2 New Ships

[beachblanket]

New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.

NCL has been doing this for years with two ships in the port year round. People who have taken their cruises in the middle of the winter say by that day 2 (off South Carolina) you can enjoy the outdoor decks and even often swim in the heated pools.

Also, the Tri-state area (NY, NJ and CT) around NYC is a huge, huge market, and post 9/11 not everyone wants to fly to Florida for a vacation, especially in the winter when weather can cause all sorts of air travel issues. So if Disney was smart, if they ever add vessels (I'm not holding my breath ) they would take a serious look at New York.

 

[2angelsinheaven]

The ships that port here from NY are on 7 or 8 night trips most of the time. They call Brumuda, Bahamas and Port Canaveral and sometimes Key West/Miami. We get one from NY every week sometimes more. I guess anything is possible, but we want the new ship here...=o)

 

[my3kids]

My guess would actually be Galveston. Disney is putting a new park of an American History variety in the Houston area. A 3 day park, 4 day cruise could maybe get you to Castaway Cay and back.

 

[Jennifer48]

I sincerely hope its true! NY, NY would be great for New Englanders!

yes it would be!!

 

[beachblanket]

The ships that port here from NY are on 7 or 8 night trips most of the time. They call Brumuda, Bahamas and Port Canaveral and sometimes Key West/Miami.

The current year-round sailings from New York are on Norwegian, Holland American and Cunard.

NCL does 6 day and 8 days sailings on the Spirit, 7 and 10 day on the Dawn. Itineraries include much more than what you mentioned (Both the Spirit and Dawn do full Eastern Caribbean sailings on the 8 and 10 day itineraries).

HAL offers a 10 day eastern Caribbean on the Noordam.

Cunard has the QE2 stopping in NYC as part of a worldwide itinerary this winter. Their Queen Mary II is doing trans-Atlantic crossings in the spring, summer and fall.

Seasonal sailings from NY are available on:

Carnival (the Legend to Bermuda in spring and summer)
Princess (the Crown Princess to the Eastern Caribbean in summer and fall)
Crystal (Crystal Symphony to New England in summer and fall)
Norwegian (Crown to Bermuda in spring and summer)

Add that up, gang - that's a total of NINE ships that now offer sailings from NYC. There's obviously massive home-port opportunity there.

Which DCL is completely missing.

 

[pyramid2000]

Don't forget RCCL EOS! It is year round now from Bayonne.

 

[my3kids]

Don't forget RCCL EOS! It is year round now from Bayonne.

Mid November to mid May EOS is sailing out of Miami. They alternate in the extended smmer rotating 5 nights to Bermuda and 9 nt. Caribbean, don't they?

 

[Amlee]

Seabourn Cruise Line ordered two new 450-passenger ultra-luxury ships. The 32,000-ton vessels will be built for $250 million each at a shipyard in Genoa, Italy, for delivery in 2009 and 2010. Each ship will feature 225 suites, 90 percent of which will have private verandas. This new order will more than double Seabourn’s current capacity (634 berths) on its three 208-passenger ships. (The new vessels will be three time larger than Seabourn’s current ships but carry only twice the number of passengers.)

 

[stampinshauna]

Why would they put a new ship in NY and CA for that matter? I would think they would use the old ones to do land and seas with one new ones being Florida based for easier year yound 7 night trips (and the same with one in CA) New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.

From rumors the CA ship will also service Alaska. They would need to have more enclosed pools/decks if going to Alaska. It would be easier to build a ship with the capability to have a retractable roof over the pool than to retrofit the current ships.

 

[Par8hed]

From rumors the CA ship will also service Alaska. They would need to have more enclosed pools/decks if going to Alaska. It would be easier to build a ship with the capability to have a retractable roof over the pool than to retrofit the current ships.

And that same logic would hold true for leaving NY in some cooler temps.
Granted I'm prejudiced on this one, but I think NY would be a clear winner for DCL (and it seems many posters feel the same way).

 

[ivanova]

Why would they put a new ship in NY and CA for that matter? I would think they would use the old ones to do land and seas with one new ones being Florida based for easier year yound 7 night trips (and the same with one in CA) New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.

DCL probably wants to expand their itineraries in order to be attractive to past cruisers who are tired of the same ports year in and year out.

Jay Rasulo (tog dog for WDW, which is over DCL) has already said that the third ship, when announced, will be placed in Calif. for Mexico/Alaska cruises. During the Sept - May season when sailing Mexico the itineraries could be tied into DLR for land/sea packages.

As for a fourth ship Rasulo hasn't publicly said where it would be placed, or if it's intended to be built simultaneously with the 3rd ship. I could see a 4th ship as being a "rover" ... being assigned to NYC for part of the year, doing Med cruises for a few months a year, etc. It it isn't Panamex though, it will be limited as to where it can sail (i.e. Calif, Hawaii, etc. will be out of the question).

Of course, that then makes me wonder ... if the 2 new ships are going to be significantly bigger, and are not Panamex ... getting ship #3 to California would be one heck of a repo cruise (around the tip of South America)!!! Sign me up for that baby (although even during the "best" weather, waters around the cape can be quite choppy).

 

[pyramid2000]

Mid November to mid May EOS is sailing out of Miami. They alternate in the extended smmer rotating 5 nights to Bermuda and 9 nt. Caribbean, don't they?

This winter it will be in Miami (Nov - April), but then it will stay in NJ through at least April 2008.

 

[RRB]

DCL probably wants to expand their itineraries in order to be attractive to past cruisers who are tired of the same ports year in and year out.

Jay Rasulo (tog dog for WDW, which is over DCL) has already said that the third ship, when announced, will be placed in Calif. for Mexico/Alaska cruises. During the Sept - May season when sailing Mexico the itineraries could be tied into DLR for land/sea packages.

As for a fourth ship Rasulo hasn't publicly said where it would be placed, or if it's intended to be built simultaneously with the 3rd ship. I could see a 4th ship as being a "rover" ... being assigned to NYC for part of the year, doing Med cruises for a few months a year, etc. It it isn't Panamex though, it will be limited as to where it can sail (i.e. Calif, Hawaii, etc. will be out of the question).

Of course, that then makes me wonder ... if the 2 new ships are going to be significantly bigger, and are not Panamex ... getting ship #3 to California would be one heck of a repo cruise (around the tip of South America)!!! Sign me up for that baby (although even during the "best" weather, waters around the cape can be quite choppy).

a couple of points here. DCL would beneifit Disneyland and themselves by locating the port where they can do Pacific Land and Sea vacations (just like they did in Florida). Both ships are based at the same port in Florida, why couldn't they do the same thing in California? Also, I just looked at the size of the DCL ships and the max dimensions allowed through the Panama Canal - The Wonder/Magic are 12 inches less than the maximum length allowed and equal exactly to the max width allowed (to the inch). I always thought it was a goal for Disney to have ships that could navigate the canal.

 

[my3kids]

I wasn't questioning NY and CA except to speculate that I didn't think both new ones would go to new markets. I think 1 would go to Orlando to pick up repeat cruisers and those who are currently sailing on the newer style ships with other cruiselines. I think 1 new one would probably go west for the CA and AK trips. I just can't see putting a new ship in NY year round for 7 night trips. Longer ones, sure b ecause you can get to a nice warm beach on a longer cruise. But not a lot of families would take school age kids out for 12 day trips. A week maybe, but more??. I do think one ship would end up in Galveston.

 

[awoltoday]

Of course, that then makes me wonder ... if the 2 new ships are going to be significantly bigger, and are not Panamex ... getting ship #3 to California would be one heck of a repo cruise (around the tip of South America)!!! Sign me up for that baby (although even during the "best" weather, waters around the cape can be quite choppy).

At least until 2014, when the Panama Canal Expansion is due to be completed and Panamax gets redefined.

 

[RRB]

I do think one ship would end up in Galveston.

That is certainly psssible especially if a Park is going to open there. Is that a fact (about a park in Texas)???

 

[beachblanket]

Don't forget RCCL EOS! It is year round now from Bayonne.

Caroline, you're correct - I didn't include the sailings from "Port Liberty" - which are also serving the New York area market. Nor did I mention that the business of sailing out of NYC has gotten so large that a huge new second terminal (designed to serve large ships) was just opened up in Brooklyn.

 

[beachblanket]

I do think one ship would end up in Galveston.

The New York City Tri-State Market is much more lucrative, most of the cruises going out of Galveston are aimed at the budget 3-4 day itinerary crowd. Also, no one has proposed DCL posting a ship in NYC year round; I could see that being a summer thing, perhaps revolving Caribbean and Bermuda itineraries.

 

[Mmketeer]

Wow, this would be awesome if it were true. I'll have to start saving my pennies to be able to fly now with my cruises. I get off so cheap by being able to drive, hence I get to cruise more than once a year!

 

[my3kids]

That is certainly psssible especially if a Park is going to open there. Is that a fact (about a park in Texas)???

Disney tried in the early to mid 1990's, about 1994 to build the park in northern Virginia. People there protested because it was near battlefields and Disney backed off and said they would build it in the Houston area. Friends in Houston said land was being purchased but to my knowlege they have not broken ground. GGalveston is a good port. Carnival and Royal Caribbean sail 7 night trips from there. For middle america it is closer to get there than either coast and the proximity allows for easy port access in the Caribbean.