2027 Points Charts Predictions

[pkrieger2287]

This might be a big ask… is it possible to highlight any point boxes that have changed from the year prior?

TIA and thanks for all else you do

Been told this should be an easy styling fix... they are going to give it a try!

 

[pkrieger2287]

It looks like they just copied Jambo's Data and made a new page with a different color.

Is there any way to remove the Value and Club level rooms from the Kidani page?
Another thing that was copied was the "All sleep up to 4" and "All sleep up to 8" where at Kidani the 1 bedroom should be "Sleeps up to 5" and the 2 bedroom "Sleeps up to 9"

I realize I can hide values myself but it would be easier for folks that are not familiar with the differences between the two resorts.

Other than that it is a great job by your team!!

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Good catch! They are going to rework these pages to better represent the resorts individually.

 

[Carouselofplanning]

Whenever the multisite POS is in contradition with a resort POS, the latter wins. Changes to the "real" POS are strictly regulated and it's were most of our rights are held (mostly because they were written before current management took helm, by people who wanted to create a system people could trust).

I will say it’s clear the current senior leadership views the customer experience VERY differently than the one that started DVC.

 

[Sandisw]

Good to know.

I can’t see anything in any of the resort POS documents relating to reallocation of points across seasons or vacation homes though.

Here are two parts of the VGF POS, in the DVC Membership Agreement. But what stuck out is that they can increase or decrease the lock off premium and that the 20% rule doesn’t seem to apply?

It also seems to imply that the lock off premium increase or decrease doesn’t have to be offset?

 

[JackosinDIS]

Here are two parts of the VGF POS, in the DVC Membership Agreement. But what stuck out is that they can increase or decrease the lock off premium or that the 20% rule doesn’t seem to apply.

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Thank you Sandi, I will search for that language in the PVB membership agreement.

I think it’s massively different, in that it expressly states that any reallocation must not result in the total number of reservation points for any given Unit being increased.

In the case of PVB, this reallocation results in all the longhouse Units being increased above 100% of the ownership interests in that Unit.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Here is the relevant language from the PVB POS / Membership agreement.

Interestingly it doesn’t include the VGF language which excludes increases in the lock-off premium from the 20% cap.

It is however very clear to me that the increases on PVB points (particularly the longhouse studios which are entirely separate Units) are NOT permitted under the terms of the POS.

 

[Sandisw]

Here is the relevant language from the PVB POS / Membership agreement.

Interestingly it doesn’t include the VGF language which excludes increases in the lock-off premium from the 20% cap.

It is however very clear to me that the increases on PVB points (particularly the longhouse studios which are entirely separate Units) are NOT permitted under the terms of the POS.

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Are you only comparing to 2026 or against the max reallocation chart?

That chart shows what it would be if all nights were equal which is probably the most accurate in total points assigned to those rooms.

The other part, which I don’t know, is the units and how they were declared. Units are more than one room…they can be a contain multiple types.

PVB original is only studios and bungalows. I don’t think they put any studios and bungalows in the same RU, but I don’t know for sure.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Are you only comparing to 2026 or against the max reallocation chart?

That chart shows what it would be if all nights were equal which is probably the most accurate in total points assigned to those rooms.

The other part, which I don’t know, is the units and how they were declared. Units are more than one room…they can be a contain multiple types.

PVB original is only studios and bungalows. I don’t think they put any studios and bungalows in the same RU, but I don’t know for sure.

The units are separated between bungalows and studios. Some units contain only 1 bungalow. Some units are 3 studios. I have not seen any mixed. In any case, the points went up for the bungalows as well.

If a Unit was sold as 1000 points, it is not permitted for a reallocation to cause that Unit to have more than 1000 points. Given that points have only gone up, and there has been no decrease for another use day of any other vacation home in the Unit, then there is no way it can remain balanced surely?

The important language is “the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing 100% of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation”

Unless I’m missing something. Someone please shout up if I am!

 

[Sandisw]

The units are separated between bungalows and studios. Some units contain only 1 bungalow. Some units are 3 studios. I have not seen any mixed. In any case, the points went up for the bungalows as well.

If a Unit was sold as 1000 points, it is not permitted for a reallocation to cause that Unit to have more than 1000 points. Given that points have only gone up, and there has been no decrease for another use day of any other vacation home in the Unit, then there is no way it can remain balanced surely?

The important language is “the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing 100% of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation”

Unless I’m missing something. Someone please shout up if I am!

Okay…I wasn’t sure if there were any bungalow and studio mixes.

Do you know if the units were declared as specific views? Typically they are not.

Would there be a way they could change classifications behind the scenes to then make it balance?

How does it compare though to the max chart? Or at very least a year with the least number of Friday and Saturdays?

That would help to define how many “extra points” you are seeing in the chart for the year.

PVB originals though is the perfect place to test the across vacation homes and units since there are only two types. So, easier to calculate because you don’t have lock offs that are in the charts as their 2 bedroom equivalent.

 

[Tatebeck]

Just before that section in the MS POS, it says they can move across units. I found nothing in the Poly POS document about reallocation so they must be using the MS POS

In order to meet Club Member needs and expectations as evidenced by fluctuations in demand at the Club Member’s Home Resort, DVCM may, in its discretion, increase or decrease the Home Resort Vacation Point requirements for reservation of a given Vacation Home on a given Use Day during a given calendar year by any amount not to exceed twenty percent (20%) of the Home Resort Vacation Points required to reserve that Vacation Home on that Use Day during the previous calendar year. This reallocation may be made across all or any Vacation Homes types or Units. However, any increase or decrease in the Home Resort Vacation Point reservation requirement for a given Use Day or Vacation Home must be offset by a corresponding increase or decrease for another Use Day or Use Days for that Vacation Home or another Vacation Home or Vacation Homes.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Okay…I wasn’t sure if there were any bungalow and studio mixes.

Do you know if the units were declared as specific views? Typically they are not.

Would there be a way they could change classifications behind the scenes to then make it balance?

How does it compare though to the max chart? Or at very least a year with the least number of Friday and Saturdays?

That would help to define how many “extra points” you are seeing in the chart for the year.

PVB originals though is the perfect place to test the across vacation homes and units since there are only two types. So, easier to calculate because you don’t have lock offs that are in the charts as their 2 bedroom equivalent.

It is more than the max reallocation chart (PVB doesn’t have one technically, but sets out elsewhere the max points for each type of room assuming points are levelled across seasons).

The max points for a bungalow is 147 for one Use Day. 147 x 365 =53,655

The total number of points for a bungalow in 2027 is 53780.

So slightly higher.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Just before that section in the MS POS, it says they can move across units. I found nothing in the Poly POS document about reallocation so they must be using the MS POS

In order to meet Club Member needs and expectations as evidenced by fluctuations in demand at the Club Member’s Home Resort, DVCM may, in its discretion, increase or decrease the Home Resort Vacation Point requirements for reservation of a given Vacation Home on a given Use Day during a given calendar year by any amount not to exceed twenty percent (20%) of the Home Resort Vacation Points required to reserve that Vacation Home on that Use Day during the previous calendar year. This reallocation may be made across all or any Vacation Homes types or Units. However, any increase or decrease in the Home Resort Vacation Point reservation requirement for a given Use Day or Vacation Home must be offset by a corresponding increase or decrease for another Use Day or Use Days for that Vacation Home or another Vacation Home or Vacation Homes.

I have copied the Poly POS wording on reallocation in a previous post… it is there in the membership agreement.

It specifically states that any reallocation must not result in an increase to the number of points in any given Unit. Which it does.

And as @zavandor pointed out to me, I’m working on the basis that the resort POS trumps the multi site POS. I don’t know if that’s the case or not.

 

[Tatebeck]

I have copied the Poly POS wording on reallocation in a previous post… it is there in the membership agreement.

It specifically states that any reallocation must not result in an increase to the number of points in any given Unit. Which it does.

I was searching in a Poly POS document but couldn't find that wording anywhere. Is it possible they have removed it so they could go by the MS POS?? What version did you have? This is the 2024 https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...ral-docs/POLYV_POS_Rev_04_2024_10-01-2024.pdf

 

[JackosinDIS]

I was searching in a Poly POS document but couldn't find that wording anywhere. Is it possible they have removed it so they could go by the MS POS?? What version did you have? This is the 2024 https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...ral-docs/POLYV_POS_Rev_04_2024_10-01-2024.pdf

It’s page 286 of the pdf. The search function doesn’t work annoyingly on that document.