4th Fastpass easier today 6/7 than yesterday?

[ArwenMarie]

In terms of change party; it seems to me, according to tos, it is never valid to use change party prior to admission. Doing so would result in different tickets being used for selection and entry.

Once the person with the fp enters the park, using the ticket under which fp was booked, then they can transfer as they wish.

If this is what they intended, it should be a simple matter of blocking change party until after entrance for the day. This would also end all (or almost all) the loopholes.

After entrance?

 

[mom2rtk]

After entrance?

I think that poster means after entrance on both tickets.

 

[mousefan73]

I would think the limitation is 3 FP per admission. Not 3 FP per person. If one person has 2 admissions, more power to you. I think you'd just have to enter the park on admission 1, immediately exit and then enter the park on admission 2. BAM, both were used to enter the park so both sets of FP can be used.

Can Disney's system handle this? Seeing how glitzy it is.... unless you had two accounts.. and I have heard that they will cancel one accoun

So now the sole purpose of a kiosk will be for those who don't have smartphones?

I personLLY preferred the kiosks over the phone.. unless there was a line.. the app is gltizy and connection suchs.

 

[cabanafrau]

Do we know that this has been disallowed and that your MDE account will get locked if you do it?

An awful lot of people are curiously waiting for firsthand accounts about this very fact, firsthand detailed accounts. Makes you wonder if TWDC is paying attention as closely. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that if they don't take steps to squash this hard they could get hit with a class action lawsuit from disgruntled customers alleging Disney knowingly allows this to go on, raking in the profits knowing all guests don't in fact have equal access for the price paid.

They can hardly deny they know about it when it's all over the web. They're known for blanketing with cease and desist regarding use of the images, events like birthday parties with Disney princesses, etc. Clearly they have those whose job it is to seek out infringements against Disney's interests. They can hardly allow this kind of abuse go on in such an open and obvious way to the disadvantage of other paying guests and then claim they had no knowledge. If they don't close up the loopholes caused by their revenue enhancing ticketing handcuffs they deserve the black eye of a class action lawsuit.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

That's what is supposed to be what is happening since the system change. I don't know if anyone has actually come back to say what happened when they tried to do it since the full change. Or where they would post it. Discussions about it have been stopped.

Unless something changed, this was specifically allowed to be discussed. If you do ____ and your MDE is locked, you can post about it so everyone else knows for sure what not to do.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

An awful lot of people are curiously waiting for firsthand accounts about this very fact, firsthand detailed accounts. Makes you wonder if TWDC is paying attention as closely. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that if they don't take steps to squash this hard they could get hit with a class action lawsuit from disgruntled customers alleging Disney knowingly allows this to go on, raking in the profits knowing all guests don't in fact have equal access for the price paid.

We arrive at Disney tomorrow. And I admit: I am torn being not wanting to have any hassles on vacation, and wanting to see if the Disney police come after me if I attempt anything that we on here are interpreting as now being against the rules.

Maybe I'll try on our last Disney day before we move to Universal and pay for shorter lines like civilized people.





(that was a joke!)

 

[5DisneyNuts]

An awful lot of people are curiously waiting for firsthand accounts about this very fact, firsthand detailed accounts. Makes you wonder if TWDC is paying attention as closely. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that if they don't take steps to squash this hard they could get hit with a class action lawsuit from disgruntled customers alleging Disney knowingly allows this to go on, raking in the profits knowing all guests don't in fact have equal access for the price paid.

They can hardly deny they know about it when it's all over the web. They're known for blanketing with cease and desist regarding use of the images, events like birthday parties with Disney princesses, etc. Clearly they have those whose job it is to seek out infringements against Disney's interests. They can hardly allow this kind of abuse go on in such an open and obvious way to the disadvantage of other paying guests and then claim they had no knowledge. If they don't close up the loopholes caused by their revenue enhancing ticketing handcuffs they deserve the black eye of a class action lawsuit.

Hmm, I don't know. At times it feels like everyone is saying the only way to ride a ride is with a FP and that simply isn't the case. No one is being stopped from getting in a standby line. The FP language in TOS regarding availability isn't vague. The writing makes it clear that there is no guarantee of availability. And many rides are available same day, just not the headliners.

On site guests get benefits over off site guests as they should and have more access to FP. It seems to me WDW cracks down when others are making the money that they could be making.

Why doesn't Universal seem to have all these problems?

 

[otterpop]

I think that this is (will be?) very interesting to see how the recent changes will have any impact on the availability of FP options as our 4th+ one. I personally think it won't, as I think this whole "issue" is really a lot more minor than some have made it out to be. In addition, I don't think Disney has ever made an official announcement. The info we have are from certain Disney blog (?) sites. Does anyone even know if changes have actually occurred? I posted earlier in this thread about seeing something pertaining to a family being kicked out of MK last night. I saw it on one of those blog sites and when I went back to try to find exactly where I saw it, I couldn't...it was probably just more blog bs...

I'm confused though...what do you guys actually mean by using the term "loophole?" Do you honestly think Disney, a (150) billion dollar company, is stupid enough to not know how their system works and how customers are using it? If I understand what everyone is referring to by using the word "loophole," (please correct me if I am wrong) you are saying that Disney doesn't know about these things and/or can't do anything about them. I find that very hard to believe. These things are not "loopholes" because Disney does knows about them and allows them (or certain ones) to occur. If they were issues, they would do something about it (like the recent topic we can't discuss) and/or have it directly and clearly stated in detail in their TOS. Have any of you read the TOS? Do you actually understand it? If you did, then you would know that these different "scenarios" that people are mentioning in this thread are actually not breaking any rules according to it. Disney has rules and regulations in place that probably most everyone on the DIS follow; whether you agree with what certain people do or how they interpret the TOS, that's your personal opinion and should not be taken as fact or used to judge/attack others. Please keep personal opinion and interpretations to yourself...that's what's causing all of these recent problems and misinformation being passed onto others on these boards. Instead of acting like the TOS police, when you possibly don't even know or understand what you are policing, go spend some time with your family and/or friends; there are more important things in life. Sorry, if the above seems like I'm getting defensive...I appreciate everyone's comments as I enjoy these thought-provoking discussions.

Sorry again for all the ranting...I'm going to start a new post to see how many of us have planned for our next trip multiple dining reservations per day and everyday at BOG and try to find out how many of those reservations you are going to actually use over the course of your trip...I think I'll get a lot of interesting responses!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Why doesn't Universal seem to have all these problems?

Because if you stay onsite there at any of the 3 hotels that receive the benefit you get unlimited FOTL. It's not provided with every entrance ticket. The rest is purchased FOTL and either unlimited again for a higher price or only once per attraction and once you've done it you're done.

Perhaps the issue is that Disney is past being able to follow the model they started with and need to start limiting FP (probably still the 3 per day or it might be tiered) to onsite guests or else for purchase to offsite guests and AP holders.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I agree. All the speculation is just that; speculation. And as I said earlier it is all based on a blog that has been copied on virtually every WDW fan site word for word. No multiple sources, just one.

Everyone has a different take on things. For some the sticking point is child swap; others, pool hopping, or multiple ADRs (LOL btw on the last paragraph!).

Reading the DIS makes us feel sometimes that these things are rampant and it has never been my experience. The times I have seen WDW take action is when companies, websites, etc. have profited off their turf.

I think that this is (will be?) very interesting to see how the recent changes will have any impact on the availability of FP options as our 4th+ one. I personally think it won't, as I think this whole "issue" is really a lot more minor than some have made it out to be. In addition, I don't think Disney has ever made an official announcement. The info we have are from certain Disney blog (?) sites. Does anyone even know if changes have actually occurred? I posted earlier in this thread about seeing something pertaining to a family being kicked out of MK last night. I saw it on one of those blog sites and when I went back to try to find exactly where I saw it, I couldn't...it was probably just more blog bs...

I'm confused though...what do you guys actually mean by using the term "loophole?" Do you honestly think Disney, a (150) billion dollar company, is stupid enough to not know how their system works and how customers are using it? If I understand what everyone is referring to by using the word "loophole," (please correct me if I am wrong) you are saying that Disney doesn't know about these things and/or can't do anything about them. I find that very hard to believe. These things are not "loopholes" because Disney does knows about them and allows them (or certain ones) to occur. If they were issues, they would do something about it (like the recent topic we can't discuss) and/or have it directly and clearly stated in detail in their TOS. Have any of you read the TOS? Do you actually understand it? If you did, then you would know that these different "scenarios" that people are mentioning in this thread are actually not breaking any rules according to it. Disney has rules and regulations in place that probably most everyone on the DIS follow; whether you agree with what certain people do or how they interpret the TOS, that's your personal opinion and should not be taken as fact or used to judge/attack others. Please keep personal opinion and interpretations to yourself...that's what's causing all of these recent problems and misinformation being passed onto others on these boards. Instead of acting like the TOS police, when you possibly don't even know or understand what you are policing, go spend some time with your family and/or friends; there are more important things in life. Sorry, if the above seems like I'm getting defensive...I appreciate everyone's comments as I enjoy these thought-provoking discussions.

Sorry again for all the ranting...I'm going to start a new post to see how many of us have planned for our next trip multiple dining reservations per day and everyday at BOG and try to find out how many of those reservations you are going to actually use over the course of your trip...I think I'll get a lot of interesting responses!

 

[CT Disney]

Bud wakes up sick on day #3 and Mom stays back at the resort with him. Dad and Princess go to a park for the day.

I just have one big problem with this example...it really should be Dad who stays back at the resort with the sick kid...Let Mom head into the parks...

 

[fan1080]

I think that this is (will be?) very interesting to see how the recent changes will have any impact on the availability of FP options as our 4th+ one. I personally think it won't, as I think this whole "issue" is really a lot more minor than some have made it out to be. In addition, I don't think Disney has ever made an official announcement. The info we have are from certain Disney blog (?) sites. Does anyone even know if changes have actually occurred? I posted earlier in this thread about seeing something pertaining to a family being kicked out of MK last night. I saw it on one of those blog sites and when I went back to try to find exactly where I saw it, I couldn't...it was probably just more blog bs...

I'm confused though...what do you guys actually mean by using the term "loophole?" Do you honestly think Disney, a (150) billion dollar company, is stupid enough to not know how their system works and how customers are using it? If I understand what everyone is referring to by using the word "loophole," (please correct me if I am wrong) you are saying that Disney doesn't know about these things and/or can't do anything about them. I find that very hard to believe. These things are not "loopholes" because Disney does knows about them and allows them (or certain ones) to occur. If they were issues, they would do something about it (like the recent topic we can't discuss) and/or have it directly and clearly stated in detail in their TOS. Have any of you read the TOS? Do you actually understand it? If you did, then you would know that these different "scenarios" that people are mentioning in this thread are actually not breaking any rules according to it. Disney has rules and regulations in place that probably most everyone on the DIS follow; whether you agree with what certain people do or how they interpret the TOS, that's your personal opinion and should not be taken as fact or used to judge/attack others. Please keep personal opinion and interpretations to yourself...that's what's causing all of these recent problems and misinformation being passed onto others on these boards. Instead of acting like the TOS police, when you possibly don't even know or understand what you are policing, go spend some time with your family and/or friends; there are more important things in life. Sorry, if the above seems like I'm getting defensive...I appreciate everyone's comments as I enjoy these thought-provoking discussions.

Sorry again for all the ranting...I'm going to start a new post to see how many of us have planned for our next trip multiple dining reservations per day and everyday at BOG and try to find out how many of those reservations you are going to actually use over the course of your trip...I think I'll get a lot of interesting responses!

What gives you the impression your interpretation of the TOS is correct?

 

[cabanafrau]

Hmm, I don't know. At times it feels like everyone is saying the only way to ride a ride is with a FP and that simply isn't the case. No one is being stopped from getting in a standby line. The FP language in TOS regarding availability isn't vague. The writing makes it clear that there is no guarantee of availability. And many rides are available same day, just not the headliners.

On site guests get benefits over off site guests as they should and have more access to FP. It seems to me WDW cracks down when others are making the money that they could be making.

Why doesn't Universal seem to have all these problems?

I want to see a jury respond after reviewing Disney's promotion of FP+, looking at what customers paid for their WDW accommodations and ticketing -- and reviewing actual breakdowns of wait times for various rides, including FP+ riders and those in standby, as in the type of metrics only known to Disney, along with data associated with availability of FP+ to those specific guests during their visit and those of other high volume FP+ MDE accounts in the same time period.

I don't think a jury is going to look at the opportunity of guest A to use their legitimate FP+ and 3 hours extra in standby lines per day to ride SDMT, Soarin', TOT, PP, etc or decide to wait less and go with Imagination, Living With the Land, Aladdin's Carpets while a review of guest B using their legitimate FP+ and several scammed accounts has entry to multiple attractions listed on Disney's own systems as Tier I in the same amount of time and say guest A and guest B were allowed the same advantages for their price of entry to the park that day.

 

[CT Disney]

Ok, so, if Mom and sick Billy stay back at the resort (DO NOT use their admission to enter the park) and Dad and Sue go to the park...

Sigh...Mom gets the short end of the stick again...

I'm pretty sure Sick Billy would much rather hang out with Dad.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I hear what you are saying, but this would never get to a jury. Imagine the amount of suits that could be brought against any vacation destination for not meeting guest expectations. Heck, the advertisements from Vegas hotels would lead me to believe I am going to be hanging with rock stars and win a ton of $.

As stated and only my opinion, Disney steps in when their pocketbook is hurt. And I don't believe accounts will be locked for anyone other than the prime company offenders. Disney goes above and beyond to avoid guest confrontations.

I want to see a jury respond after reviewing Disney's promotion of FP+, looking at what customers paid for their WDW accommodations and ticketing -- and reviewing actual breakdowns of wait times for various rides, including FP+ riders and those in standby, as in the type of metrics only known to Disney, along with data associated with availability of FP+ to those specific guests during their visit and those of other high volume FP+ MDE accounts in the same time period.

I don't think a jury is going to look at the opportunity of guest A to use their legitimate FP+ and 3 hours extra in standby lines per day to ride SDMT, Soarin', TOT, PP, etc or decide to wait less and go with Imagination, Living With the Land, Aladdin's Carpets while a review of guest B using their legitimate FP+ and several scammed accounts has entry to multiple attractions listed on Disney's own systems as Tier I in the same amount of time and say guest A and guest B were allowed the same advantages for their price of entry to the park that day.

 

[otterpop]

What gives you the impression your interpretation of the TOS is correct?

Absolutely nothing! But I'm not going to enforce my interpretations or opinions on others and use them as actual fact, which some members on here seem to be doing. What I think is "right" or "wrong" is my opinion and could differ than yours. I'm not going to judge someone because they disagree with my opinions, beliefs, or interpretations. For example, where does it say in the Disney Terms and Conditions that you are only allowed 3 initial FP's??? It doesn't! Now I realize that we all "know" you get 3, but it isn't listed. So maybe somebody interprets that as they can use as many FP's as they can get. I can't argue that and say they are wrong. I might disagree with it or think it is unfair, but that's my opinion. How Disney interprets that and what/how they enforce it is up to them...not you, not me, not anybody else (edit...unless you're Mr. Iger! ).

 

[lark]

The TOS for using a 1-day ticket is that you may exit & re-enter the same park on that same day,
but you may NOT enter another park
that same day with ANOTHER 1-day ticket(or multi-ticket).

Can you point to where that is in the TOS? I can't find it anywhere in the MDE TOS. Is there a separate tickets TOS or parks TOS?

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I haven't read the thread but to answer the question for our party, we are in MK today and the FP selection for 4th and on has been terrible compared to Tuesday of this week.

 

[otterpop]

I haven't read the thread but to answer the question for our party, we are in MK today and the FP selection for 4th and on has been terrible compared to Tuesday of this week.

That's a bummer...especially at MK.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever been able to get a 4+ FP for the Tier 1 rides at either HS or Epcot? We have never been able to. I was hoping that the 3rd track for TSM at HS and the 3rd theater for SAW at Epcot would have helped...or maybe we just have bad luck!

 

[fan1080]

Absolutely nothing! But I'm not going to enforce my interpretations or opinions on others and use them as actual fact, which some members on here seem to be doing. What I think is "right" or "wrong" is my opinion and could differ than yours. I'm not going to judge someone because they disagree with my opinions, beliefs, or interpretations. For example, where does it say in the Disney Terms and Conditions that you are only allowed 3 initial FP's??? It doesn't! Now I realize that we all "know" you get 3, but it isn't listed. So maybe somebody interprets that as they can use as many FP's as they can get. I can't argue that and say they are wrong. I might disagree with it or think it is unfair, but that's my opinion. How Disney interprets that and what/how they enforce it is up to them...not you, not me, not anybody else.

You might want to go back and re-read what you wrote, you did indeed say that your interpretation of the TOS is fact, when you stated that the scenarios posted here are in line with the TOS.

The terms and conditions do not need to spell out every little detail. Disney provides other forms of communication that helps specify what is expected.

For instance:

Q.

How many FastPass+ selections can I make for each day of my vacation?

A.

Before you arrive, for each day of valid theme park admission, you can make up to 3 FastPass+ selections for a single park per day (depending on availability).

or:

Q.

Can other people use my MagicBand or card?

A.

No. Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it—including linked tickets, FastPass+ experiences, touch-to-pay purchases and other entitlements. Once a MagicBand or card is linked to your Disney account, it cannot be transferred to another person.

In addition to touching your MagicBand or card to a touch point, you will be required to scan a finger to enter the parks or enter a PIN code to uniquely identify yourself when making purchases. This process helps to ensure that you, and only you, have access to the entitlements linked to your MagicBand or card.

When you read through all information from Disney, I think it becomes very clear what Disney's expectations are.

Happy travels.