kill our troops.

I've not read that one, is there a link?

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
beattyfamily prove to any of us they're TERRORISTS ?????

That's not my job.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Frankly, I couldn't care less about your opinion, but in this particular case, you're dead wrong. I have a great deal of respect for the reasons behind the writing of the constitution and the specific rights spelled out there-in.

But why would I argue with someone who seems to have swallowed the Bush doctrine hook, line, and sinker ? Reason can't penetrate when you are so frightened that you cling to the belief that daddy will protect you, so it's not worth my time to try to explain myself to you.

'Course, that's just "one man's opinion"

It's a feeble attempt at justification so that he feels good about himself and his position. You know, same tune, different lyrics: “If you don’t support w and all he says you must be a terrorist.” Isn’t that the same method that was used by another more malicious “leader” about fifty years back? Hmmmm…

Of course, this too, is "just one man's opinion."

 

[Arabella Figg 2003]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Oh, for crying out loud

COULD ONE OF YOU FREAKING FEAR-MONGERS PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE ANY OF US HAVE SAID THAT THE "TERRORISTS" SHOULD BE FREED !!!???!!!

Get a freaking grip, people.

They're so afraid for their physical well being that they're willing to sell the Founding Fathers' ideals.

If you encounter a suspected terrorist, you detain him -- and then you prove he's a terrorist and lock him up.

If you detain someone on mere suspicion, and never have to prove it, you're opening the door to totalitarianism. Heloo, thought police.

 

[Arabella Figg 2003]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
It's a feeble attempt at justification so that he feels good about himself and his position. You know, same tune, different lyrics: “If you don’t support w and all he says you must be a terrorist.” Isn’t that the same method that was used by another more malicious “leader” about fifty years back? Hmmmm…

Of course, this too, is "just one man's opinion."

Even the Reuplicans on the court -- the Reagan Repubicans -- didn't buy bush's agenda today. thumbs up for Sandra Day O'Connor!

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
They're so afraid for their physical well being that they're willing to sell the Founding Fathers' ideals.

If you encounter a suspected terrorist, you detain him -- and then you prove he's a terrorist and lock him up.

If you detain someone on mere suspicion, and never have to prove it, you're opening the door to totalitarianism. Heloo, thought police.

Well said, Ms. Figg!

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by acepepper
I've not read that one, is there a link?

I saw it on the news but I did a quick search:

story one

story two

Best I could do on short notice.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Oh, for crying out loud

COULD ONE OF YOU FREAKING FEAR-MONGERS PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE ANY OF US HAVE SAID THAT THE "TERRORISTS" SHOULD BE FREED !!!???!!!

Get a freaking grip, people.

must you be so nasty? It's so obvious how much you hate Bush the way you attack anyone who supports him. Do you hate me too because I support him? You're calling me a 'fear-monger"? Can't we debate without personal attacks?

I think you need to "get a freaking grip" You're the one freaking out after all.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
I saw it on the news but I did a quick search:

story one

story two

Best I could do on short notice.

They're both the same story but thanks for the search.

The author seems to be a little confused with his facts. He says that the "four" British men released from GB are still believed to be terrorists. In fact there were five released and they've all gone back to there old lives and have been cleared of any terrorist involvement. The "four" that he seems to be talking about have not yet been released but Tony Blair has asked GWG for them to be released. The journalist who wrote the piece is confused over who has been released and who hasn't.

 

[kadaten]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Circumventing and ignoring are two completely different things.

The President has an obligation to do anything within the law to protect this country. If that means keeping detainees in Afghanistan where they can't be released to fight another day, then that's what he should do.

For the record, I don't like Bush at all, but I couldn't agree with this statement any more than I already do!

As a military wife and family member, I face the reality that it may be my DH next time.....or my cousin who's been to Afghanistan 3 times and is heading to Iraq in a couple of weeks....or my BIL who gets to fly the guys home on occasion.....or any number of our dear freinds in all the services....or any of us here stateside as these evil people are constantly trying to get us on our own turf. I think we should do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING we can to prevent them from harming people here or abroad. I'm not a fear-monger. I am a realist.

Personally, I can't understand how these non-Americans are being given rights under our constitution. I think they should get basic humane treatment, but don't care if they're detained indefinitely if it helps our cause for justice in the world.

 

[MHopkins2]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I'll be interested to see how many of the detainees get slapped down by the court and told to shut up and color.

This made me literally LOL - you do have a way with words, my friend.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
must you be so nasty? It's so obvious how much you hate Bush the way you attack anyone who supports him. Do you hate me too because I support him? You're calling me a 'fear-monger"? Can't we debate without personal attacks?

I think you need to "get a freaking grip" You're the one freaking out after all.

I'll tell you what.....You stop posting things like "I care more about our troops than the rights of terrorists" (implying that I, and others, somehow don't), and I'll stop calling you and those of you posting about how all these people are going to be freed "fear-mongers", is that ok with you ?



"Death before dishonor"....but of course, there's no law that says we can't frag 'em all before they get a chance to surrender....

 

[MJames41]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
This coming from a supporter of the man who wants to amend the Constitution to include the denial of rights for a portion of the U.S. population?

Keep on talking, bud. If anyone holds contempt for the Constitution it would be w, his administration, and, of course, those who support him. yourself included if that description fits.

Just one man's opinion.

You know this is extremely offensive and completely off topic. It is the equivalent of saying that someone who is against the war is unpatriotic, which is also offensive.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by MJames41
You know this is extremely offensive and completely off topic. It is the equivalent of saying that someone who is against the war is unpatriotic, which is also offensive.

ITA! Well said!

I would never lump all John Kerry supports together that way or personally insult them either.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
I'll tell you what.....You stop posting things like "I care more about our troops than the rights of terrorists" (implying that I, and others, somehow don't), and I'll stop calling you and those of you posting about how all these people are going to be freed "fear-mongers", is that ok with you ?

Sorry, no deal cause I do care more about our troops than the rights of terrorists our troops were fighting in Afghanistan that were captured and are now imprisioned; they don't deserve US rights. I don't want them released again to continue to try and kill our troops; that is my opinion on the matter and it has nothing to do with you so it's not my problem that you think I am "implying that you or others somehow don't" care. I never said that.

I have a right to voice my opinion here without being called names or being insult because of it.

 

[wvrevy]

Does "ignorant" count as name calling ? The court cases this morning also dealt with American citizens, not just foreigners who "don't deserve US rights". At least one of the people currently being held at Gitmo was an islamic-American medical student over there helping among the Afghan refugees. I have no idea how he came to be arrested, though I can easily imagine a scenario where he might be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get swept up with some other people who maybe should have been caught. The point is, you have no idea if he was innocent or not....you didn't even know he existed, and he has not been allowed to argue his case in court because of this administration's belief that it could do no wrong.

And sorry again, but "fear mongering" is exactly what it is when you're on here braying about how the horrible courts are going to turn all those nasty terrorists loose to go back and kill our boys. I got news for you, are boys caught 'em once, they can do it again if it's necessary, even assuming that a court would "turn them loose". But I am not willing to sacrifice everything that it means to be an American just because a large portion of our society is too frightened of the boogey-man to stand up for themselves.

Read the Al Gore quote in my signature. It's the modern day version of "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to have given in to that fear.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Does "ignorant" count as name calling?

And sorry again, but "fear mongering" is exactly what it is when you're on here braying about how the horrible courts are going to turn all those nasty terrorists loose to go back and kill our boys.

Whatever, continue to call me names and insult me if it makes you feel better. I guess that's how some people are when they disagree with others.

Originally posted by wvrevy
Read the Al Gore quote in my signature.

No thanks, can't stand the guy. Not interested in anything he has to say.