Wow, sorry you had such an experience!
I think we all have to sit back and reflect for a moment. Why do you think the government is intruding so much? They are starting to cover all the bases when it has to do with our kids. From puberty (and Family Life), to morals, to manners, to vaccines, onto going to the doctor or dentist... We ask for it more or less. We want them to do something about teen pregnancies, STDs, criminals, drugs, etc. What do we expect them to do? Their only option is to put it in the schools. This is where they can reach the masses.
Now I for one do not agree with most of it. I think the government is a bit too much into our business and how we deal with our everyday lives in terms of protecting ourselves and our families. But we keep turning to them for solutions...
We have turned into a "It's not
MY fault" society and the government is trying to protect their butts much the same way as companies do with all of their (mostly) useless warning lables. In a perfect world, parents would take care of their own business. It is just really hard for the ones that DO take care of their families to deal with being put in with the masses that don't.
yes, it is really hard for the ones that do take care of their families to deal with being put in with the masses that don't. And it affects my sensibilities/etc. because I feel like we're slowly morphing into a communist state. Freedom? What stinkin' freedom...
But do you like your hair. Love highlights.
I just have to butt in here. I don't have any strong feeling either way but that is because this is really the first time I am hearing about most of this. I knew that the vaccine existed but I didn't know it was being pushed on some areas. I have taken my DD15 to the doctors so many times in the last year that she meets the deductible with in the first month of the year and this has never, ever been brought up to us. I will have to ask her doctor when we go back in. I do know that having a child in this range and talking to friends of mine with kids in the same age group that as well as we raise our children, there are those that will doing things that their parents have no clue about. We have raise our kids in a Christian home and have talk to them about abstinence and all that goes along with living a live pleasing to God. My kids know where we stand but I hear from them all the time about things that I had no knowledge of at their age. They just grow up so fast. Not to say that our kids do these things but they know kids their age that do. And they happen on school buses, in bathrooms during school hours, at sporting events. If their is a willing child then they will find a way. Not right and certainly, they think they are invincible at this age but they will soon find out that that is not the case. I will have to find out much more about this before I can make a decision. I have enjoyed the discussion on this because, as I said I am in the dark on this vaccine for the most part. Hmmm, I guess, I had more to say than I thought.
Yes, actually this time I do like my hair! We've been trying to repair what a previous hairdresser did to my hair, slowly over 6wks periods, and it's finally looking like I want to. (ie: more natural instead of like some bimbo bleach blonde LOL)
I know what you're saying about if there is a will, there is a way. And I realize that for the MOST PART that is true... but considering how I was raised, I know that this is not always the truth. If you have a parent that is all up in your business and never allows for ANY time for that to happen, then it can't. I had a parent like that, and it's why I was "the way I was" until after I was an adult (ie: 19yr old virgin). My children don't ride school buses, there is NO WAY this could happen in the bathrooms here with 4min between classes and so rushed my daughter can't even go to the bathroom between classes (just had a litlte "discussion" about this today with one of her teachers who gives demerits and points off conduct if they EVER have to go to the bathroom for any reason during class), we are there supervising them at sporting events, etc. Now granted my mom might have taken it a little too far at times once I was older (16+) but her method worked...

So I'm proof that willing child does not mean it can happen, not if you have a mom like I had!
Ruby survived her track meet tonight and not only that, she was the only one from our school that won her 300 hurdles heat! (apparently they had 4 races in 300 hurdles, one girl from our school vs 5 other girls from 5 other schools in each race. The one Ruby did, she won! It's so awesome, her first track meet and she gets 1st place... and here I was just hoping she wouldn't injure herself. LOL
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Congratulations Ruby - way to go!!!!!!
Thanks! I'll show her all the congrats posts.
I must say...
Reading your remarks here ring true with how my spouse and I feel and behave. ALthough our children are younger (5 and 3) I am intensely interested in the future... and how to be a better parent. Rather then reply piecemeal and edit out the remarks I found endearing or agreeable I left almost the whole reply intact above so I would NOT be quoting out of context. I imagine more than a few folks here will be unable to reread the entire thread... and a few may not want to click back to see the original posting.... and BESIDES... so much of what you had to say was so GOOD that I thought it would be tolerable to repost the entire thing.
At any rate... who knows what the future holds. I might one day wake up and discover through parently ignorance and inattention I or my spouse may commit a parenting error of significant magnitude. I won't say what I fear most ... but I will say I am trying be very level best to be a great Dad to my little girls and husband to my spouse. I do believe my kids are good ones and doing their level best to be kids <chuckles>.... but decent ones. They're not psychotic or troublesome... just vexing and stubborn at times... which I can deal with easily. And the same or similar is true of my best friend ... Alicia ... in that I believe she is trying her level best to be a great spouse for me. Including her stubborn moments.... <
silent staring moment - with a carefully concealed chuckling - as I love her just as much (if not more) when shes' being stbborn or a pain>.
At any rate.... I gotta go now. The preschool class had an outing for a theatrical production this morning... I've gotta run my big girl in as Mom is with the little one at the play. I'm meeting them in a few minutes and we're gonna hang with Mom for the day (the pre-schooler has no school every friday)... and I have packed a picnic lunch for all of us. Maybe we can have a "family moment" later this afternoon at a park with the 3 of us. Geography prevents the 4 of us from gathering while accompanying Mom at work today.
TTFN...
BIP... I really loved what you had to say ....
Sincerely - thank you for sharing....
TT again!
Thanks CaptainCrash. I'm glad my post didn't offend and that some feel where I'm coming from, so to speak.
iam trying to figure out our "darling" bip....was she "pip" in great
expectations....

ok!, i really like her spirit!, no doubt
where you stand with her!
LOL
so true... and you aren't the first to say that. No doubt where I stand... I am honest in my feelings and not afraid to tell anyone how I feel. You would always know where you stand with me, because I don't play around/play games/etc.
Did anyone who watched AI last night notice that Ryan Seacrest cut off Quincy Jones while he was speaking. What was up with that?

Anyone suprised by the results? I thought Antonella should've been voted off. Didn't think she sang good at all.
Yes,I noticed that and I thought it was quite rude! I'm not sure if that was Ryan's fault or the producer's or whatever, but it was rude as all get out.
I agree, Antonella needs to go.
Hi... I just got caught up in reading the posts and I probably shouldn't post right now, because to be honest, I'm a little upset and bewildered. Yes I did read on the other board that they were having a picnic. Yes I did sign up on the other board and only have one post, as they have a rule about lurkers. I really feel like you are a bunch of fun people, and I was trying to do my bit to fit in by offering to look into this for a gathering. I'm sorry if you thought I was trying to push everyone onto meeting the other board. That wasn't my intent. It seems alot of you know each other from previous cruises, and this was my attempt to belonging. After reading all the responses to my offer to investigate, I don't really feel like one of the wenches on this cruise.
I feel bad and a little guilty typing this right now, but I do want to be apart of this group, and enjoy a fantastic cruise with all of you. Please let me know if you want me to look into this further as an event for the DIS Board pirates on the Saturday or Friday before the cruise on an evening other than the other board.
Smiles everyone
Oh no!
I'm so sorry for my part in making you feel this way. I really was sincerely confused when Lisa posted that (because I guess I just assumed you would ofcourse be talking about us as our own group) but THEN when she posted again... I misunderstood and thought she was saying that you were involved in their group doing this same thing, and then I spoke out of turn... so to speak... because I'd misunderstood that. (me and my biiiggg mouth!)
I really hate that you feel this way now and I hope I and everyone can make you feel more welcome and part of us in the future. Please forgive me.
I'm just afraid I'll be standing there on embarkation day in my neon green DIS repo T-**** and somebody will start throwing things at me.
Nah, they'll be throwing things at the one in the RED shirt. Oh wait- if you're in DIS green... maybe you should hang out near my family, we'll protect one another.
