A bit sadder in CA

[M4travels]

While I expected this I'm still....well, I just don't know what I am.

California's Supreme Court today upheld Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban, but allowed existing same-sex marriages to stand.

We will celebrate our wedding anniversary on July 2 at our favorite place, D'land, but I'm just so sad right now.

M

 

[jenn&nelsonrego]

While I expected this I'm still....well, I just don't know what I am.

California's Supreme Court today upheld Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban, but allowed existing same-sex marriages to stand.

We will celebrate our wedding anniversary on July 2 at our favorite place, D'land, but I'm just so sad right now.

M

I am sorry. So, so sorry.

 

[zeitzeuge]

While I expected this I'm still....well, I just don't know what I am.

California's Supreme Court today upheld Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban, but allowed existing same-sex marriages to stand.

We will celebrate our wedding anniversary on July 2 at our favorite place, D'land, but I'm just so sad right now.

M

I'm so sorry. I just got back from lunch and saw this on CNN. I guess I'm not surprised that this happened, but still it has to hurt. Don't give up hope.

 

[bubie2.5]

This is just another bump on the road. The fight continues.

 

[jenn&nelsonrego]

There are going to be protests across the US from what I have heard. I am trying to make plans to go to the one in Providence tonight, but don't know if I can break my previous plans.

You can text "protest" and your zip code to 27336 to get the location of the protest nearest you.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Ah no. I am so disgusted.

What good does a protest do now? Seriously? Will it make a difference? What's the next step?

How can some people be married but others can't? I don't get it. I simply do not understand.

 

[rpmdfw]

What good does a protest do now? Seriously? Will it make a difference?

It will let people know that we're still here. That we're still not equal under the law. That "We the people" still doesn't mean ALL the people. That we're not going away, and we're not going to shut up about it and we're not going to let them forget about the issue.

The squeaky wheel is the one that gets the grease. It's time to squeak. It's time to be the wheel that sticks and slows progress until it's treated properly.

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be an event planned in Orlando.

 

[Cindy F]

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[dis75ney]

Wow...

That's all I can say right now...

This is a sad day for our country...how can we claim to be a progressive nation when our government denies its own citizens a basic right to happiness? I don't get it...

But this is just a bump in the road. I heard about today's ruling on Facebook and someone commented that that no civil rights case has even been lost. EVER. There may have been bumps in the road, like today, but we will keep fighting. This is only a battle - the war WILL be won! I have no doubts whatsoever about that...

You all have mine and my family's support...

 

[rosiep]

I'm so sorry....it makes me ashamed to be a human being.

 

[Caradana]

Speaking as a straight girl who is a heterosexual minority in the very enlightened, very fun West Village ... I see this as fuel for the fight. It takes setbacks like this to amp up the righteousness of the cause, make people continuously mad enough at the discrimination to eventually demand a federal judicial answer. Sotomayor ... one more vote in the right direction.

 

[Chuck S]

Being from CA originally, and seeing how the culture there embraces diversity, I was a little surprised Prop 8 passed in the first place, even though it was a narrow margin.

The court was really between a rock and a hard place on this decision..do they overturn a Proposition that was passed by a majority (even though a very slim majority) of voters and later deal with all those ramifications, or let the Prop stand, knowing that it will simply be placed on the ballot over and over and over again until it is eventually overturned by majority vote. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision. And we all know it will eventually pass.

 

[DVCajun]

Being from CA originally, and seeing how the culture there embraces diversity, I was a little surprised Prop 8 passed in the first place, even though it was a narrow margin.

The court was really between a rock and a hard place on this decision..do they overturn a Proposition that was passed by a majority (even though a very slim majority) of voters and later deal with all those ramifications, or let the Prop stand, knowing that it will simply be placed on the ballot over and over and over again until it is eventually overturned by majority vote. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision. And we all know it will eventually pass.

(gritting teeth.....)

Since WHEN does civil rights go to the frigging majority of bigots to determine law????? Did we ask the frigging majority whether we could overturn slavery??? (ok, so that went to war, but still, it didn't go to a frigging vote) I am so frustrated .... I am sick and tired of bigots and supposed "christians" making the deciding vote in the laws of our country. It's ironic, isn't it ... our country was founded on the separation of church and state, yet, when push comes to shove, the "right" has fooled the christians in this country into believing that they're entitled to make the laws. What they don't seem able to comprehend is that if THEY are able to impose their religious beliefs upon the majority, then SOMEONE ELSE can someday do the same to them. And they sit in church and lament the Christians in China who don't have the right to purchase a Bible .... the hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Maybe I'll feel better after a glass of wine. Or two.

 

[Chuck S]

(gritting teeth.....)

Since WHEN does civil rights go to the frigging majority of bigots to determine law????? Did we ask the frigging majority whether we could overturn slavery??? (ok, so that went to war, but still, it didn't go to a frigging vote) I am so frustrated .... I am sick and tired of bigots and supposed "christians" making the deciding vote in the laws of our country. It's ironic, isn't it ... our country was founded on the separation of church and state, yet, when push comes to shove, the "right" has fooled the christians in this country into believing that they're entitled to make the laws. What they don't seem able to comprehend is that if THEY are able to impose their religious beliefs upon the majority, then SOMEONE ELSE can someday do the same to them. And they sit in church and lament the Christians in China who don't have the right to purchase a Bible .... the hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Maybe I'll feel better after a glass of wine. Or two.

But historically it is the Federal courts that have usually been the champions of civil rights, not state courts. I didn't say I agreed with their decision...I said I understand why they ruled that way. Because they know it will eventually be overturned anyway.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Rob, maybe I'm just too disheartened right now, but I can't buck it up and agree with you on this one. Another empty protest? Who cares about a bunch of gays that can't marry. Who really cares about that fairly small minority in this country? After all it's the last group that you can legally discriminate against without repercussion. It's the group that can fight and die for their country as long as they lie about who and what they are. It's the group that can contribute to society, hold jobs, and pay taxes but cannot share in the same civil liberties as those people who are allowed to marry and divorce limitless times. I am completely sick of being the "other" the degenerate, the one who deserves to go to hell. Completely.

Nothing planned for Orlando. Nope. Nothing. Apathy rules the day.

Ugh. Ignore me. I'm in an absolutely vile mood.

 

[DVCajun]

But historically it is the Federal courts that have usually been the champions of civil rights, not state courts. I didn't say I agreed with their decision...I said I understand why they ruled that way. Because they know it will eventually be overturned anyway.

I'll drink to that....

 

[DVCajun]

Rob, maybe I'm just too disheartened right now, but I can't buck it up and agree with you on this one. Another empty protest? Who cares about a bunch of gays that can't marry. Who really cares about that fairly small minority in this country? After all it's the last group that you can legally discriminate against without repercussion. It's the group that can fight and die for their country as long as they lie about who and what they are. It's the group that can contribute to society, hold jobs, and pay taxes but cannot share in the same civil liberties as those people who are allowed to marry and divorce limitless times. I am completely sick of being the "other" the degenerate, the one who deserves to go to hell. Completely.

Nothing planned for Orlando. Nope. Nothing. Apathy rules the day.

Ugh. Ignore me. I'm in an absolutely vile mood.

I feel your pain, sister.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Thank you. I apologize for the rant. I don't apologize for my "feelings" but I am sorry for subjecting you all to my vent.

 

[rpmdfw]

Thank you. I apologize for the rant. I don't apologize for my "feelings" but I am sorry for subjecting you all to my vent.

Hey, if you can't vent to us, who can you vent to? Don't sweat it.

And yeah, sometimes another protest seems like it doesn't accomplish anything. But each time we raise awareness and visibility, someone who hadn't thought about it from our point of view does so. Every time we stand up and say "We're here, we're human beings, we deserve equality" we send a message to glbt youth that they're not alone, and they're okay just the way they are. And finally, every time we engage people in conversation about glbt rights, we show them that the face of our community is made up of people they know. It makes it less frightening, it makes it less scary, it makes it less likely to continue.

Harvey Milk was right. We have to let them see us, get to know us, and then they can't deny us our rights.

So, we have setbacks, and it doesn't seem like what we're doing has any affect, but slowly; bit by bit we're slowly moving mountains. Don't get discouraged. Think of all we've accomplished so far. When Scott and I met six years ago it wasn't possible to have a Big Fat Gay Disney Wedding, it was still criminal for us to participate in "bedroom activities" in many states in our country, and not one single state in the United States allowed gays and lesbians to marry. Now it's FIVE!

Baby steps, but we've come a long way, baby!

Disney asks "What will you celebrate today?" Well, I'll celebrate US!

 

[Cindy F]

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