8/17/08 Captain Jack's Repossession Repo Cruise to PC thru TPC Part 13

[eeyorelvr10]

Ok all - just have to say this. Late last night CBS ran a story on a contact lens cleaner recall. Apparently, the CDC (Atlanta??) has issued a recall due to the fact that some people have been linked to an eye disease. I apologize for not having the name handy but apprently the product in questions is:

AMO Brand Complete Moisture Plus Multi Purpose Solution. It is all type of Complete Moisture Plus The label is a blue label, white bottle (of course) with a yellow scribble design looks like an @ sign with eyelashes.

Apparently, there has been a link to this disease when used during swimming, hot tubbing or showering. Signs are still premature and they stressed that it is an early link but better be safe than sorry.

Oh here it is AMO stands for Advanced Medical Optics, Inc. They issued this warning late on Friday night and the newslink said that the company is issuing a voluntary recall but when I went today to Rite-Aid the bottles were still on the shelf. The news is stating that one should throw out any solution, lenses and lens case that came in contact with this solution. More details to follow

I followed this up by going to CBS dot com and looking up the health news and sure enough there was the link. I think that they let this go this weekend but I'm sure we may be hearing about it soon. In the meantime, check your cabinets, as I did, only to discover that I indeed had the product in question. I have since thrown everything out and went and bought all new lens cases, solution and tear drops. I went with Opti-Free.

Good Luck and hope this helps some others out there.

 

[eeyorelvr10]

Ok guys - here's the story as copied from CBS online:

ATLANTA, May. 26, 2007
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(AP) Government officials are warning people to throw away a contact lens solution after an investigation linked it to a rare eye infection.

The warning concerns AMO Complete Moisture Plus Multi-Purpose Solution, used for cleaning and storing soft contact lenses, said a spokeswoman for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The solution seems to be a factor cases of Acanthamoeba keratitis, a painful eye infection that can lead to permanent vision loss or blindness.

The CDC and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration are investigating 138 confirmed cases.

The solution is made by Advanced Medical Optics Inc., a publicly traded company based in Santa Ana, Calif. The company issued a statement Friday night saying it was "immediately and voluntarily recalling" the solution.

"There is no evidence to suggest that today's voluntary recall is related to a product contamination issue and this does not impact any of AMO's other contact lens care products," the statement said.

The confirmed infections have been reported since January 2005, the company said.

CDC officials said people should discard the solution, throw out their current contact lenses and toss the lens storage case. All of them may harbor the infecting amoeba, said Michael Beach, team leader in the CDC's division of parasitic diseases.

An estimated 85 percent of U.S. cases of Acanthamoeba keratitis occur in contact lens users, but it's extremely unusual _ the estimated prevalence is one to two cases per 1 million contact lens wearers. Contact lens wearers who practice proper lens care and people who don't wear contact lenses can still develop the infection.

It's hard to diagnose and treat _ and some of the drugs used to fight the infection are available only overseas or from compounding pharmacies.

Doctors first suspected a problem in 2004, when a University of Illinois-Chicago ophthalmologist, Dr. Elmer Tu, noticed more than a dozen cases of the infection. Normally, he might see only one or two in a year, Tu said.

UIC doctors saw 35 patients with the condition from May 2003 through September 2006. About 55 percent used the Advanced Medical Optics product exclusively, Tu said.

UIC investigators think the infection is not originating in the manufacturing process, but that the cleaning solution is not protecting people from the infection, which they get in their eyes through showering or swimming, Tu said.

The amoeba that causes the infection is naturally present in soil and water. Wearing contact lenses while swimming or in the hot tub appears to increase the risk of infection.

The cases were reported to the Illinois state health department, which notified the CDC. A CDC investigation in about 35 states led to Friday's announcement.

The solution is not marketed to protect against the amoeba. But "it's supposed to be free of any type of microorganisms. It's not supposed to result in anyone getting an infection," said Julie Zawisza, an FDA spokeswoman.

The FDA will take information from the CDC investigation and try to discern what about the solution _ or how people were using it _ could be responsible for the infection cases, she added.

Health officials have interviewed 46 patients so far. Of those, 36 wore contact lenses and used some form of solution, and 21 used the Advanced Medical Optics solution within a month of onset of symptoms, Beach said. It was a strong enough association to cause health officials to issue Friday's warning, Beach said.

Dozens of cases of this rare condition can be significant, eye experts said.

"It's a large number if it's happening to you. It's a large number if there is a little pocket of it. It's not a large number if you consider there are 35 million contact lens wearers in the United States," said Dr. William Ehlers, a University of Connecticut Health Center ophthalmologist.

The company said in it statement that consumers who believe they have the recalled solution should call (888) 899-9183. It is contacting retailers, customers and distributors on return and replacement instructions, it said.

The investigation is the second into eye infections associated with contact lens solution undertaken by the CDC and FDA in the past year. In 2006, a Bausch & Lomb multipurpose contact lens solution was linked to a fungal eye infection called Fusarium.

This week, Advanced Medical Optics disclosed it was considering making a bid to buy Bausch & Lomb, its eye-care products rival.

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Associated Press writer Andrew Bridges contributed to this report from Washington.

 

[FINCANTIERI]

Okay ...here are some transformation pictures .....the quailty is not that great ...had the camera set wrong


here is the beginning ...not much to work with but will give it a go this is just with the brown contacts

Now comes the hair dye ..

then some tan makeup

the the infamous eye liner and a little more make up

awww the new wig .....almost finished ....LOL

and here we are outside in the backyard before we leave ...that be my 2nd mate Mr. Womble ...since of course my real First mate couldnt make it (mr Gibbs,,,,Brack ...LOL )

Capt Jack Sparrow meets the Silver Surfer ..

Well thats it for now ...almost time to start getting ready again for another long day at the theater ...will have more pictures at the end of the weekend ...


Now go get your tickets and see me movie , and of you have already seen it ,,go again ....LOL

WOW. Did I mention WOW. DD super impressed.

 

[brack]

Ok all - just have to say this. Late last night CBS ran a story on a contact lens cleaner recall. Apparently, the CDC (Atlanta??) has issued a recall due to the fact that some people have been linked to an eye disease. I apologize for not having the name handy but apprently the product in questions is:

AMO Brand Complete Moisture Plus Multi Purpose Solution.

This is a cure for all contact lens diseases and problems ........








LASIK SURGERY!

 

[MrsScooby]

This is a cure for all contact lens diseases and problems ........

LASIK SURGERY!

Yup, After I scratched my eyeball taking out a contac lens, I signed up for lasik

 

[micmse2003]

Presently raining here in the grey UK .

It's a Bank Holiday weekend so I suppose it would be raining - I've got 4 days off

I believe however, that one of them will be used going to Ikea

David

You are gonig to be in BIG trouble with Ikea and Helen.

ing to say Happy Birthday

I have not seen you on Friday night chats!!! How is DD doing??

Mark my word on this ....doesnt matter what Jerry B says ...Pirates will be back .....Jerry B also said that Teague (Kieth Richards ) wasnt his father , but when you see the movie ...well you know ....So in true Disney fashion it will be back with CJS ..as far as th others , well lets just wait and see ...Like I said nothing about a new Pirates till 09 or 10 or 11 for that matter , but in true disney form Pirates will be back ...

I sooooo agreee Todd. I know CJS will be back!!! I just laughed my head off when in the movie "Take what you want and give nothing back!!!" All I could think of was the Disers.

Just for some info for you. The standee of Silver Surfer cost $5ooo to send out to all the theaters besides the $5000 for the Simpson Standee with the entire family sitting on a couch. Amazing how much the studios spend!!!

Hi Everyone!!!

I had such a great time in chat last night. You guys are awesome!

Well I'm off for my night of fun in Atlantic City.

Talk to you all tomorrow!

MR have a great time. I did 7 more screens of Pirates today. that makes a total of 23 screens of Pirates but I only had time to see it once.

We sent DD6 to kindergarten when she was 4 (BD 9/6). She however was bigger than most of the kids already. She is very social. She is not at the top of her class academically but has progressed through 1st grade without any problems of being left behind. We worried that if we red-shirted her that #1 she would be awkwardly large for her class and that she would be board with preschool. She tends to be an overachiever so we went for it. She will probably blame us later in life but I think it was the right decision.

I let both of my children go to kindergarten when they were 4 years old. Academically they were over achievers so they both needed to go. I could not give them the challenges they both deserved. It was a little hard on my son as he was not a very tall child. He grew four inches while in college!!!! Looking back, I know I made the right choice!!

Anyone else had the bad luck to have to work Monday? They really screwed us over this year. Oh well, double time and a half

I am having a picnic at my house. I think double time and a half would be worth giving up Monday. Just make sure you are not working Labor Day when I am down in Florida.

 

[Verandah Man]

According to this map, the Disney Magic is sailing "IN" the middle of Spain right now(27-May 0200)..............a little goof up I'd say................

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Morning
Check your cable listing for A&E. They are doing a Biography now on Johnny Depp. I looks like it is 2 hours. Hope you can catch it.............
I'm going back into bed

Oh man, why'd I have to miss that!

No he didn't and that is what I too am holding on to.

What he did say was that the storylines had all been tied up and all the characters had been taken to their end for these stories.

If they do any more it could be based on CJS and other new characters because I don't think that they other actors want to continue. (IMHO only.)

IMHO CJS hasn't been "taken to their end" -maybe for this story but many more stories could come along. Some of the others might be all tied up and taken to their end (and then some.... can't say more for those that haven't seen it yet!) but not CJS!

Mark my word on this ....doesnt matter what Jerry B says ...Pirates will be back .....Jerry B also said that Teague (Kieth Richards ) wasnt his father , but when you see the movie ...well you know ....So in true Disney fashion it will be back with CJS ..as far as th others , well lets just wait and see ...Like I said nothing about a new Pirates till 09 or 10 or 11 for that matter , but in true disney form Pirates will be back ...

I just hope you are right. hope hope hope (and pixie dust)

#2) Since our younger daughter was born close to the cutoff date for entry into K-school (we induced so we would have the option!).... my spouse has the opinion that the younger one should be put into school the 1st year she can. IE... this will make her among the YOUNGEST kids in her class. She already will be among the most petite - even though she seems to be BIGGER than her older sibling at the same age. AND, this is in spite of the opinion that she currently is trailing her older sibling socially at the same age. We have just recently obtained an academic study/discussion citing MANY considerations and variables on "academic redshirting" (or holding back a student for academic considerations).... and the article was actually quite NEUTRAL in its' findings. Not what I expected. So... if we hold her she will be among the more "experienced" and "prepared" girls in her cohort. She could be among the first able to drive, physically/emotionally develope (sports?), and possibly exhibit stronger leadership qualities. Then - the ADVANTAGES of putting her in EARLY are that she would be the among the youngest - and hence the advantage becomes being among the LAST to Drive, potentially among the LAST to develope physically/emotionally - hence among the last to DATE?; and she would have to push a little more to be a young leader among her cohort. Any opinions other than that her Dad is agonizing like Doctor Frankstein over the weather!?

I agree with what some other said about this. It really depends on the child and only you would know what you think is best for her. It's easy to second guess yourself but it's good that you're thinking about it HARD. You do need to think about it and weigh the pros and cons that you think she'd have for her personality/etc. and decide which way would be better.

I have had both extremes with my kids. My first 2 turned the next age up one early in the school year and one midway thru- therefore they started K when they were almost 6 and 1st grade when they were almost 7 (and so on). I had no choice in the matter (ie: I couldn't start them early- they had to be 5 before k and 6 before starting 1st grade) but they have excelled in many ways and a part of that might be that they are slightly older when starting those grades. However I have found practically half (if not more than that) of the kids are all the same way.. MOST of them have a birthday early on in the year or midway thru and they all had to wait to start school just as my older two did.
Now with my youngest- her birthday wasn't "right" before school started- like a day before or something like that- but close enough. Her birthday is June 16th and at that time school was starting the first week in August here- so she was only "of age" to start K, 1st grade about 6wks before school started. (school is starting later nowadays- last year it was mid august and next year it's Aug 27th! so that changes too apparently).

Anyway, I had to weigh the pros and cons. She was also a small child- and although she's grown a lot in the past 2yrs she's still on the smaller side. However that's really a non-issue because as I have seen with my older two AND with her- there is such a huge range of sizes of children the same age. I have seen kids closer to her age (on the young side for that grade) that you wouldn't believe they were in the same grade because they are SO tall- and likewise I have seen children who were almost a year older than her and were actually smaller than her! It's sometimes comical to watch like their plays and/or award ceremonies- such a wide range of height and it's hard to believe they are all in the same grade. So age really doesn't always help keep them the same "height" as others- it still varies widely regardless.
However, she was the 3rd child... and just as the books probably say- while she may have been a little spoiled by having elder siblings do things for her/help her do things/etc. she also learned a lot from them at a younger age than she would have had she been a first born or only child. All my kids talked early (and often- are you surprised? LOL) but each one progressively more advanced verbally, physically, etc. I imagine that's from having older siblings to learn from.

For Rita we also had to "consider" other aspects of this decision. She is totally different than my other two -or atleast was- in respect to her academic motivation. My older two wanted to learn to read early, THRIVED on being able to show their abilities and things they learned/etc. academically even before school started. While my little Rita was more artistically inclined and would much rather spend her time drawing, making music with anything she could get her hands on, singing, acting, etc. than learning her ABC's, wanting to read (why bother when so many people will just read to her? LOL), etc. And even things she did learn she kept that information to herself- apparently. She would learn things (pre-school years) and was not the least bit interested in sharing that fact with you. It was one of my worries when she started K- because I honestly thought she was going to have to learn a LOT in K. But she surprised me.. she did a complete turn-around on that aspect with her teacher. She just finished 1st grade so I can remember K vividly and how surprised I was those first few months... when the teacher would tell me how much she already knew when she started K, how well she did with the testing they do at the beginning of the year to see where everyone is "at" and such. Apparently she had learned quite a bit -just wasn't motivated or interested in telling us or showing us that she'd learned so much.

But anyway, that was something we considered- and we decided to just let her go to K and if she was having trouble keeping up academically and/or any other issues arised due to her age, size, etc. that we'd just hold her back in K. The worst that would happen would be that she'd have that extra year of K (because remember she didn't really want to learn anything from us- so it's not like WE could have spent that year with her at home making sure she was well prepared for K.... atleast we thought she wasn't wanting to learn- she was learning alright, she just didn't care to share that information with anyone else. So the opposite of my older two over-achievers, mega-competitors, shows offs at times... etc. LOL) But she went into K and showed that she was perfectly capable and has done well in 1st grade as well.

Now I will say she may not be doing QUITE as good as the other two did at that age. My older two didn't ever even have any B's (none for Robert- Ruby didn't have a B until 6th grade, one) and she's had a B here or there pretty much each 6wks. But a B is not like failing or anything... it's still perfectly acceptable (and we make sure not to compare her to them. This may not be just due to her age but more likely just to her own personality. She's for sure just as bright as they are, she's just not academically motivated/inclined as they are- as I mentioned previously. She has changed in some respects such as quickly wanted to learn to read and such- but she's just different. For instance the B's meant nothing to her- my son would think the world came crashing to an end- or might as well have as far as he's concerned- if he got a B... *sigh*)
But socially- that was not a concern for us. She's always been most outgoing, etc. She's no wallflower... she was quickly one of the most popular, most liked, and yes most talkative (that's the only behavior issue she's had at school- again are you surprised? LOL) of both her classes so far each year. (more so, WAY more so, than her older siblings actually. My oldest was always a tomboy and somewhat shy at school or in large groups of people... my son is like someone else mentioned- highly intelligent but not that great socially with others. He actually tests on the autism spectrum: Aspergers... issues with nonverbal communication doesn't make you a lot of friends or exactly give you the social skills most desired at his age. He tested pretty much off the charts on IQ though. He says he wants to be an astronaut when he grows up and I can totally see him in some science type career- of the type where there is not a lot of social interaction involved in that career. totally can see that happening. He could totally carry a conversation with an intelligent adult as if he was an intelligent educated adult- and he's only 9. But if they weren't speaking and used any nonverbal communication- he's lost.)

My youngest may be "smaller" than some (but still bigger than some) and she may not make the highest grades in the class- but she's NOT behind socially in any way. If anything she is miles ahead of most of them in some ways- again probably because she was at home all those years with a sibling 2.5yrs old and a sibling 6.5yrs older. In other words she was totally used to being around older "kids" already, so it was no big deal for her to be in a class where some of the kids were almost a year older than her- and your daughter probably is too- atleast to some degree... because of her older sister.

Just consider all aspects of this and you know your daughter best... but personally my opinion on the matter is primarily based on my experiences with my kids and I finally just decided why not? What's the worst that could happen? I'd have just had her do K over again if I felt there were reasons that being one of the youngest in class wasn't working out well. But that didn't happen.. and now she's going into 2nd grade and doing great. Good luck with the decision- it is a tough one you agonize over but I'm sure you'll figure out what's best for her.

From Post 1

Elizabeth Swan - POTC I GOLD dress
Elizabeth Swan- POTC I Robe -
Elizabeth Swan- POTC I Plum Dress -
Elizabeth Swan - POTC I Rum Island Dress -
Elizabeth Swan - POTC I Peach Gown -
Elizabeth Swan - POTC I British Uniform -
Elizabeth Swan - DMC Wedding Gown -
Elizabeth Swan - DMC Pirate -
Elizabeth Swan - AWE Asian Costume -


We need to add:

Elizabeth Swan - AWE Commando Robe -

LOL!!!!!!!

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Originally Posted by arlenesp
Anyone else had the bad luck to have to work Monday? They really screwed us over this year. Oh well, double time and a half

Jeff is off. If he was able to have the good fortune to be able to work MOnday it would be double time and a half.. I'm hoping they call him in because then he gets 4hrs call in time plus paid double time and a half the hours he works. LOL

It's not like we made any plans this weekend- it's raining cats and dogs here... still. *sigh*

 

[arlenesp]

I am having a picnic at my house. I think double time and a half would be worth giving up Monday. Just make sure you are not working Labor Day when I am down in Florida

No, the site is closed!!!!! My crockpot has been working overtime as well today since we're on our own for lunch Mon and we need to bring some stuff in.
Took DGS Morgan to the ortho on Fri to have his cast looked at as he was complaining and lo and behold, the Doc we use quit the practice and went out on his own. Don't you love it when you go to sign in at the office and they say "Didn't you get our message?" No she was out of the house since 8.Did you try her cell? Duh!!!!This is the second time this happened to DD.First their Doc at Nemours and now this one. She really had the worst luck with Drs. Turned out they took the cast off and he had some sores in spite of all the padding. Told to rest it (right!) and no running into the pool (again yeah right) These kids don't know the meaning of take it easy. DGD was jumping out of trees with her cast. I have a theory about the wearing of Healeys and foot injuries. Both play soccer but I really think those stupid shoes caused both of their pain and woes.Now we need to find out where the Doc went as he is ours as well
OK time to get to bed and set the alarm for tomorrow.I hope the cruisers start posting from the med. I have 3 blogs bookmarked

 

[captaincrash]

Thanks for your thoughts...

... I must confess to having reread your words a couple times to let your thoughts "sink in".... as I reflected on the images. Today with friends I had to open the conversation on this very subject too... and I was reading the articles the owner of the P-school sent home with us. And yes... it seems somewhat as a flip of the coin and less than totally conclusive as to if we gain or lose this or that one way or the other. It's a case of arguing the glass as being half full or half empty it seems. I still find myself mildly confused on the issue. Oh well ... let me read on to see if anyone else had something to say which might help me find a clear understanding.

Thanks again!

OK I'll jump in!
I think my kids are spoiled...they don't! They are often amazed when they discover than one of their friends (or even an adult) has never been to WDW. I try to explain to them that not every family has the means (or gasp the desire) to go on a $5,000+ vacation every year! I try to point out that the week we spend camping (for $10 a night) is just as much fun, but in a different way. My kids have more toys than they know what to do with. A direct result of being the only kids in the extended family for 6 year and none of their godparents having kids. We quit buying them toys years ago & they get 'experiences' for Christmas. We went dog mushing this year. DS7 got an Disney MP3 player from us for his b-day last week - that's it.

I know that someday they will realize how fortunate they are, but not yet! I think about my first foray into the real world. I grew up in the happy middle class suburbs where everyone went away to college afte HS & mom & dad figured out how to pay for it. It wasn't until after I graduated and got out into the world that I realized how fortunate I was to have the opportunities I was given (and sometimes wasted!).



SO, since I'm being opinionated this morning...
#1 - my oldest DS was the same way at that age. He got along well with other kids, but didn't necessarily play with them. He was very quiet, I can't say shy because he would jump into a room full of kids without a problem, he just wouldn't talk to them! He came out of his shell at about 5 and now he is a really funny kid & seems to be the type of kid that others are drawn to. He actually has a very sophisticated sense of humor for his age, so I think he was just waiting for the other kids to catch up with him!

#2 - I started K when I was 4 (Oct. birthday) & I wish my folks had waited a year. Academically, I was always OK, but it can be difficult to be the last to reach every milestone (although I am really enjoying reminding my friends that I'm a year younger now, that started when they all turned 30!). The age difference was also painfully obvious in middle school. There were about 2 years where everyone was just more mature than I was (mentally & physically). I was always small for my age (like your girls), so add a year age difference and I was really small! That evened out by high school when kids are done growing for the most part, I was still among the smallest, but not by as much! Leadership opportunities don't really show up until HS anyway, so I wouldn't be concerned about that. (side note: I was captain of my skating team & yearbook editor)

Having said all of that, we put DS8 (August b-day) in K the day before he turned 5. We moved the next summer and had him repeat K. It was less traumatic this way since he was the only one who knew he was repeating. He just wasn't ready for 1st grade. It doesn't really give him an advantage in sports because until you hit HS, most kids leagues are based on birthday, not grade.

I agree with what some other said about this. It really depends on the child and only you would know what you think is best for her. It's easy to second guess yourself but it's good that you're thinking about it HARD. You do need to think about it and weigh the pros and cons that you think she'd have for her personality/etc. and decide which way would be better.

I have had both extremes with my kids. My first 2 turned the next age up one early in the school year and one midway thru- therefore they started K when they were almost 6 and 1st grade when they were almost 7 (and so on). I had no choice in the matter (ie: I couldn't start them early- they had to be 5 before k and 6 before starting 1st grade) but they have excelled in many ways and a part of that might be that they are slightly older when starting those grades. However I have found practically half (if not more than that) of the kids are all the same way.. MOST of them have a birthday early on in the year or midway thru and they all had to wait to start school just as my older two did.
Now with my youngest- her birthday wasn't "right" before school started- like a day before or something like that- but close enough. Her birthday is June 16th and at that time school was starting the first week in August here- so she was only "of age" to start K, 1st grade about 6wks before school started. (school is starting later nowadays- last year it was mid august and next year it's Aug 27th! so that changes too apparently).

Anyway, I had to weigh the pros and cons. She was also a small child- and although she's grown a lot in the past 2yrs she's still on the smaller side. However that's really a non-issue because as I have seen with my older two AND with her- there is such a huge range of sizes of children the same age. I have seen kids closer to her age (on the young side for that grade) that you wouldn't believe they were in the same grade because they are SO tall- and likewise I have seen children who were almost a year older than her and were actually smaller than her! It's sometimes comical to watch like their plays and/or award ceremonies- such a wide range of height and it's hard to believe they are all in the same grade. So age really doesn't always help keep them the same "height" as others- it still varies widely regardless.
However, she was the 3rd child... and just as the books probably say- while she may have been a little spoiled by having elder siblings do things for her/help her do things/etc. she also learned a lot from them at a younger age than she would have had she been a first born or only child. All my kids talked early (and often- are you surprised? LOL) but each one progressively more advanced verbally, physically, etc. I imagine that's from having older siblings to learn from.

For Rita we also had to "consider" other aspects of this decision. She is totally different than my other two -or atleast was- in respect to her academic motivation. My older two wanted to learn to read early, THRIVED on being able to show their abilities and things they learned/etc. academically even before school started. While my little Rita was more artistically inclined and would much rather spend her time drawing, making music with anything she could get her hands on, singing, acting, etc. than learning her ABC's, wanting to read (why bother when so many people will just read to her? LOL), etc. And even things she did learn she kept that information to herself- apparently. She would learn things (pre-school years) and was not the least bit interested in sharing that fact with you. It was one of my worries when she started K- because I honestly thought she was going to have to learn a LOT in K. But she surprised me.. she did a complete turn-around on that aspect with her teacher. She just finished 1st grade so I can remember K vividly and how surprised I was those first few months... when the teacher would tell me how much she already knew when she started K, how well she did with the testing they do at the beginning of the year to see where everyone is "at" and such. Apparently she had learned quite a bit -just wasn't motivated or interested in telling us or showing us that she'd learned so much.

But anyway, that was something we considered- and we decided to just let her go to K and if she was having trouble keeping up academically and/or any other issues arised due to her age, size, etc. that we'd just hold her back in K. The worst that would happen would be that she'd have that extra year of K (because remember she didn't really want to learn anything from us- so it's not like WE could have spent that year with her at home making sure she was well prepared for K.... atleast we thought she wasn't wanting to learn- she was learning alright, she just didn't care to share that information with anyone else. So the opposite of my older two over-achievers, mega-competitors, shows offs at times... etc. LOL) But she went into K and showed that she was perfectly capable and has done well in 1st grade as well.

Now I will say she may not be doing QUITE as good as the other two did at that age. My older two didn't ever even have any B's (none for Robert- Ruby didn't have a B until 6th grade, one) and she's had a B here or there pretty much each 6wks. But a B is not like failing or anything... it's still perfectly acceptable (and we make sure not to compare her to them. This may not be just due to her age but more likely just to her own personality. She's for sure just as bright as they are, she's just not academically motivated/inclined as they are- as I mentioned previously. She has changed in some respects such as quickly wanted to learn to read and such- but she's just different. For instance the B's meant nothing to her- my son would think the world came crashing to an end- or might as well have as far as he's concerned- if he got a B... *sigh*)
But socially- that was not a concern for us. She's always been most outgoing, etc. She's no wallflower... she was quickly one of the most popular, most liked, and yes most talkative (that's the only behavior issue she's had at school- again are you surprised? LOL) of both her classes so far each year. (more so, WAY more so, than her older siblings actually. My oldest was always a tomboy and somewhat shy at school or in large groups of people... my son is like someone else mentioned- highly intelligent but not that great socially with others. He actually tests on the autism spectrum: Aspergers... issues with nonverbal communication doesn't make you a lot of friends or exactly give you the social skills most desired at his age. He tested pretty much off the charts on IQ though. He says he wants to be an astronaut when he grows up and I can totally see him in some science type career- of the type where there is not a lot of social interaction involved in that career. totally can see that happening. He could totally carry a conversation with an intelligent adult as if he was an intelligent educated adult- and he's only 9. But if they weren't speaking and used any nonverbal communication- he's lost.)

My youngest may be "smaller" than some (but still bigger than some) and she may not make the highest grades in the class- but she's NOT behind socially in any way. If anything she is miles ahead of most of them in some ways- again probably because she was at home all those years with a sibling 2.5yrs old and a sibling 6.5yrs older. In other words she was totally used to being around older "kids" already, so it was no big deal for her to be in a class where some of the kids were almost a year older than her- and your daughter probably is too- atleast to some degree... because of her older sister.

Just consider all aspects of this and you know your daughter best... but personally my opinion on the matter is primarily based on my experiences with my kids and I finally just decided why not? What's the worst that could happen? I'd have just had her do K over again if I felt there were reasons that being one of the youngest in class wasn't working out well. But that didn't happen.. and now she's going into 2nd grade and doing great. Good luck with the decision- it is a tough one you agonize over but I'm sure you'll figure out what's best for her.




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Hey Tom - As someone else said, the most important thing to realize is that they are 2 totally independent individuals. You are already laying the groundwork for what is the most important - an active, involved parent and DAD. There is nothing more gratifying than realizing that your DAD (and Mom of course) loved you and were there for you. That is just my opinion and vews. So whether you got that as a child or are doing it from lack of - kudos to you for going there.

Second, is an awesome book called The Birth Order Book by a Dr. Kevin or Kenneth Leman???? I think. It certainly is interesting to read. I was turned onto it a couple of years back when I was going through a hard spell with my older 2. They are respectively a boy and girl born almost 13 months apart (they were premature). While they are close in age - they are miles apart in personality. My problem was that I recognized this almost too late.

My oldest - who I always assumed would be the trouble child - is my social butterfly while my middle child has gone the complete opposite. According this Dr Leman's observations, many times the younger sibling will do this in an effort to get out from under oldest childs observations. I'm sorry for dry-quoting but in my case, this has turned out to be quite true.

For everything that DS did or tried to excel at - DD avoided like the plague. In all essence, she was the one that struggled with social situations. She is quite pretty but to this day quite shy. However, in her tight circle of friends (from 6th grade) she is the leader and the one most willing to talk sense into the girls when they want to try something or the first one to do something when they decide to do something. So from my experience, things have a funny way of working out. DD is shy and awkward in certain situations, but when it comes to academics and work situations, everyone agrees those are her strong points. So as long as she has her little circle or friends, and while not many, she excels in life.

So this may not help you but as a NOW parent, I didn't have the contact with my parents that you are giving them. I understand that was old school and don't blame everything on them. I now stress the importance to my kids who will be turning 21 and 20 in July just how important it is to acknowledge personality and individualism. I apologize to them when I do something wrong which is something that my parents never did. However, I think it helps them to realize that we are human being prone to error too.

While I view these upcoming years and the last couple as horrible and terrible. My kids, had had their problems but thankfully, they haven't been arrested or have a drug problem and they still sometimes listen to dear old mom. So for now, I count my blessings. In fact, just last night - DS came by and said - Hi Mom - what'd you do to your hair? Which in the past he'd of walked by and said - your hair sucks. So being the perpetual Pollyanna where my kids are concerned - I look upon this as an improvement and hope for many more to come.

Bact on track - its alright if your children are quiet - maybe that's her personality. My DH and his brother are 18 months apart. My DH was the go-getter and overachiever in sports but struggled with academics. My BIL is a rocket scientist and has had several jobs with the areospace venue. While he is unquestionably more intelligent - he struggles with human contact and our relationship (his and mine) suffers for it since I don't suffer fools easily. There is something to be said about a person that can be smart and stupid at the same time.

As my SIL used to say - I'm glad I'm married to the rocket scientist instead of to a momma's boy - to which I replied (I know - catty but I bit my tongue for the first 5 years) yeah but how's that working for you? While DH isn't 'as smart' as his brother - we have more to show for it than he does. There is something to be said about book smart and street smart and how you choose to use it. While they have the income to go if they had expendable income - we are the ones going on vacations with the family and spending time with both grandparents in the hopes of sowing the seeds that family is important along with idea that you must work at it and that we have a responsibility to help others which I make sure they see us doing. So while not perfect - my kids have seen both sides of the world, poverty and overindulgence and every once in a while I see a small gesture on their part when they reach out to help others and or right a wrong - even if its just to call the police to say that someone collapsed in the street and may need help or stopping to help someone that may need it - to me - there is nothing more beautiful to see than a soul that reaches out to others because they care.

OK - off my soapbox now - sorry to take up so much space but those are my erratic thoughts on the subject. Hope they help you in a small way. Later

Crash...you kill me with your photo magic.

When I said I thought your girls would grow to be "secure" young women, I meant "secure" as in, knowing who they are and being proud of who they are. Not secure money-wise.

Andy.... I KNOW... I understood the "secure" thing... I just sort of expanded on the thought a little... and you all know how I can dive off the deep end pretty easily here...


We sent Jared to kindergarten when he was younger.....because he'd been in the Developmental Preschool for a couple of years and we were told he was ready. I wish I'd followed my instincts and held him back, because we ended up holding him back later. Now he is actually still younger than a lot of kids in his grade, but is closer at least. Socially and emotionally he is better off now.
He, too, was very bright, but very quiet. Once he made a few friends he did just fine, but on the whole, he'd keep to himself. I think he just wasn't sure enough of his abilities to speak out. Now that he's more "in line" as far as his age and his maturity level, he does so much better. I continue to kick myself for not standing up to the school and insisting we keep him in preschool another year.

 

[Verandah Man]

"Good Morning All" ​

 

[bellelinus]

"Good Morning All" ​

Good morning, Andy!

 

[Verandah Man]

Hi There Julie

Just sitting here waiting to hear from my niece as to when we can take Angelina to meet up with her. My niece is going to meet us halfway between here and Atlantic City. The BIG "Gwen Stefani" concert is tonight at the Borgata, and Angelina is sooooooooooooooooooooo excited, she can hardly wait for the concert to begin.

 

[LITTLEKID58]

GM

Presently 63 going up to 86 here in Sunny Central Florida

and prayers to everyone who is going to need it today

aboard to all the newbies

Have a great Sunday

 

[arlenesp]

Hi There Julie

Just sitting here waiting to hear from my niece as to when we can take Angelina to meet up with her. My niece is going to meet us halfway between here and Atlantic City. The BIG "Gwen Stefani" concert is tonight at the Borgata, and Angelina is sooooooooooooooooooooo excited, she can hardly wait for the concert to begin.

Morning
Andy, My DD took her daughter and they loved it.She took some video on her cell phone Hope Angelina has a great time.

 

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Good Sunday Mornig!

I'm in the chapel at camp setting for the service this morning. Hope everyone has a good day. I'll check in later.

 

[Esteri]

Morning all!

Thanks so much for the birthday wishes!! It was a good birthday.

I was at a dog show all day. I took the points with Taiko. (That's a good thing, only one dog of each sex is swarded championship points.) And Jakob placed 4th in Open Junior - it's his first placement since moving up from the Novice class. And he was told by a lot of kids that the first year in Open is really hard - you don't win. So, to have a 4th on only his third time in the Open ring made him feel about 10 feet tall.

We got home and there was a card on the door made by Issac. Announcing that he and Dad had made Chocolate Chip Cookies for my birthday. (Dad says he wanted to make a cake - but it was too involved. So Issac settled on cookies.)

Then George took me out to a very nice dinner (no kids).

WOW! What a birthday!!!

Well, we're off to the show again this morning. I only have about 10 min extra to post. 8:00 am ring time. So, I'll have to catch up later. Based on the size of some of these quotes I'm seeing - I have a lot to catch up on!

Later!!

 

[Verandah Man]

Talk about your Good and Bad reports, check out this post from Tom & Lynn (DisneySpirit) a fellow August 2008 Repo Cruiser.

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=18869873&postcount=71

So sorry to hear of your troubles Tom, but was happy to hear the passport was found and you were able to rebook for later. Looks like you will be sailing with some others from this thread as well in July.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Talk about your Good and Bad reports, check out this post from Tom & Lynn (DisneySpirit) a fellow August 2008 Repo Cruiser.

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=18869873&postcount=71

So sorry to hear of your troubles Tom, but was happy to hear the passport was found and you were able to rebook for later. Looks like you will be sailing with some others from this thread as well in July.

I wanted to cry when I started reading that post.

I tend to misplace something everytime we're on vacation. (ID, credit cards,...)I end up finding them soon after, but the stress is crazy.