$99 So Cal hopper question

These tickets are sold every summer, although this year, for the first time, they are being sold at Disneyland instead of just local supermarkets.

The ticket rules, state, clearly:

Summer Fun Pass is a 3-Day Park Hopper® Ticket valid for Southern California residents within ZIP codes 90000-93599 and Northern Baja California residents within ZIP codes 21000-22999. Proof of residency required for admission.

It does not say "proof of residency required for purchase."

Hopefully Cast Members will be cleared up on the rules, because they are giving out false information.

We'll have to wait to see, but maybe this year is different. Lots of vacation places are putting out incentives to get people to travel, so I don't think it's far fetched that DL would offer something to Southern California residents and their families.
 
We'll have to wait to see, but maybe this year is different. Lots of vacation places are putting out incentives to get people to travel, so I don't think it's far fetched that DL would offer something to Southern California residents and their families.

No, it's not different, because those are the terms and conditions from this year's ticket, which you can view here:

http://www.disneylandnews.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=408

Disneyland has two relevant markets, locals and non-locals.

Locals are enticed with cheap tickets, non-locals are enticed with hotel deals (the 3-for-5 deal).
 
It would be nice if Disney would extend their specials to all people that live in Ca. not just to only So Ca residents.
 
^^^Not only extend their specials to all California residents, how about throwing a little love to Arizona?
 

To the best of my knowledge, they are sold at various local markets throughout So. Ca. every year.
 
It would be nice if Disney would extend their specials to all people that live in Ca. not just to only So Ca residents.

I agree...why not?! They don't distinguish in FL do they for special deals at WDW!!
 
I agree...why not?! They don't distinguish in FL do they for special deals at WDW!!

Florida has 18M residents. SoCal alone has over 23M residents.

It would be a disaster to extend SoCal deals past just SoCal.

In the most laymen terms I can think of, here is why it is SoCal-only for economic reasons (and beyond this, there are marketing reasons):

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The above is a simple supply and demand graph. The red line is supply, the blue line is demand and the dot is the optimal price to sell the good. That is how Disneyland will set their prices.

Now, when you take into consideration promotion pricing, the demand goes up, profit goes down, but the maximum supply remains constant.

Assume that everybody is charged the same price. In that case, profit equals x.

So when Disney reduces prices for a certain amount of people, it needs to do so cautiously in order to keep an optimal price. The swing to the left on the blue line made by SoCal residents needs to be made up for by a swing to the right on the blue line for non-SoCal residents. Otherwise, optimal price is not reached, and that's simply not good. So assume profit from SoCal is now "y" and profit from non-SoCal is now "z." Disney still wants profit x, and they'll still make it. The difference between y and z will equal x.

Baja California (which qualifies for discount tickets but not the payment plan) is added in because adding it is of negligible difference to the supply curve as a whole (same reason why select Southern Georgia counties qualify for Florida Resident at WDW). Adding NorCal is not.

Disney knows what they are doing. They would destroy themselves if they offered this to everybody in California, because demand would never be able to keep up with supply.

Furthermore, they need to offer a marketing incentive to get locals, who can come often, to the park - the incentive is discount tickets that have a delayed expiration date. Out-of-town guests benefit from hotel discounts this summer.
 
I understand the economics of supply and demand but that suggests there really is a limited supply but since DL only hits max capacity a couple of times a year, from what I understand, this really isn't the case. If DL offered the discounts to more people, that ultimately means more people in the parks and more people in the parks means more souvenirs, more food, more hotel stays, etc. Yes, profit is down on tickets but ultimately you use your lowered ticket prices to draw larger crowds and make your money elsewhere. There are some major companies out there who get this strategy and who are doing well even in this economy.

I have a season pass so this really doesn't matter for me but I have a lot of friends who just like to do 2-3 day trips and this 5 for the price of 3 is wasted on them. We live 6 hours from Disney so it's not that big of a deal to go for a short trip.

Besides, it seems like what Disney is getting is a lot of people who don't mind pushing the rules (or who get mixed understanding of the rules from Disney) using these passes when they shouldn't be. It just seems like there should be a better way to do this.

Just my thoughts.......
 
I understand the economics of supply and demand but that suggests there really is a limited supply but since DL only hits max capacity a couple of times a year, from what I understand, this really isn't the case. If DL offered the discounts to more people, that ultimately means more people in the parks and more people in the parks means more souvenirs, more food, more hotel stays, etc. Yes, profit is down on tickets but ultimately you use your lowered ticket prices to draw larger crowds and make your money elsewhere. There are some major companies out there who get this strategy and who are doing well even in this economy.

I have a season pass so this really doesn't matter for me but I have a lot of friends who just like to do 2-3 day trips and this 5 for the price of 3 is wasted on them. We live 6 hours from Disney so it's not that big of a deal to go for a short trip.

Besides, it seems like what Disney is getting is a lot of people who don't mind pushing the rules (or who get mixed understanding of the rules from Disney) using these passes when they shouldn't be. It just seems like there should be a better way to do this.

Just my thoughts.......

Disney does not want to reach maximum capacity. That would be a disaster and a huge strain on operations. The parks are crowded enough as is.

Disney need to draw the line somewhere. That line is drawn for SoCal and BajaCal residents. And thank god Disney draws that line, because the parks are crowded enough as is during the summer. They don't want to encourage all of California to come. The parking lots on Sundays lately? A mess! This past Sunday the garage closed by 10AM!

I agree Disney need stricter enforcement of the SoCal deals, and I think we will see that happening this summer. I still don't get why Disneyland doesn't do WDW's finger length scanning.
 
Besides, it seems like what Disney is getting is a lot of people who don't mind pushing the rules (or who get mixed understanding of the rules from Disney) using these passes when they shouldn't be. It just seems like there should be a better way to do this.

Disney is one of the most powerful businesses in the world. If they truly didn't want guests to buy the So. Cal 2-fer passes for their family and friends, they would have a firm policy and enforce it.

It would just take one ticket season of firm confirmation of the 'must be a southern california resident' and people would no longer buy the tickets for others.

While the tickets do say "For Southern California Residents" on the back, it also allows for residents to buy tickets for others who, presumably, if they are from So. Cal. they could buy their own.

I think Disney allows a grey area because it gets friends and family into the park who would otherwise not come. A So. Cal resident bringing 3 of their friends from out of town brings in more money than those 4 people heading to Sea World instead.

If I contact a business and ask if I can do X, then I will do X without guilt.

If Disney were to make a seperate gate for So. Cal. resident entry and checked each ID, they would have control over who used the tickets and could stop others using it if they chose to.
 
If I contact a business and ask if I can do X, then I will do X without guilt.

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I completely agree with you that if you are told it is fine, it should be fine and I would have used them. I'd be horified though if I was trying to use it and got questioned (just my personality)!

The website about the $99 deal says "Proof of residency required for admission" I wouldn't have even thought to try to use this ticket myself if it weren't for this post. Now, I'm inclined to advise my friends to go for it (they have family in SD to buy the tickets for them). I think having an e-mailed confirmation would make me comfortable with it. I guess ultimately they are making it so us Northern CA people CAN use the deal we just have to jump through a couple of hoops to make it happen!
 
I still find it easier to not even attempt to use any of these 2 for offers. If a So. Ca. purchased it for me, still how am I going to prove that? No, for me, I will just have to continue on with what offers are available for me, what with being a resident of Nor. Ca.
 
Hi, I live in AZ but have a friend in So Cal who might want to come with us to Disneyland. Can my friend purchase $99 So Cal Park Hoppers for our entire party (total of 3 adults, 1 kid) and just show her ID at the gate?

Thanks.
 
Hi, I live in AZ but have a friend in So Cal who might want to come with us to Disneyland. Can my friend purchase $99 So Cal Park Hoppers for our entire party (total of 3 adults, 1 kid) and just show her ID at the gate?

Thanks.

Technically, no, that is against the rules.

In reality, you will probably get away with it unless Disneyland starts stricter ID enforcement.
 
No, it's not different, because those are the terms and conditions from this year's ticket, which you can view here:

http://www.disneylandnews.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=408

Disneyland has two relevant markets, locals and non-locals.

Locals are enticed with cheap tickets, non-locals are enticed with hotel deals (the 3-for-5 deal).

The info in the above link looks pretty clear to me.

Fwiw, if i read (on these boards) that non-locals are (significantly) taking advantage of this (& that disney is choosing not to enforce their rules)....then i will avoid DLR completely this Summer. The disboards is the tip of the iceberg....there are lots of internet sites out there...& some are in the buying & selling business.

Sounds like a crowded summer with alot of folks with cheap tickets. No thanks, I'll visit in Sept. or Oct.
 
Well, I emailed Disneyland about this issue. I will go with what my reply is, and if it's okayed, I'll take a copy of the email with me. If not, I'll buy the 3 for 5 tickets, and we'll be a little more budget with regard to food and/or souvenirs on the trip.
 
I still find it easier to not even attempt to use any of these 2 for offers. If a So. Ca. purchased it for me, still how am I going to prove that? No, for me, I will just have to continue on with what offers are available for me, what with being a resident of Nor. Ca.

When I called and asked this question, she said "it is assumed you showed proper ID when you purchased the ticket at fill in the blank" I agree with what an above poster said. If I call and ask about X and they say that it is ok to do X then I will without guilt. Maybe I will call again and make it best 2 out of 3. Sick of feeling like I am cheating, I am not I am looking for the correct answer and so far Disney says it is OK and only the boards say it is not. confusing :confused3
 
These So Cal resident tickets have been sold for years now and I have NEVER heard of anyone being asked for id at the turnstyles. I have called many times and always received the same answer, "you only show id when you purchase them".

I don't see it as a risk at all.

I have and it IS a risk. Technically the purchaser must show ID at point of purchase and as well as the gate on the first day of use. Now, the purchaser can buy more then one (up to six or right, I don't recall offhand) so you can buy them for friends and family... but again, the Main Entrance does reserve the right to ask for a SoCal ID on the first visit (one ID clears everyone else in the party).
 












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