Geez, double ouch then. It's not a friendly climate for the suvs. Gas being so expensive a lot of people are deciding the space isn't worth the cost anymore, and those have been the staple product for the big two. At least Ford had some inkling in dropping the Excursion, GM simply announced another 'redesign' of their fullsizes thinking that'd help somehow. The bottom line now is mileage. I work in a very upscale area, lots of sahms running around all day. Used to be lots of Ford and Gm fullsizes, mostly the Navigators and such. Now I'm seeing more and more of these in between mini-v types.