6 years since COVID… lest we forget.

[mikeuno]

Hard to believe that was six years ago!

 

[tink2424]

Yeah I think it's pretty disingenuous to say "Well, we've all had Covid by now so we see that it isn't really the big deal that they said it was." This virus has mutated so much since its initial appearance that what we see today is not what it was in 2020.

What is disingenuous is that at the time the experts knew the advice they were giving was wrong. This has now been proven. Yes, we all should have been concerned but luckily it wasn't that deadly a virus (as compared to something like Ebola). The fear mongering and decisions that were made of things like 6 ft apart were not based on science.

There was no statistical difference between the outcome in FL opposed to the outcome in CA. FL had schools open Fall 2020, CA had schools closed through the 20-21 school year. Yes, schools are great incubators, but all my kids got it at one point or another, and they were not in school. Heck, the worst case we got was in 12/19 before they knew what it was, and we highly suspect we got it from my kids who got it from school. We kept getting fed the "you're going to kill Grandma" line, but the one time I got it was from my Uncle who is in his 80's. We are both fine to this day.

The COVID times were full of these, doing something to be doing something decisions that did more harm than good. The problem is the things we were doing were theater - closing schools, closing businesses, masking, hand santizing, distancing. We by-and-large all got sick anyway. We should have been focusing on the co-morbidities, the largest of which continues to be obesity. People ran out and bought Pelotons but almost nobody used them. Why not? Because that's hard. putting on a mask, well fitting or not, easy. Shame on those who don't. Fact is those in good shape had good outcomes regardless of anything else.

More food for thought; the pandemic ended because the disease mutated and we'd all been exposed and had some immunity (vaccine or not). It stands to reason that lives would have been saved if the disease had mutated sooner - perhaps by exposing those who were not having the worst ill effects early on? Could be, but we'll never know, because we didn't do that, and nobody seems all that interested in finding out.

Exactly! The response was not appropriate.

The only two people I personally knew who died of Covid both succumbed to the Delta variant in mid/late 2021. It was fierce. They were both unvaccinated, and many would just assume that, but I just looked it up and was very suprised that in Canada, almost as many vaccinated (to some level) deaths were attributed to Covid as unvaccinated.

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Very true! In fact the original COVID vaccine studies did not even look to see if the vaccine prevented death or other outcomes... They only tested to see if the vaccine produced antibodies. So all the people claiming the vaccine saved lives are incorrect as that was never actually proven.

 

[MyKindOfDisney]

Very true! In fact the original COVID vaccine studies did not even look to see if the vaccine prevented death or other outcomes... They only tested to see if the vaccine produced antibodies. So all the people claiming the vaccine saved lives are incorrect as that was never actually proven.

Please, let's not do this.

Like all vaccines, the COVID vaccine has saved millions of lives:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2836434

If you truly believe that the experts who crafted policy during the pandemic "knew the advice they were giving is wrong" . . . I don't know what to say to that other than I really think 95% of people were doing the best they could with the limited information they had.

We all do the best that we can everyday. Usually we succeed, but I won't villainize people when they don't

 

[CdnCarrie]

The only good thing about COVID was the family time we had because schools were shut down and my daughters taught online at home. But it was not easy for them and they still feel that the schools should not have been closed.
The worst part was the fear that if we got COVID we would die, which of course was not true.

My coworker's husband died of Covid. What are you talking about? I'm glad no one you know died but many people did.

 

[TeresaBelle]

I still had to work in the office some. My commute is 40 miles each way. The empty roads were the best!

 

[tink2424]

Please, let's not do this.

Like all vaccines, the COVID vaccine has saved millions of lives:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2836434

If you truly believe that the experts who crafted policy during the pandemic "knew the advice they were giving is wrong" . . . I don't know what to say to that other than I really think 95% of people were doing the best they could with the limited information they had.

We all do the best that we can everyday. Usually we succeed, but I won't villainize people when they don't

Yes, please don't actually acknowledge what happened or that the original vaccine studies did NOT have an endpoint to confirm if someone got COVID or not. But don't let pesky facts get in the way.

 

[Lumpy1106]

As I've stated in other threads about COVID, May 2020 was going to be my last day teaching after 32 years. Not being able to say goodbye to my students in person and share my last concerts with them was very painful.

The district I taught in went back in-person in Aug 2020. The person who replaced my quit the day before school started so they asked me to come back for a few weeks until they could find someone else.

The district was very strict about wearing masks. Parents and students were told if the child did not wear a mask they would be sent home. The high school had an outbreak because students decided that mask wearing was not something they needed to do all the time. I had students whose older siblings caught COVID, took it home, and it did in fact kill Grandma and Grandpa. We had staff in the district who caught COVID, took it home, and it killed their parents. We had staff who died of COVID after contracting it at school.

I am not in any way trying to minimize your loss, but my point is, regardless of what restrictions were in place, the disease did what it was going to do. Keeping kids away from their friends for well over a year did nothing to change that. Even Dr. Fauci has come out and said so. Too late now...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fauci-schools-shut-down-covid/

 

[TiggerTrigger]

My coworker's husband died of Covid. What are you talking about? I'm glad no one you know died but many people did.

Agreed!!! Covid most certainly killed. Covid killed one of my coworkers...a woman that I'd know for more than 2 decades. She was one of my cake buddies in the office, where we'd share baking tips and triumphs. Her boys are growing up without a mother because of Covid.

 

[NaptownMom]

My hearing was permanently damaged by covid. One of my kid's sense of smell and taste never fully returned. It was a very weird virus with weird consequences. I can't get too upset about people doing their best with the information they had. That said, I think we all know some people used the crisis for personal gain (financial and political) which is depressing.

 

[RedHead0186]

While technically possible, it’s highly improbable that someone 6 years into this hasn’t had a covid virus.

Sure, it's highly improbable that someone hasn't had it yet, I agree with that sentiment. But that's different than saying you "guarantee" someone had it or there "no chance" someone didn't have it.

 

[hardcorestitch]

Hard to believe that was six years ago!

Time sure flew.

 

[MyKindOfDisney]

Yes, please don't actually acknowledge what happened or that the original vaccine studies did NOT have an endpoint to confirm if someone got COVID or not. But don't let pesky facts get in the way.

I have yet to see these "pesky facts" that support your assertions. Presently, I'm just seeing a lot of strong opinions not supported by medical research.

As someone who participated in a COVID vaccine trial, I can assure you that whether or not someone got COVID was an endpoint.

No need to get salty. I'm not trying to change your mind, but I do get frustrated seeing patently untrue statements like "the COVID vaccine didn't save any lives"

COVID was a difficult time for the whole world. The negative effects will continue to reverberate, but I hope we don't needlessly boost that negativity and instead choose to learn from it.

 

[Frwinkley]

I agree with this. As an educator it breaks my heart that public education was so villainized over decisions made to try to save the lives of students and teachers. That's what people still talk about, what stains my memories, and what I always have to hear when it's brought up. Nevermind that I worked 12-14 hour days, delivered needed materials/food/supplies to students' houses, sat in 100 degree weather in a mask passing out materials/technology/materials to families weekly, bought books with my own money and left them at locations for students to pick up, etc.

As a fellow teacher, thank you for summing this up so perfectly.

We worked tirelessly to make things right for our students. We did car parades through their neighborhoods because we missed them and we knew they missed us.

It was a no-win situation for everyone involved, but teachers did their very best.

I feel like that's when public education began to take a real beating. Those people that have never once set foot in a class room were the biggest offenders.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Please, let's not do this.

Like all vaccines, the COVID vaccine has saved millions of lives:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2836434

If you truly believe that the experts who crafted policy during the pandemic "knew the advice they were giving is wrong" . . . I don't know what to say to that other than I really think 95% of people were doing the best they could with the limited information they had.

We all do the best that we can everyday. Usually we succeed, but I won't villainize people when they don't

I'm a big believer in vaccines - Measles, Mumps, Whooping cough, even Chicken Pox, all diseases my kids never had to suffer through (or worse). That said, the COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine. It's like the flu shot - if you have to keep getting it over and over again, you are not vaccinated. Protected for a short period of time? Maybe, but not vaccinated, and nobody these days is even making that claim. I stopped getting COVID shots when my entire family got a "booster" and I missed my appointment and did not. They all got COVID about a month later, I did not. That's all the data points I needed, and there is definitely evidence that people are being harmed by the shot. IMHO, It's not worth the risk, so I am done.

 

[Lumpy1106]

I agree with this. As an educator it breaks my heart that public education was so villainized over decisions made to try to save the lives of students and teachers. That's what people still talk about, what stains my memories, and what I always have to hear when it's brought up. Nevermind that I worked 12-14 hour days, delivered needed materials/food/supplies to students' houses, sat in 100 degree weather in a mask passing out materials/technology/materials to families weekly, bought books with my own money and left them at locations for students to pick up, etc.

Nobody villainized the teachers. Their unions? Yes, not the teachers. Keeping schools closed meant they could bully the parents into whatever they wanted (i.e. $$$ for the most part). As soon as the schools re-opened, that power was gone. If there was a villain during COVID it was the likes of Randy Weingarten and Cecily Mayart-Cruz - both just evil people. They got what they wanted, but it was at the cost of a +year in the life of the kids. Shame on them - that's unforgivable.

 

[Tink3815]

As a fellow teacher, thank you for summing this up so perfectly.

We worked tirelessly to make things right for our students. We did car parades through their neighborhoods because we missed them and we knew they missed us.

It was a no-win situation for everyone involved, but teachers did their very best.

I feel like that's when public education began to take a real beating. Those people that have never once set foot in a class room were the biggest offenders.

Parents at home watching their children's online classes got to see what was going on in some of our classrooms. In some classrooms and school districts parents did not agree with their actions and voiced their opinions, a right of parenthood.

 

[Kathryn Merteuil]

Right off had, I can think of 6 people that I know who died from Covid. It really did do a number on my father. I think part of his issue is just being old, but Covid really didn't help.

 

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