3rd and Final Star Wars Trailer

[umichigan10]

Also word of Vader's ruthless nature traveled building him up as the main guy. While we know he was a puppet, characters in the movies/comics/books thought he was the mastermind. So with that, it would make some sense for Kylo Ren to look up to him. As far as they are concerned, Vader was the face of the Empire. Not necessarily the emperor.

He also was looking for ways to dethrone the emperor and become the top dog himself. So I agree there if you wanna idolize someone, I'd go with vader

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Here's my hunch:

This movie is all about solo and that's the way ford wanted it...I also think the "other" big rumor is correct and he signed on to get what he always wanted after 1980...

That skywalker is out there but not a big part of this movie in person...yet he is more of a "spectre" that is still the key figure in the galaxy. That's a reaction to what they did in the prequels...making the Jedi disposable action characters instead of Mystics who are on another plane...fighting an ultimately different battle than a war on the ground that became more like an invasion of Kuwait.

I see "the force awakening at the end of this film and the other films being the ones that go insane. Just like 4-6.
So as we know now after Jedi..."the force" is basically one person. I think that's the whole key to this story. I see Luke being like the Phoenix from the X men comics...an indescribable power that became the collector of the Force and wrestles with their responsibility to control all the demons that comes with it. The story of the 3 movies will resolve what looked like it was already resolved in Jedi...but in reality they're gonna take it on another plane. I think that would be an awesome way to go after 30 years and to kick dirt on the grave of the Lucas debaucles.

Also...I think the "lightsaber battle" in the third trailer explains a lot...

Do you think Finn is gonna go out like that? He also has no idea what he's doing..

Which means the third man in is the key...does it not?

Just musings on a slow day

 

[Josh Hendy]

This isn't Lucas we are dealing with and his incessant need to "rhyme" with the older movies.

You mean ... there might not be the (until now) obligatory arms, hands, and the occasional head sliced off?

 

[LittleDreamer]

That's where everything went off the rails.

It's easy to go off the rails when you don't have a conductor. There was main vision or control in the EU before Disney. The old EU while discarded has not been forgotten. Disney just wanted to toss it all out so they didn't have to write around what was there. Any pieces that they liked could easily find their way back in, but changed just enough. I know some Star Wars fans are excitied because they are projecting parts of the Thrawn onto The First Order.

As for Jedi's they keep seeming to pop up. The Jedi Order was destroyed by Order 66 but plenty survived. And it seems Rebels kept the concept of the Emperor having force sensitive/potential jedi agents.

 

[eXo]

Force sensitive agents .... even the friggin serving droid that opens Episode 1 can "sense" a Jedi, as he tells the trade fedration guys that there are two men, likely Jedi's, waiting for them. And that's enough info right there for them to try and Gas them and blow up their ship.

 

[DanBoris]

Got about 90 minutes available?

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones/

While the list of technical and logical problems are numerous, I personally take issue with the fact that this entire Army has been commissioned and yet Palpatine still goes through these ridiculous hoops to try and manipulate the senate into using this army to attack the FIRST army he commissioned to attack/embargo Naboo while simultaneously lying to Dooku, the trade Federation, and even Grievous (as we find out in the next movie). Palpatine's actions continually change course and show absolutely zero continuity across the three movies. Every movie they introduce a new bad guy that, in the end, is operating as a satellite with no knowledge of the end game.

When the TLDR of why a movie is so core to the main story that it takes nearly a paragraph just to sort out the basic contradictions.... that's pretty damn bad.

Forget the fact that Lucas can't stage a scene, write dialog, or direct an actor to save his life.

The only way Episode II "gets better" is when your brain shuts down and stops trying to make sense of anything and goes into mindless action mode. I'm guilty of doing it myself, and then wondering why (as I walked out of the theater) I had this nagging feeling that everything was wrong.

The irony is most people will argue the prequels got better as they went along, but the simple truth is each one is forced to build on the fallacies established before it, meaning by the time we get to Episode 3 the reasons and logic for the universe are so friggin convoluted that I would have to make a web chart showing how every single dumb decision and ignored piece of information that Obi Wan, Anakin, Padme, and Yoda/Mace/Jedi Council led to the end game scenario.

Even worse? You can ignore 2.5 movies of illogical decisions and fast forward straight to Anakin's time with Palpatine and the conversations he was with Obi Wan and Mace to see Jedi's at their most ridiculous.

Lucas knew the end game but he didn't know how to build a story arc to get there. So he told a very linear story padded with tons of convenient shenanigans and meaningless dialog. When you have a trilogy that can essentially exist perfectly fine by dropping the first or even second episode... then that is pretty sad. Episode II adds nothing to the Star Wars mythos. A montage of scenes at the beginning of Episode II showing what great friends Anakin and obi Wan have been, and how virtuous Anakin has been would have done more and established more than the entirety of the first two movies.

Now excuse me while I drink a draino cocktail and try to forget all this again.

And what does any of this have to do with the Clone Wars TV series?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I loved the Thrawne trilogy and the Dark Empire comic miniseries, but then things got out of hand, like you said.

I actually didn't like the thrawn stuff...

It was too much of a rehash of the original movies...new republic...old empire...happy family with the kids...lando...emperor clone...blah blah blah...

They might as well had boba fett and Vader have a secret love child.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

And what does any of this have to do with the Clone Wars TV series?

I thought you meant the cartoons and he went rogue about the movies...

Lol. Still a great take though.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

He also was looking for ways to dethrone the emperor and become the top dog himself. So I agree there if you wanna idolize someone, I'd go with vader

Correct...but I just read a scathing review of Vader in rotj the other day that I honestly never had thought of that makes complete sense...

That he was the complete, scheming Villian in empire and he became the most toothless, helpless old man in Jedi...

That makes a lot of sense. Vader didn't have an evil moment in Jedi and though I love mcdiarmids palpatine...it didn't do enough to counteract the non Vader.

So...then Lucas doubles down and makes an angry young man that hadn't a clue in the prequels.

He's a great Villian in 4 and 5...and a mindless victim in 1,2,3, and 6.

Hmmm...that's why I give ZERO credence to the theory that Luke is the ultimate bad guy and is now secretly trying to balance the force the evil way like the the evil version of vindicated old dad...

Nah...they can't sell that in any way a creative human could convince themselves of...
Which is great that kasdan and Abrams are calling the shot and that Lucas and his Paul pressler-sequel stoolie Rick mccallum is gone.

 

[eXo]

Thought you were referring to the clone wars, as depicted in Episode 2, rather than the show which I've never seen and so I didn't even consider.

However, a brief glance at the critical scores of the show reveal something I don't think I want to have anything to do with:

18% at Rotten Tomatos? That's only 1 percent higher than Adam Sandler's last movie.... yikes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/clone_wars/

Granted, that's the opening movie and the series apparently picked up later - but it also, according to many sites, left a lot of unanswered questions.

While I can't answer why the original poster didn't like it, it doesn't seem like his opinion is all that uncommon.

 

[umichigan10]

Correct...but I just read a scathing review of Vader in rotj the other day that I honestly never had thought of that makes complete sense...

That he was the complete, scheming Villian in empire and he became the most toothless, helpless old man in Jedi...

That makes a lot of sense. Vader didn't have an evil moment in Jedi and though I love mcdiarmids palpatine...it didn't do enough to counteract the non Vader.

So...then Lucas doubles down and makes an angry young man that hadn't a clue in the prequels.

He's a great Villian in 4 and 5...and a mindless victim in 1,2,3, and 6.

Hmmm...that's why I give ZERO credence to the theory that Luke is the ultimate bad guy and is now secretly trying to balance the force the evil way like the the evil version of vindicated old dad...

Nah...they can't sell that in any way a creative human could convince themselves of...
Which is great that kasdan and Abrams are calling the shot and that Lucas and his Paul pressler-sequel stoolie Rick mccallum is gone.

He goals through a weird character evolution I guess. To this like soft old man like you said or just a lack of continuity and forcing the story on Lucas' part.

I also liked the idea of the force unleashed video game of Vader having a secret apprentice. The fact of him having a ' Jedi assassin' was kinda cool. Even though in the game i think it tried to go to far to explain things that didnt need explaining (Galen 'creating' the rebellion was a stretch to me). It'd be cool to go with that concept as a movie or something. Just a thought.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

He goals through a weird character evolution I guess. To this like soft old man like you said or just a lack of continuity and forcing the story on Lucas' part.

I also liked the idea of the force unleashed video game of Vader having a secret apprentice. The fact of him having a ' Jedi assassin' was kinda cool. Even though in the game i think it tried to go to far to explain things that didnt need explaining (Galen 'creating' the rebellion was a stretch to me). It'd be cool to go with that concept as a movie or something. Just a thought.

See...now that's the trap.

The EU is made for the captive audience of forcedom.

The mainstream movies cannot...and that's what these new movies need to be: well explained enough to be acceptable to the mainstream who may "just want to see a movie"

I think the lord of the rings movies and the Nolan batman series managed to do that...whereas the hobbit and undoubtedly this AFFLECK disaster coming out will fail.

 

[Eoghann]

He goals through a weird character evolution I guess. To this like soft old man like you said or just a lack of continuity and forcing the story on Lucas' part.

Lucas seems to like just jumping to the end point of character arcs without doing the groundwork first. Vader's redemption really comes out of nowhere and similarly Anakin's fall despite being built up for 2 & 1/2 movies is never actually grounded in any credible way.

 

[DanBoris]

Thought you were referring to the clone wars, as depicted in Episode 2, rather than the show which I've never seen and so I didn't even consider.

However, a brief glance at the critical scores of the show reveal something I don't think I want to have anything to do with:

18% at Rotten Tomatos? That's only 1 percent higher than Adam Sandler's last movie.... yikes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/clone_wars/

Granted, that's the opening movie and the series apparently picked up later - but it also, according to many sites, left a lot of unanswered questions.

While I can't answer why the original poster didn't like it, it doesn't seem like his opinion is all that uncommon.

Yes, that is the theatrical release that was made up from material that would have gone into the early episodes, and I agree wasn't that great, but it got much better. The movie has a 5.8 rating on IMDB but the series as a whole has a 7.9.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Internet "ratings" are not to be trusted though...

Ep 1 is a 51% on metacritic...ep 2 - which doubled down on everything stupid from 1 EXCEPT jar jar franchisekiller - is a 53%

If either of those ever get more than 25% on ANY rating system...it proves its bogus.

Trust your eyes and a 2nd grade understanding of the English language...and you get a more accurate review of those two movies.

 

[jtwibih]

I just couldn't handle how whiny Anakin was in those movies. That's always been my main complaint. Obviously a mixture of a bad choice of actor and writing. AOTC made zero sense. It was supposed to be the movie that capitalized on everything fans had been hoping for given the hype regarding the war. It took an INCREDIBLE animated series to make that story right. I get that you couldn't cram all of that into a movie but I think they totally got Anakin right in that series. I didn't mind ROTS so much but it still missed the mark. The beginning started out so promising and I loved the scene with Palpatine and Anakin talking about Plageus. There were some good moments in 1 and 3 but I agree that for the most part, it's a huge miss.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I just couldn't handle how whiny Anakin was in those movies. That's always been my main complaint. Obviously a mixture of a bad choice of actor and writing. AOTC made zero sense. It was supposed to be the movie that capitalized on everything fans had been hoping for given the hype regarding the war. It took an INCREDIBLE animated series to make that story right. I get that you couldn't cram all of that into a movie but I think they totally got Anakin right in that series. I didn't mind ROTS so much but it still missed the mark. The beginning started out so promising and I loved the scene with Palpatine and Anakin talking about Plageus. There were some good moments in 1 and 3 but I agree that for the most part, it's a huge miss.

Lol...agree completely...you just basically summarized the Stuckmann reviews on YouTube. They are good watches if you have the time.

The other thing - and my main point - is just how STUPID they make the Jedi in the movies.

Obi wan in a new hope makes them a mystical, wise group of clerics that provide stability until an unbelieveable tragedy befalls them...

Lucas writes dialogue for mace windu worse than "snakes on a plane!!!"

 

[Suger Mag]

Vader is such a hard character to get right... the more they try to tell you, it backfires. Almost better to keep him shrouded in mystery

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Vader is such a hard character to get right... the more they try to tell you, it backfires. Almost better to keep him shrouded in mystery

I agree...

Unfortunately Lucas ruined that with Vader being born on 12/25 in Nazareth

 

[Suger Mag]

I agree...

Unfortunately Lucas ruined that with Vader being born on 12/25 in Nazareth

DID that really happen? I really try hard to block out movies 1-3... just pretend they didn't happen, 4-6 are always the first movies in my mind. The only thing I want to remember is how much I liked the costuming of Amidala.