2007 Dining Plan Released

yearbook50 said:
I think some of them did. Doesn't Disney give them a set amount of for each meal? Thus it would be mostly a loss at some of the TS in Epcot, especially with people trying to Maximize their meals.

That's what I'm thinking too. IIRC, non-Disney restaurants were getting a pretty paltry amount for each credit redeemed there to begin with. (I don't remember exactly how much.) Even without people sharing credits and trying to squeeze every penny out of the DDP, I remember thinking that those restaurants were getting the short end of the stick.

Maybe they tried to bargain with Disney as a whole and were told forget it, or they all decided that they just couldn't make it on the little money they were getting per credit.

I think that the remaining DDP restaurants, especially in Epcot are going to be very difficult to get into. I'm bummed, because we love Germany and usually find it not too difficult to get into, even last minute. Although it won't appeal to the bang for the buck/credit crowd, so maybe it won't get too popular. We really like Marrakesh and Chefs though too and those should be emptier. Just thinking aloud...
 
I agree with Bicker. Even with people trying to maximize the DP the restaurants still made money because the seats were packed. Without the DP, these restaurants will no longer be booked to capacity. For all non-Disney owned restaurants to be dropped from the DP?..that was a Disney move.
 
Merriwind said:
I'm bummed, because we love Germany and usually find it not too difficult to get into, even last minute.
I think though that you hit on why Disney probably did this, Merriwind: If this makes it more difficult to get into Biergarten at the last minute, then it is a big win for Disney.
 
bicker said:
I think though that you hit on why Disney probably did this, Merriwind: If this makes it more difficult to get into Biergarten at the last minute, then it is a big win for Disney.

Of course you're correct, but I was only considering my personal situation. A win for Disney doesn't necessarily mean a win for me, KWIM?
 

I just checked the other thread. Thanks for posting the changes Bicker. :thumbsup2

It looks like I'll only have to pay for one of our Epcot meals. (Nine Dragons)

Since we tend to 99% of our meals at Disney owned restaurants, the changes won't have a big impact on us.
 
We're only getting the DP for our 3nights at AKL next week. We have dinners at Chefs, Boma and Teppenyaki. Planning on CS at Pepper Market. Glad we'll get to try them now.

Did not add the DP for our other 12 days - have the DDE card.
 
LTT is both lunch and dinner, they are listed separately, same with CRT breakfast lunch and dinner all listed individually, I expect this makes it look more with all the restaurants that have dropped out.

They have done this with others as well, 'Ohana, H&V and 1900 park fare to name a few.

With that many non Disney owned restaurants dropping out (but not all, e.g R&C), I am wondering if they acted together to try and up the level of income they were given, or if was simply too little profit on that allowance. ie less tables with non DDO would still equate to a better profit than more tables with a less per head income.


Only 3 in world showcase accpeting DPP now, Biergarten, Le Cellier and Rose and Crown.
 
I am so sure this 2007 plan is going to have so many changes between now and 2007!! These restaurants will be in negotiations with Disney from now until then. I have a feeling decisions will be made, if they see they are getting less ADR's made ahead of time. And I am sure if the non-participating restaurants feel they can still make money accepting DDP they will, if not then people on DDP will be paying OOP, and people not on DDP will be eating there.

It will be interesting to watch develop :).
 
This doesn't affect our 2006 trip though right? We have Wolfgang Puck's Cafe planned for our anniversary!
Also, I noticed on the Grand Gathering part, it says the Safari Celebration dinner is at AK theme park. Wasn't it usually at Jiko? Has this changed too?
 
I noticed the new brochure has separate charts for adults and children (same amount of credits), 2006 was combined. Under the Q & A, it specifically says child credits cannot be used by adults. So it looks like they will be enforcing this more closely.
 
Amyrlin said:
LTT is both lunch and dinner, they are listed separately, same with CRT breakfast lunch and dinner all listed individually, I expect this makes it look more with all the restaurants that have dropped out.
LTT is listed in the exact same way in the 2007 brochure as it was listed in the 2006 brochure. (My list was the result of a text-compare program, so if there were any changes it would have noted them. As a matter of fact, I think it masked something: It showed a change from Big River Grill to BoardWalk Joe's, but I think that's an ADD and a REMOVE, not a CHANGE.)

They have done this with others as well, 'Ohana, H&V and 1900 park fare to name a few.
Again, that's the way they were listed last year, as well.
 
Amyrlin said:
LTT is both lunch and dinner, they are listed separately, same with CRT breakfast lunch and dinner all listed individually, I expect this makes it look more with all the restaurants that have dropped out.

They have done this with others as well, 'Ohana, H&V and 1900 park fare to name a few.

With that many non Disney owned restaurants dropping out (but not all, e.g R&C), I am wondering if they acted together to try and up the level of income they were given, or if was simply too little profit on that allowance. ie less tables with non DDO would still equate to a better profit than more tables with a less per head income.


Only 3 in world showcase accpeting DPP now, Biergarten, Le Cellier and Rose and Crown.

I think Norway too. It's listed as character thing. What I noticed was also the lack of CS in world showcase. These places couldn't be losing that much money as the prices were pretty comparable to other CS places in WDW.
 
Does this effect my september trip? When does this go into affect? In Jan right?
 
faindrops27 said:
Does this effect my september trip? When does this go into affect? In Jan right?


You're fine

I wonder how this will impact the CP packages next Christmas?:confused3
 
Someone at Disney needs to plan better! They should have released these details BEFORE the 180-day window opened for January. I'm now going to be phoning and changing ADR's, but like someone else has already mentioned, Epcot changes will have to be made quickly, as the available participants will likely book up much quicker.

Good thing the weather is awful today, and I have nothing else to do!
 
I think the restaurants not accepting DDP will still be full, or nearly. Maybe not over booked as they probably are now.
And even if they are not 100% booked up, without the DDP they may be making the same $ as being 100% booked with the DDP.
Just from what I read on this board I can easily see why the DDP may be more headache than it is worth to some restaurants. Chefs can pack guests in without the DDP.
If they have guests who pay full price, or even just 20% off, why accept guests where they only get a set amount almost no matter what is ordered?
I am sure the DDP was meant for them to lose on some, break even on others, and be ahead on some diners. (Just as I imagine buffets factor in cost per person.)
When a restaurant gets a lot of guests sharing meals I can easily see it is not beneficial for them to acdept the DDP. They are losing half the revenue at best.
With several restaurants leaving the DDP, that has to say the DDP is not worth it to the restaurant.
As others noted, maybe Disney and some restaurants are still in working over contracts. :confused3
 
We just booked our May dining package today. Boy, am I glad we picked CBR over Coronado. I would be pretty disappointed to find out that I can't use the dining plan on the hotel that I am staying at.
 














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