2010 DVC Annual Meeting Report

[Tigger1]

If people buy direct for the perks, then resales might go even farther down in price. Then maybe I can add more points.

How soon until Disney buys most of the resales and sales them at the going price. If Disney was to buy them all, they would make a nice profit if they could sell them for $100 or more per point.

 

[jekjones1558]

Ok I know at this stage this is all what if, but if you have 1150 points and someone that purchased 500 from DVC direct is able to get priority bookings, advance bookings for difficult time periods or CL, or get first dips on room requests, that won't bother you.

The only thing that would bother me is a change in my 11 month booking advantage. I am too lazy and stupid to know what is or isn't legal to change according to the POS. We pay high dues at BWV (all but 230 points are there) and I want to be able to book BW view rooms at 11 months. I have no idea what perks might be on the horizon, so maybe I will eat my comments, but I bought DVC with few perks, so am not inclined to get too flustered at this time. If I change my mind when the actual tier system happens, it would not be the first time I have been wrong.

 

[Sammie]

The only thing that would bother me is a change in my 11 month booking advantage. I am too lazy and stupid to know what is or isn't legal to change according to the POS. We pay high dues at BWV (all but 230 points are there) and I want to be able to book BW view rooms at 11 months. I have no idea what perks might be on the horizon, so maybe I will eat my comments, but I bought DVC with few perks, so am not inclined to get too flustered at this time. If I change my mind when the actual tier system happens, it would not be the first time I have been wrong.

I agree, booking would be the only thing that would bother me. Room requests not really, as we hardly ever make any, as long as I get a room, I am ok with it.

If however I was constantly shut out of when I want to go, then yes I would have to consider selling or renting all of my points.

I could care less about early check in or late check out.

 

[friends with mickey]

Loyalty means staying loyal for a long period of time. I hope Disney has a component of their proposed tiered loyalty program that benefits members based on the number of years they have been members. We have been members since February of 1992 and continue to value and enjoy our 270 OKW based points. It would be nice if any loyalty program recognizes the folks that hve been wih DVC since the early years. We can only hope.

 

[Sammie]

Loyalty means staying loyal for a long period of time. I hope Disney has a component of their proposed tiered loyalty program that benefits members based on the number of years they have been members. We have been members since February of 1992 and continue to value and enjoy our 270 OKW based points. It would be nice if any loyalty program recognizes the folks that hve been wih DVC since the early years. We can only hope.

I agree but pretty sure that is not what they have in mind. They are going to base it on the number of points bought directly from DVC and referrals that result in a sale.

Be sure to let them know they you feel it should include years of membership, maybe, we can steer them in that direction.

I believe in being proactive instead of reactive. I am emailing them and letting them know up front what I would be in favor of and what I would be against.

I don't want to wait and then have them say we based this program on member wants and feedback.

 

[ELKHUNTER]

According to JL's answer, if you read between the lines. I bet the tiered program will only reflect referrals that result in direct purchases and nothing more. Like a bigger and better perk if you refer someone that buys direct. I think most people are reading way too much into this. JMHO.

 

[bookwormde]

The answer was so vague that it could be anything. Now if they were talking about purchasing incentives (lower price, free AP's etc) for those who had more points, did referals or even had been members for a long time then that would make sense and would not violate FL timeshare regulations.

bookwormde

 

[gillep]

Thank you all so much for the reports and your valuable insight as long time members. DH and I just became members a year ago and we are doing our best to stay as informed as possible about all aspects of our membership and we have found this board to be wonderful for that. I will wait and see what the final program looks like before I really form an opinion, and we are also going to continue waiting to do our first add on until we have a clearer picture of the direction of the program in this area. I really like the idea of long time members getting better perks than just people who have a lot of points direct from Disney, but we will just have to wait and see.

 

[Candlelady]

I could care less about early check in or late check out.

For every guest that receives a late check out, there is another family that must wait even longer for their room.

If DVC wants to give fast passes, discounts on meals, tickets, etc., that won't impact any other member's vacation. If they start taking back a bit of my pixie dust to sprinkle on someone else, based on points purchased, I'm not gonna be in my 'Happy Place'.

Candlelady

 

[DVC SSR Owner]

Also, I hope whatever "perks" they offer do not increase the dues for everyone else somehow.

 

[ftballfan7]

For every guest that receives a late check out, there is another family that must wait even longer for their room.

If DVC wants to give fast passes, discounts on meals, tickets, etc., that won't impact any other member's vacation. If they start taking back a bit of my pixie dust to sprinkle on someone else, based on points purchased, I'm not gonna be in my 'Happy Place'.

Candlelady

I disagree, There is a limited amount of perks that DVC can offer. If one group of people get more perks then others will get less than they they otherwise would have. In my opinion creating a class system is a mistake and will diminish DVC. Make no mistake about it, there will be winners and losers with such a system. I didn't buy into a "club" with such a system.

 

[Deb & Bill]

For every guest that receives a late check out, there is another family that must wait even longer for their room.

If DVC wants to give fast passes, discounts on meals, tickets, etc., that won't impact any other member's vacation. If they start taking back a bit of my pixie dust to sprinkle on someone else, based on points purchased, I'm not gonna be in my 'Happy Place'.

Candlelady

I was thinking the same thing. If that preferred member booked villas at AKV Concierge level, that could mean another guest who booked it right at 9 months out will have to wait to get into that villa. And what if it is another preferred guest who wants early check in for the same villa the other guest got late checkout? Could happen for some of these more desired sites.

 

[Candlelady]

If that preferred member booked villas at AKV Concierge level, that could mean another guest who booked it right at 9 months out will have to wait to get into that villa. And what if it is another preferred guest who wants early check in for the same villa the other guest got late checkout? Could happen for some of these more desired sites.

I guess most of us will be non-preferred guests. Kinda makes ya feel all warm and Disneylike huh?

Sorry, sometimes Disney & DVC can get me going. It's one vacation where I feel warm & fuzzy and safe from the stresses of the real world.

 

[tjkraz]

All cost money and not gonna happen. I believe any perks like that will be based on the number of referrals a member makes. JL is not about perks if they cost money.

I have it on pretty good authority that DVC already subsidizes the Annual Pass perk. Parks & Resorts doesn't just take a $100+ hit on every DVC AP sold.

DVC's ability to market the AP discount as a member perk helps justify the expense. It also stands to reason that they have profited from member add-ons driven by AP usage (AP = more trips = more points needed.)

As for the rest of this, I don't think it's worth worrying about until details are released. I have to agree with those who say JL was in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. The only choices were to give a half-answer, give a vague answer (i.e. "stay tuned") or lie to members. IMO he'd be getting criticized now regardless of the path chosen.

It's important to note that member referrals will count toward participation in this club (or whatever it is ultimately called.) It will not be limited to only members with vast financial resources. In that sense, ANYONE can earn participation if they wish.

It will also give DVC a way to reward members living in states which are not eligible for the current "Sharing the Magic" program. Many US and foreign members are ineligible to receive cash rewards in return for referring new business to DVC. But those local laws are unlikely to prohibit DVC from including the member in any sort of VIP club. So many members who have referred new business to DVC in the past (and future) will find themselves with a tangible benefit rather than the generic "thank you" letter which is all DVC can currently provide.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...It's important to note that member referrals will count toward participation in this club (or whatever it is ultimately called.) It will not be limited to only members with vast financial resources. In that sense, ANYONE can earn participation if they wish. ....

But the fact is, DVC just isn't that "referrable" anymore. Too expensive per point, too big, just not the friendly club it was in the 90's. I referred friends and family way back when, but no more. I guess that means I'm not loyal.

 

[mch04049]

But the fact is, DVC just isn't that "referrable" anymore. Too expensive per point, too big, just not the friendly club it was in the 90's. I referred friends and family way back when, but no more. I guess that means I'm not loyal.

UGH,not to friendly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tjkraz]

But the fact is, DVC just isn't that "referrable" anymore. Too expensive per point, too big, just not the friendly club it was in the 90's.

Guess that's for each of us to decide for ourselves. I agree to a point on the cost--I would never recommend anything other than BLT or Aulani direct. Resale has certainly gotten much easier to recommend, particularly for those who are willing to take a gamble at 7 months. But that doesn't mean there are no circumstances under which a direct purchase is advisable.

Consider how the lower annual dues at some resorts will lead to long-term savings which outweigh the up-front purchase premium. I suspect a buyer paying around $115 per point now for BLT will end up paying LESS on a per-year basis than someone who paid $84 per point for BCV points back in 2002.

Personally I like the growth...as do many other members. With all due respect, I'm sure there are more members who appreciate the additions of destinations at Contemporary, AKL, Hawaii and Disneyland than members who are upset at its growth. Complaints over DVC adding new destinations is few and far between.

I wasn't a member in the 90s so I guess the prior level of friendliness is lost on me.

I referred friends and family way back when...

If the referrals were recorded for those purchases, sounds like odds are good that you will be among those who benefit from the new program.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...If the referrals were recorded for those purchases, sounds like odds are good that you will be among those who benefit from the new program.

None of them purchased. Just checked it out.

 

[jctwizzer]

Good God.....seven pages of specious speculation without any factual basis of any consequence.......typical DIS discussion of DVC

 

[lisareniff]

Good God.....seven pages of specious speculation without any factual basis of any consequence.......typical DIS discussion of DVC

Yes! Isn't it quite fun!