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Does anyone know if you can change the 4th? I remember with the bonus FP during early testing you could change it after, but it tried to give you something first.
The ones generated by MDX (through day of scheduling via the app or kiosks) can be changed. Not sure how they are handling the "bonus" to those that don't want to rebook? Would love to hear any first-hand accounts.
 
Yep the more FPs they allow people to prebook the closer they move to an all-reservation system. Whether official or not, the spots have to come from somewhere (standby).

I'm all for an all-reservation system. The standby lines are way too long these days that I never go into any of them anyway.

Here's hoping that they make booking 4 FP+ permanent.
 
You have 100 people in line for a ride. 75 people in the FP Lane. 25 people in the standby line. You move the first 10 people in the standby lane to the FP Lane (increasing the FP volume). The last person in the standby line is now #15 instead of #25. Are you saying his wait is going to dramatically increase assuming the ratio of the entry between FP and standby guests remain the same?

Again you really aren't understanding how this works. You are assuming there are only 100 people, that number of people doesn't change, there is no crowd flow, that they once the 100 are gone there is no one else ie: people continue to line up as those 100 go through the line, and you have no statement of the capacity for the ride, and last but very importantly you are only including ONE ride. In your example this all happens at once, instead of as a function of crowd flows and ride capacity.

I don't have time to go fully into this, have to get to work :) But even one simple example of how FP impacts SB wait times.

Ok MOST simple way to explain this ... actually 2 ways.

So a ride with a 100 ride capacity per hour, used to be 75:25 split FP to SB ... you say, move 10 of those people to FPs, wouldn't change wait.
The assumption here is that its the FIRST 10 in line that move to FP, but of course that's not how FP+ works. IF its the last 10 in line, if even 1 of the last 1 in line gets the FP, lines increase for everyone else. Of course, this is more impactful exponentially since we are dealing with rides in the 1000s of people per hour.

Another simple example. OK so 2 rides, one with and one without FPs. You have to understand what the impact of increased FPs means. It means more people in the park. You can be both a physical person, and a virtual person.
Look at any hour, 12 -1. If I have an FP for 12:45. I can go stand in line for another ride at 12, and wait and ride that, and then walk over to my FP, skip the line and ride that. In that sense I am virtually 2 people in the park at the same time. As far as it goes for demand on rides, I actually AM 2 people in the park at the same time.

So 2 rides with I guess 200 people in the park, since we are using simple numbers, each with 100 ride per hour capacity.

Ride 1 - 75% FP, 25% SB
Ride 2 - all SB.

As it was, those 75% people could have been trying to ride Ride 2 WHILE they had reservations for Ride 1 ... already increasing the wait time. Instead of 100 people trying to ride the ride, you have 175 ... giving you an average wait time of 45 mins of wait you now have to disperse between those people. (please please please understand this is not a real wait time, this would assume no load time, no spacing between rides, perfect crowd flow, etc.) So you went from 0 wait to a 30 second wait average per person. Of course this isn't how it plays out, that wait actually builds exponentially as people arrive and the line backs up.

Now Increase the ratio, to 85% FP and 15% SB. Instead of 75 people being able to wait for ride 2 while they have a virtual person in line at ride 1, its now 85. You now have 51 mins of wait time to disperse, instead of 45.

This says nothing about the impact of crowd flows, multiple overlaps, multiple FP bookings, the disincentive of SB lines, etc.

But increasing the number of available FPs naturally increases the wait times of rides because it increases the total number of people (though some are virtual) in the park, and changes the ride/demand dynamics.

Hope I made this clear enough. LT was much better at explaining this.

And again, this has no impact as long as you are well below capacity, but its impact increases the closer you come to hitting capacity, that's when you have the overflow demand that has to be soaked up somehow.
 
It is a very narcissistic point of view. When I go to WDW, a ride can close suddenly or a ride under refurbishment might open back up early the day after we leave. Heck, 7DMT opened for previews the day after my visit a while back - the day after. I was disappointed, but I didn't feel victimized. I don't log onto the Dis to tell the world that WDW didn't think of ME when they made these decisions.

The difference is those are things they can't really control. Refurbs they generally announce well in advance, because they tacitly recognize that its crap to do that to someone who has paid for a trip to pull the rug out from them.

This isn't just about THEM .... it applies to EVERYONE who went ahead and booked at 30, or 60, etc.
 

At first, yes, but with the surprise FP that was all you got. With this you can change that FP to anything that's available, and that might include something much more desirable, like POC, HM, or one of the mountains.

Very much agree, if this was a bonus FP that you can change, its a big improvement from a paper one you couldn't. As far as having FPs goes at least.
 
I'm all for an all-reservation system. The standby lines are way too long these days that I never go into any of them anyway.

Here's hoping that they make booking 4 FP+ permanent.

I agree, if this is the system, then 4 is better than 3.
 
I wonder if the idea behind this is to move some capacity that has been used as SDFPs and move it into prebooked capacity. This might help lock people in even more, may also help to reduce the demand at the kiosks.

Bonus, from Disney's perspective, would be reducing the potential benefit of trying to get extra SDFPs with extra bands. Just give everyone more prebooked.
 
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I wonder if the idea behind this is to move some capacity that has been used as SDFPs and move it into prebooked capacity. This might help lock people in even more, may also help to reduce the demand at the kiosks.

Bonus, from Disney's perspective, would be reducing the potential benefit of trying to get extra SDFPs with extra bands. Just give everyone more prebooked.

^This is exactly what I was thinking.
 
I might have missed this but do you have to use all 4 (or let the times expire at least) before you can try to get something at the kiosk? I think that I have an idea of what this is about if the 4th FP+ is like the other 3.
 
I might have missed this but do you have to use all 4 (or let the times expire at least) before you can try to get something at the kiosk? I think that I have an idea of what this is about if the 4th FP+ is like the other 3.
I do recall reading somewhere that yes, all 4 have to be used before you can get additional ones.
 
I do recall reading somewhere that yes, all 4 have to be used before you can get additional ones.
Or expired right? As long as you use one if I understand it right.

Disney can input any old time for that 4th FP+ and many people will likely just go along with it. This could be a brilliant way to control the crowds with attractions that don't get as crowded.
 
Or expired right? As long as you use one if I understand it right.

Yes, I believe so...same rules as exist for the 3 prebooked FP+ applied to the 4 from what I saw

Disney can input any old time for that 4th FP+ and many people will likely just go along with it. This could be a brilliant way to control the crowds with attractions that don't get as crowded.
From the reports here it does seem the 4th is rides like Monster's Inc and Philharmagic..so that reasoning would make sense. It is nice that you can try to change them, at least,depending on availability. That will help those who know/understand that is an option.
 
Bonus, from Disney's perspective, would be reducing the potential benefit of trying to get extra SDFPs with extra bands. Just give everyone more prebooked.

In party season I definitely would have preferred just having more prebooked. The short hours combined with the party nights made 4th FP+ more difficult. The initial 3 needed to be used earlier in the day than we had bargained for and by the time we could go to kiosks, there was nothing left. If it were possible to have 4 then, that would have been nice.
 
Yes, I believe so...same rules as exist for the 3 prebooked FP+ applied to the 4 from what I saw


From the reports here it does seem the 4th is rides like Monster's Inc and Philharmagic..so that reasoning would make sense. It is nice that you can try to change them, at least,depending on availability. That will help those who know/understand that is an option.
We had a time of it one day when we hopped to Epcot from AK. We ended up running late and used only one FP at AK but for some reason the system didn't purge that FP. The system wouldn't let us go for any other FP+ even though all of the times had expired. I definitely headed to guest services to have that corrected!

I had no idea that you had to use at least one no matter what. :badpc:
 
Or expired right? As long as you use one if I understand it right.

Disney can input any old time for that 4th FP+ and many people will likely just go along with it. This could be a brilliant way to control the crowds with attractions that don't get as crowded.

That's a good point, try to push people into things they might not otherwise try.

Maybe they will add more attractions to FP as well to create more FPs.
 
Well... I still have my original 3.. and they are the times that I want.. so not going to risk not getting those just for an extra.. will be there in 2 days anyway....
 
Thanks Shaden for your reply to the note about what I wrote. Again new to this forum and surprised how nonfriendly it seems.

Here today. I never got the 4th bonus. Never heard about it. Never came up on my phone, my experiences or when I went to get a 4th pass. Not sure how it worked.

It is crazy busy. Our Springbreak always this week hate when Easter is the same week.

Our key today. Got up at 5 am
Got to MK at 6:30 for 7 am open.

If anyone cares can let you know what we did before it got very crazy with the crowd.

I think we are all just trying to help each other out so I hope we can all play nice. Thanks
 
Thanks Shaden for your reply to the note about what I wrote. Again new to this forum and surprised how nonfriendly it seems.

Here today. I never got the 4th bonus. Never heard about it. Never came up on my phone, my experiences or when I went to get a 4th pass. Not sure how it worked.

It is crazy busy. Our Springbreak always this week hate when Easter is the same week.

Our key today. Got up at 5 am
Got to MK at 6:30 for 7 am open.

If anyone cares can let you know what we did before it got very crazy with the crowd.

I think we are all just trying to help each other out so I hope we can all play nice. Thanks

It's not that unfriendly overall, not without debate but lots of super helpful folks on here as well ;) The Ignore function can help if you find yourself clashing with specific commenters (if you click on your name you will see it there).

I'd like to hear what you got done before the crowds. The wait times looked crazy yesterday!
 
Thanks Shaden for your reply to the note about what I wrote. Again new to this forum and surprised how nonfriendly it seems.

Here today. I never got the 4th bonus. Never heard about it. Never came up on my phone, my experiences or when I went to get a 4th pass. Not sure how it worked.

It is crazy busy. Our Springbreak always this week hate when Easter is the same week.

Our key today. Got up at 5 am
Got to MK at 6:30 for 7 am open.

If anyone cares can let you know what we did before it got very crazy with the crowd.

I think we are all just trying to help each other out so I hope we can all play nice. Thanks


If you could share what you did, that would be great. I know that is often of interest for folks planning trips at peak times to know now much or how little to expect with crowds.
 
The difference is those are things they can't really control. Refurbs they generally announce well in advance, because they tacitly recognize that its crap to do that to someone who has paid for a trip to pull the rug out from them.

This isn't just about THEM .... it applies to EVERYONE who went ahead and booked at 30, or 60, etc.

Actually, earlier this month Disney scheduled a Space Mountain refurb for April, well after many of us had made FastPass reservations. Here's the thread about it.
 
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