2042 and Extensions

There's a lot of gap between a perfectly good resort pool, like say GF, and the expensive beast of Stormalong Bay. I guess we will see in 20 years! Maybe your self-driving Disney pod car will take you to the waterpark instead.

That's my point --- What constitutes a "perfect good pool" will likely only move further upward over the next 20 years. 30 years ago, a "perfectly good resort pool" was any hole with a water.

By 2042, SAB may even be considered a below-average resort pool.....
 
In my 40+ years in construction (I’m Senior Vice President of a national construction consulting and construction forensic firm, and a licensed General Contractor in 5 states including Florida with a degree in architecture)

For fun then, please rate my backyard mechanic play fort I'm building for the kids

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Still working on it. I always wanted a treehouse with a bridge growing up so I'm having some fun building this for them.

For a more on-topic .02 - I cant help but feel like they will go full tower to max out the space available and make mucho $$$

I do hope they decide to keep VB and HHI in the family.
 
I think the most likely scenario is a modest discount for existing owners to “extend” in 2042, as in buy the new contract that will be offered. But no one knows. In 20 years a lot can change.
 
20 years is not that long. As far as building code that pushes Disney renovate rather than rebuild. But let’s be honest BWV is 25 years older than RR and there were not wild differences.
 

As you said, it’s unlikely and while it may be more popular, those points charts alone are the biggest reason, IMO, it won’t happen.
This alone is reason enough for them not to extend.

I’m not sure exactly what the average point cost per room/season at BW, but it’s low enough they could easily increase by 10-15% points-wise without much harm to the resort’s desirability. Plus if more rooms were added in the 2042 rebuild, that point chart increase would add even more points for sale. I don’t think they’d leave this easy money behind.
 
Seems logical to me both BWV/BCV will be completely new resorts after 2042. Maybe Disney does one resort first and keeps the other open for cash reservations during construction.
I expect BCV will be there first demolished and rebuilt. The DVC building is behind everything else and wouldn’t disturb the rest of the resort that much. Adding several floors would provide Epcot View rooms that are not presently there and increase the number of rooms. They could even do a garage underneath and expand the footprint.

BWV has the boardwalk which is really popular. Any change to the building may have a negative impact on the atmosphere that could be undesired. They may just heavily renovate that one.
 
I expect BCV will be there first demolished and rebuilt. The DVC building is behind everything else and wouldn’t disturb the rest of the resort that much. Adding several floors would provide Epcot View rooms that are not presently there and increase the number of rooms. They could even do a garage underneath and expand the footprint.

BWV has the boardwalk which is really popular. Any change to the building may have a negative impact on the atmosphere that could be undesired. They may just heavily renovate that one.
Could be, but both buildings will be 50 years old. Perfect time to rebuild.
 
Any chance Disney can take back Beach Club and Boardwalk and turn them into cash resorts? Their locations are so good that if this is possible, they may not be able to resist.
 
Yes. They do not have to turn them into new DVC resorts again once they expire in 2042.
If what CMs say is true - BC is the only WDW hotel that consistently sells out on the cash side. Does not seem to be where the wind is blowing
 
If what CMs say is true - BC is the only WDW hotel that consistently sells out on the cash side. Does not seem to be where the wind is blowing
I have heard that some of the resorts have issues selling out on the cash side, but just about every time I would try to book a cash stay in less than 2 months away there is nothing available.
 
Any chance Disney can take back Beach Club and Boardwalk and turn them into cash resorts? Their locations are so good that if this is possible, they may not be able to resist.

Disney doesn't want anymore hotel inventory. They can't fill what they already have. In fact, they're trying to offload it especially at these mega resorts.

Boardwalk Inn has roughly 375 hotel rooms. If Disney was to absorb Boardwalk Villas into Boardwalk Inn, you're talking trying to rent out 900+ rooms per night.

It's not going to happen. There's too much competition (nearby 5 star hotels, AirBNB, places like Margaritaville, etc.).
 
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If what CMs say is true - BC is the only WDW hotel that consistently sells out on the cash side. Does not seem to be where the wind is blowing
YC sels out cash consistenty, if by "cash" we include "convention."
 
If what CMs say is true - BC is the only WDW hotel that consistently sells out on the cash side. Does not seem to be where the wind is blowing

I was responding to the question as to whether they had to keep them DVC and they don’t. They can do whatever they want.

But, I agree that converting them to cash is unlikely.
 
If what CMs say is true - BC is the only WDW hotel that consistently sells out on the cash side. Does not seem to be where the wind is blowing
In the most recent quarter (ending July 2, 2022), Disney hotel occupancy was 90%.

Most hotel operators would envy this.
 
In materials / construction/ energy efficiency. We have as a culture, have been predicting the Jetsons are right around the corner since the 60s . They are not.
20 years is not that long. As far as building code that pushes Disney renovate rather than rebuild. But let’s be honest BWV is 25 years older than RR and there were not wild differences.
OK, well that's wholly inaccurate, but ok. I guess they're both multi-story and both located in Florida...

I could spend 40 hours explaining the differences in the Codes between 1996 and 2019, but that would bore everyone. As someone involved in the design, construction, performance testing and subsequent investigation of structures here in the US, just because they aren't using replicators in the restaurants, a transporter to get you from your hotel to the parks, or other manifest changes to the appearance or functionality of the facility, doesn't mean the changes aren't there.

It's the changes that you can't see that are the ones that require the greatest modification and/or replacement to maintain code-compliance. As I stated (I thought clearly) previously, the issues will relate to energy efficiency of HVAC, plumbing, and electrical systems, building envelope (roofing, fenestration, and exterior cladding) and other weather-resistive elements, and integration of whole-building smart technology, etc. Throw in the smart functionality as it relates to the occupants and the changes will be even more pronounced. We are already seeing smart integration in new hotels built all over the world, both in building operation systems and in guest services and front-facing amenities.

As to the societal changes between 1996 and today: how many people had cell phones in 1996? You couldn't even buy the first Blackberry until 1999. How many of us had high-speed internet versus that 9600 baud dial up modem, WiFi everywhere we go, electrical vehicles, driverless vehicles? Even your average car has smart cruise control, lane control, and collision avoidance today.

In 1996, how many of us walked into the house and said "Hey Google" or "Hey Alexa" and got any response whatsoever, never mind controlling our lights, our heating and air conditioning (and now humidity), playing music, starting the coffee pot, locking or unlocking our doors, etc. Want to check your fridge inventory and order food? No problem. How about doing all that from the office or your car (and while you're at it, closing the garage door you accidentally left open)? In 1996, you were lucky if you could get an audio baby monitor ( I know, I think we bought them all), never mind a camera. Now our homes are filled with cameras inside and out (arguably not a good thing) and we can scare away porch pirates using our doorbell. Touch screens, 3D holographic images, the list goes on and on. Want to watch a movie? In 1996, you probably still used a combination of VHS tapes and maybe a brand-new DVD player (you'd have to wait until 2003 for a fancy new BlueRay). Now, we stream all of our entertainment and almost no one keeps hard media. We've gone from 5" drives to 3.5" floppy disks to ZIPP drives to CD/DVD drives to no external drives at all. Today you can buy a micro SD card that has 2 TB of storage, equal to 1,456,354 floppy disks or 2,996 CDs.

It's not the Jetsons, but it sure isn't the Flintstones either (which is what 1996 looks like technologically in 2022). To suggest that the past 25 years has not been a watershed period for technological advancement ignores just how remarkably different things are today versus the 1990's. Construction technology is advancing at the same pace.

I'd argue 20 years is a VERY long time.
 
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