13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[moon]

For the vast majority, it's routine, minor surgery, but there apparently pre-existing issues for this girl.

Who said she had pre-existing issues? I haven't heard the family say that, and the hospital has not made any comment on the case

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

Who said she had pre-existing issues? I haven't heard the family say that, and the hospital has not made any comment on the case

it was in one of the early news reports, a few days after surgery.

 

[moon]

it was in one of the early news reports, a few days after surgery.

I wonder where they got their information...

In every report I've read said that her doctors recommended the surgery. I doubt they'd have done it if it was so risky for her

I did a quick Google search and the only thing I found about pre existing condition led me back to the Dis

 

[MSLRAC]

So, at 5 pm today they are taking her off the ventilator? I take it that her family will be there, so that they can see...maybe it will help with their closure in some small way. I just can't imagine what they are going through.

I hate to say it but I expect it to get ugly. I would not be surprised one bit if her family tries to physically block the doctors and nurses from getting to the machine.

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

From a Dec 18 CNN article: Doctors had recommended the tonsillectomy to treat Jahi's sleep apnea, weight gain, inability to concentrate, short attention span and uncontrolled urination, her uncle Omari Sealey told CNN on Monday in a telephone interview.

There was something else going on there besides sleep apnea.

 

[skylizard]

From a Dec 18 CNN article: Doctors had recommended the tonsillectomy to treat Jahi's sleep apnea, weight gain, inability to concentrate, short attention span and uncontrolled urination, her uncle Omari Sealey told CNN on Monday in a telephone interview.

There was something else going on there besides sleep apnea.

That's what I had read too, although it was 2 other surgeries along with the tonsillectomy.

 

[moon]

From a Dec 18 CNN article: Doctors had recommended the tonsillectomy to treat Jahi's sleep apnea, weight gain, inability to concentrate, short attention span and uncontrolled urination, her uncle Omari Sealey told CNN on Monday in a telephone interview.

There was something else going on there besides sleep apnea.

Other than the weight, I don't see how any of those conditions would affect the outcome of the surgery. Still, it was the doctors who recommended the surgery, so they must have felt she was in good condition to survive it.

I feel there was malpractice in this case. Just the way they let her bleed in recovery is horrific. Who knows what happened in the OR

 

[sunshinehighway]

Other than the weight, I don't see how any of those conditions would affect the outcome of the surgery. Still, it was the doctors who recommended the surgery, so they must have felt she was in good condition to survive it.

I feel there was malpractice in this case. Just the way they let her bleed in recovery is horrific. Who knows what happened in the OR

Totally agree.

I think it's sad there people seem to be hinting that it was in some way the family's fault.

It doesn't matter if her records are released because I doubt anything the hospital has to say can really be trusted. Their main goal is to protect themselves.

I feel terrible for this family.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Other than the weight, I don't see how any of those conditions would affect the outcome of the surgery. Still, it was the doctors who recommended the surgery, so they must have felt she was in good condition to survive it. I feel there was malpractice in this case. Just the way they let her bleed in recovery is horrific. Who knows what happened in the OR

You are only hearing the family's side to it. They won't allow the hospital to speak. Why is that? I think it's presumptuous to assume fault right now. We also don't know that the bleeding happened the way the family claims it did. Honestly, until they allow the hospital to give their side, I'm going to believe the family could be exaggerating. Also, just because a doctor still recommends the surgery doesn't mean it comes without risks. Why do you think we all sign those consent forms? It may be that even with the risks, the doctor & family felt it outweighed what the future might look like without it. I'll say it again, routine surgery does not mean risk free. There are always risks and yes, other health issues do make a surgery more risky.

An update on the case - the NY hospital has pulled their offer, so there is no place willing to take her. The family may appeal with the court in the next hour and from the interview with her mom, she truly believes she will wake up from this.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/family-brain-dead-teen-now-has-no-options-relocati/ncYD8/

 

[mom2rtk]

I feel there was malpractice in this case.

There is absolutely no way you can know this. Just as you cannot know how the surgery was presented to the family in terms of the risks involved.

 

[MinnieLovesMickey12]

I also was wondering myself if there are members of her family that are going to try to physically stop the nurses from turning off the life support or if once the nurses leave the room they may try to turn it back on.

If the family gets combative they will remove them and then they will lose out on the chance to be there with the girl when she passes.

I also don't think there is ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER anybody can tell if there was malpractice here. That is just wild speculation. Because the only side of this story you are hearing is the family's side. They will not consent to let the hospital speak. Why not?

 

[teller80]

An update on the case - the NY hospital has pulled their offer, so there is no place willing to take her.

Does anybody have an opinion as to why the NY hospital made the offer in the first place? And why would they then decide not to take the girl? That to me is odd. They had to of known the situation. Do you think someone made the offer and then the lawyers got involved?

 

[bcla]

I also was wondering myself if there are members of her family that are going to try to physically stop the nurses from turning off the life support or if once the nurses leave the room they may try to turn it back on.

If the family gets combative they will remove them and then they will lose out on the chance to be there with the girl when she passes.

I also don't think there is ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER anybody can tell if there was malpractice here. That is just wild speculation. Because the only side of this story you are hearing is the family's side. They will not consent to let the hospital speak. Why not?

It's pretty obvious that they're controlling the publicity to gather sympathy for their cause to keep her body hooked up.

 

[thankudrivethru]

On the news today they said the girl was pronounced brain dead as we all have heard. I don't know how hard this came be for the family. It has to be tough as nails accept that their daughter is gone and having to say goodbye like this has to be equally as heartbreaking. I am sad for the family. At 5pm today she will be taken off life support.

 

[Tozzie]

Does anybody have an opinion as to why the NY hospital made the offer in the first place? And why would they then decide not to take the girl? That to me is odd. They had to of known the situation. Do you think someone made the offer and then the lawyers got involved?

Who said they made the offer , much of the reports on this are from the families attorney, he may have approached the centers requesting and for all we know they may have requested to see the actual medical records before making a desicion. They may never have made an offer.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Does anybody have an opinion as to why the NY hospital made the offer in the first place? And why would they then decide not to take the girl? That to me is odd. They had to of known the situation. Do you think someone made the offer and then the lawyers got involved?

I don't think they knew the entire story. I think they were talking to the family's lawyer and I don't believe he gave all the information. Or since the family would never release the name of the NY hospital, maybe they never did agree and they were using to help their side? I don't mean to bad mouth the family, and this is not my intent, but I do think they will do anything they need to to keep her connected. Children's has been saying this whole time they will help with the transfer under 3 conditions - an outside source places the trach & feeding tube, the place she is being transferred to is legitimate and is aware & the coroner has signed off on the transfer. As of yesterday the family's lawyer would not help arrange the conversation between the NY hospital & Children's (and without Children's knowing the name, couldn't do it themselves) and Children's can't just let a body go without making sure the receiving end knows EXACTLY what they are taking on. Also, the NY hospital, if they did agree to take her, can't without the trach & feeding tube placed and that hasn't been done. There is a two part process here, both of which are failing. Even if a hospital said yes we'll take her, the family needs to find somebody to do the surgeries and I haven't heard of any doctor volunteering to do that. The family truly seems to believe she is alive, moving, etc. Who knows how that was passed on to potential hospitals.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I also was wondering myself if there are members of her family that are going to try to physically stop the nurses from turning off the life support or if once the nurses leave the room they may try to turn it back on.

If the family gets combative they will remove them and then they will lose out on the chance to be there with the girl when she passes.

I also don't think there is ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER anybody can tell if there was malpractice here. That is just wild speculation. Because the only side of this story you are hearing is the family's side. They will not consent to let the hospital speak. Why not?

Maybe because the hospital is never going to take the blame even if it was totally their fault.

 

[thankudrivethru]

Does anybody have an opinion as to why the NY hospital made the offer in the first place? And why would they then decide not to take the girl? That to me is odd. They had to of known the situation. Do you think someone made the offer and then the lawyers got involved?

Because maybe they see reality clearer then the family? The reality is that the girl is brain dead. It be different if she was in a coma, but she is not.

 

[DLgal]

Other than the weight, I don't see how any of those conditions would affect the outcome of the surgery. Still, it was the doctors who recommended the surgery, so they must have felt she was in good condition to survive it.

I feel there was malpractice in this case. Just the way they let her bleed in recovery is horrific. Who knows what happened in the OR

In addition to the tonsillectomy, she had "extra sinus tissue" removed as well. THAT is most likely the source of profuse bleeding that was coming out of her nose. The sinuses are ripe with blood vessels and very close to the brain, which could have caused swelling, thus cutting off blood flow to her brain. The cardiac arrest likely was caused by a massive drop in blood pressure due to the hemhorraging. If bleeding from a major vessel, this could all have happened in a matter of minutes, likely with NO time to go back into surgery. Honestly, this sounds just like a really unfortunate outcome, which is that statistical "extremely rare" result that everyone always hopes happens to someone else.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Maybe because the hospital is never going to take the blame even if it was totally their fault.

And you know this how? How can you be so sure it's malpractice with so little information - and the only information the family is allowing out is their own. A grieving, heartbroken, refuse to accept reality family. Maybe it is the hospital's fault, but the family isn't helping in proving that. And the longer this goes on, the less likely they will be at showing that (if it is the case). Sometimes things just go wrong and it's nobody's fault.