2013 point charts

[supersuperwendy]

At this stage of our lives lowering hot summer months sounds great. Now once the kids are grown they can reallocate back to lower points for food and wine!

 

[GrnMtnMan]

Base buy-ins are going to be hard pressed after the reallocations to get what they use to get (100 and 160 point buy-ins). My bet is that this is a selling ploy to force owners to buy more points. I see a convergence coming of "high season" v. "low season" with much more space occupied in the middle of the spectrum forcing owners to buy more points inorder to really get what they want.

How will this work at sold-out resorts?

And by 'convergence' are you suggesting that high will be fewer points and low will be more? It all has to balance out in the end, right, or am I missing something?

 

[tjkraz]

My guess is going to be adjustments made to peak DVC booking times of Food and Wine and early December with lowering of hot summer months.

Agree. Late-August ("free dining") is really overpriced. May also, IMO. October and early December simply must go up.

How will this work at sold-out resorts?

For every day that goes up in cost, another will go down. It's all designed to manage demand. High demand periods should be priced higher and low demand = lower cost. Demand will change over time so the timeshare manager really has a fiduciary responsibility to its members to adjust when appropriate. There's just no reason to leave a period like late-August overpriced--and resorts well under fully occupancy--just because that's how the points were originally projected 20 years ago.

 

[dvc at last !]

we can only wait to see...

 

[Cap]

As an example, I'm at HH today, 12/08. The resort seems to be only about 60% occupied. While 13 pts / night for a 1 Bdrm unit seems low, perhaps it should be only 8 pts to encourage more occupancy, and a 1 Bdrm in mid-July should increase by 5 pts / night, since they are always sold out. Periodic rebalance to try to get the resorts fully occupied year round would imply that just about all the points are being used.

 

[Sammie]

As an example, I'm at HH today, 12/08. The resort seems to be only about 60% occupied. While 13 pts / night for a 1 Bdrm unit seems low, perhaps it should be only 8 pts to encourage more occupancy, and a 1 Bdrm in mid-July should increase by 5 pts / night, since they are always sold out. Periodic rebalance to try to get the resorts fully occupied year round would imply that just about all the points are being used.

Yep at HHI, I would not be surprised to see Peak summer months go up and other less favorable times go down even more than they are.

 

[GrnMtnMan]

For every day that goes up in cost, another will go down. It's all designed to manage demand. High demand periods should be priced higher and low demand = lower cost. Demand will change over time so the timeshare manager really has a fiduciary responsibility to its members to adjust when appropriate. There's just no reason to leave a period like late-August overpriced--and resorts well under fully occupancy--just because that's how the points were originally projected 20 years ago.

This was my understnding. What I don't understand is this:

My bet is that this is a selling ploy to force owners to buy more points.

Is it that some buyers bought only enough points to vacation in just the lowest point times of year, and there will be no longer be those cheaper times? If that's the case, won't they instead be able to bank and borrow for the formerly higher point periods? It all has to balance out and all...right?

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Of course they will be able to bank and borrow and do it if that's still an option (Meaning they have enough points to begin with to do this.). That 100 points that use to get you that week in early Dec in a studio may not do so anymore every year like it use to. If you want to go every year at Christmas, you will be forced to buy more points. That's all I'm really saying.

Points reallocations can be colored to look like they are for the good of the association, which as mentioned above, is a fudiciary responsibility of DVC. These reallocations can also benefit DVD in that owners wanting to travel at the same times of year may need more points to do so. We saw some of this with the last reallocation. Many people did add-ons in order to be able to secure what they wanted when they wanted it. Nothing new here, really.

 

[Muhlenberg]

This was my understnding. What I don't understand is this:
Is it that some buyers bought only enough points to vacation in just the lowest point times of year, and there will be no longer be those cheaper times? If that's the case, won't they instead be able to bank and borrow for the formerly higher point periods? It all has to balance out and all...right?

Some of us can only go at certain times of the year. It's not necessarily that we only WANT to go during the cheaper times.

In our case, we can only go in January, limited times in February, March, May and September. Summer is ok anytime. Complicate that with holidays when we don't WANT to go, and we're even further limited. Enter reallocations, and our 220 points don't go as far as they did when we bought ('08)...right before the reallocations. Adding on is out of the question for us for a while, at least.

We aren't unique...there probably are many families that are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Oh well...we've adjusted...and it ultimately means that we go to WDW fewer times. I can't help but wonder if Disney shot themselves in the foot in some cases.

 

[AirGoofy]

Some of us can only go at certain times of the year. It's not necessarily that we only WANT to go during the cheaper times.

In our case, we can only go in January, limited times in February, March, May and September. Summer is ok anytime. Complicate that with holidays when we don't WANT to go, and we're even further limited. Enter reallocations, and our 220 points don't go as far as they did when we bought ('08)...right before the reallocations. Adding on is out of the question for us for a while, at least..

Like others, we can only go certain times of the year with school age children. I don't mind the summer months, but we have SO much going on then. We really need a vacation during the school year when a break (Fall or Spring) permit. We added on after the 2008 allocation, but I won't do that again. I expected that the October time period will be increased to a higher point stay, which may leave us out in the cold.

 

[Brian Noble]

My guess is going to be adjustments made to peak DVC booking times of Food and Wine and early December with lowering of hot summer months.

This is my guess too. It makes no sense to have nearly half of the summer in Value season at CRO rental rates, but Magic Season on DVC point charts.

 

[Starr W.]

This is my guess too. It makes no sense to have nearly half of the summer in Value season at CRO rental rates, but Magic Season on DVC point charts.

We came to the same conclusion. When the 1st 2 weeks of December stayed in Adventure season after the last reallocation, I figured we would get 1-2 yrs of normalcy before they get around to moving weeks in/out of various seasons.


This is okay with me because our school district is "reallocating" next year's school schedule(don't ask! one option is a HS specific schedule and another for K-8 ). When they start with saying we are looking at "best practices" who knows what my schedule will look like!

So my whole DVC planning is on hold at the momment!

 

[tjkraz]

Points reallocations can be colored to look like they are for the good of the association, which as mentioned above, is a fudiciary responsibility of DVC. These reallocations can also benefit DVD in that owners wanting to travel at the same times of year may need more points to do so. We saw some of this with the last reallocation. Many people did add-ons in order to be able to secure what they wanted when they wanted it. Nothing new here, really.

In this case, the reallocation doesn't need to be "colored" to look like anything. Demand patterns show it's clearly needed. Early December has been under-priced for a decade now and other times are in need of adjustment, too.

No question that DVD may benefit from a reallocation but that's not particularly relevant. Reallocations should occur--as needed--regardless of any impact on sales.

 

[bababear_50]

I'm hoping my "Magic Time" stays Magic or moves to a "Dream Season".
March 1-31


A girl can wish right?


Hugs Mel

 

[Tigger1]

Many schools are adjusting vacation time. In Oklahoma City they start School August 1st then have two weeks off in Oct and March. In December they get out of school two weeks before Christmas and a week after Christmas. If our school does the same in the future I would love to go to Florida during these breaks. I could see points going up during all these break times. If our school switches I would love to go during any of these breaks. i could fly or drive with two weeks off.

 

[Starr W.]

Many schools are adjusting vacation time. In Oklahoma City they start School August 1st then have two weeks off in Oct and March. In December they get out of school two weeks before Christmas and a week after Christmas. If our school does the same in the future I would love to go to Florida during these breaks. I could see points going up during all these break times. If our school switches I would love to go during any of these breaks. i could fly or drive with two weeks off.

In the last few years we have gone away from when possible 2 full weeks off at Xmas. They actually changed the schedule 2 yrs ago after I used one of my non-DVC TS's to book a week 51 ski vacation. Luckily I got the RCI insurance and got my week and trading power back.

Called and asked why the late change(done in May for next school year), "parents don't want the kids home for 2 straight weeks."

I see our district has the 2012-2013 calendar on the agenda for school board meeting Monday night. DH says if they plan on major changes, good time to post it before Xmas break and no one will be in the board office to answer irrate phone calls.