$110,000 in Debt (college)

well, she is aware that life is what happens while you are making plans,and that many old-fashioned people can't grasp that she is not merely biding her time in school waiting for Mr. Right. The guy she has been with for the last 4 1/2 years shares the no kids/ low cost choices/is studying in the same field/ dirt cheap wedding( if there is a wedding) view, and yes, he and his family know up front what her debt will be . However, I'll let her know that in 3 months when she turns 21 a magic button will go off and change everything that she has always been honest with herself over . Really? Even if she does change her mind, she knows the debt is to be paid off prior to anything. According to her payment plan, it will be paid by age 32.I know people who did not have college debt at 50 who still do not own a home (by choice) or have kids..and *gasp* are divorced from Mr. Right..some more than once. Her career will be as as established as someone without a loan, or least she will have the same opportunity as the rest of her fellow graduates that apply themselves...just like anyone She is a bit more independant than being swayed by a Mr. Right. If there is a Mr. Right he will be so because he understands her lifestyle/choices...not because he is going to change them.
WHY is it ok with everyone to go into debt for a house/cars/kids...all the things that are considered OK but NOT for an education? The author of the article took out loans not realizing how they would affect her life/limit her choices...not the same thing. So I guess, she should not have attended school, to be a productive person in society...and just hung out in bars looking for Mr. Right because the ripe old age of 21 was approaching? Wow...

Education is definitely an appropriate use of debt. I just think this girl did not do a very good cost/reward analysis and she is now in trouble. Your DD sounds like she knows exactly what she's getting into. No one will be wroting an article about her in the future. :thumbsup2
 
Maybe it's unique to where I live, but a lot of the people in my MOMS Club get EIC's, Medicaid for the kids and Foodstamps. We're not talking about SAHMs rich enough to go on vacations and live it up while being SAHMs. We're talking about people that the Budget Board would jump all over because they're "living off of the taxpayer".

Well, I apologize then. I would not even be able to be around women that stayed home, while using the taxpayers to feed their children.

I think we are looking at different situations indeed. I live in an area where people are bringing in $100k+ on one income.

I don't agree with even having children if you can't feed them. Food stamps or WIC. I do agree with you. Those women should not be staying at home. They should be working. And they should stop having more children.

The sad thing is, these children can go to college for just about free. There are many government college aid programs for Food Stamp qualifying families. These women don't have to worry about college debt. The taxpayers will foot the bill for them once more when they get to the college level.

Again, I am sorry. We are looking at two different situations.
 
At the risk of being flamed, I agree (at least in some cases) with the person who posted that about SAHMs. Bear in mind that I am a SAHM right now! Out of all of my SAHM friends, I'm the only one who has planned for college. I can't even begin to tell you the things that some of their kids are going without (way beyond college tuition) so that these SAHMs can continue to stay home, volunteer in their kids' schools, etc. I actually told one of my friends that she needed to get a job when she was complaining about finances. She was just horrified at the suggestion. Um, your outgo is way more than your income...you need to get a job. I've seen way too many SAHMs who can't even remotely afford to be SAHMs lately to disagree with the poster that you responded to. They are riding the SAHM train into the ground and beyond because they just don't want to go back to work. It's not one or 2...it's like my entire MOMS Club! What I don't *get* is how they don't see that this will come back to hurt them and the kids down the road. College tuition is the least of their problems (right now, anyways). Flame away, but I am seeing this a LOT lately.

I'll defend the position -- not that you should run a deficit to be a SAHM, but that choosing to structure your family so that there is a SAHP even if it means that you don't pay for your kid's college. Now I've both been a SAHM and a WOHM, so I don't have a "side" as to which is "right" -- I think they are both valid choices that simply have different priorities.

I had to pay my way through college. I did it through a lot of student loans. I don't regret it. I'm not scarred. It would have been nice to have had my parents fund my education, but I don't think that should have been their top priority. Yes, it limited some of the choices I could make after college, but OTOH, the college I went to was worth it's price tag and opened up other opportunities I wouldn't have had if I had chosen to go to CC followed by my state school. I went in knowing I would have to repay the loans. I knew what the monthly payments would be. I was focused on getting a job after graduation. I knew what my plan A, B, and C would be for handling the debt and what sacrifices I would have to make to go to the school I wanted to.

As a parent, my priorities are balancing family time with finances. Funding retirement is a much greater priority for me than paying for my kid's college. I will be working while they are in school and the plan has been to have one of our incomes go to assist them in paying for college. Even if we are in the position to pay for all of their school, we will not.

From this perspective, I don't have a problem with families that have decided that staying home with their kids is more important than paying for their college. There are trade-offs to every decision. There is no cookie cutter family. Just because someone has different priorities doesn't mean that they are irresponsible.
 
Yes they do, I thought the very same things that you state here when I read the post made by Abbey's Mom.....:confused3 even after reading the 2nd post it seems financial guidance she got was lacking in pointing her towards more available aid.

100% true:thumbsup2 If you are so very poor that you need the government to help feed you and your grades allow you to go to college, just about any private school will fund you 100%. You may have to pay pennies at a public university, but not much more.
 

I have an interesting perspective bc both my parents and dh's parents had a SAHM with VASTLY different results. My parents, even though they had a SAHM, took into that into consideration and lived a very frugal lifestyle, including public education for my growing up. As a result, they were able to pay for both my college and law school with no loans. I did my part by getting scholarships so a good portion of college was paid for and half my last year of (private) law school was paid for. But if I hadn't gotten that, they still would have been able to pay.

In the alternative, although my dh's mom decided not to work, they didn't live that way. They bought what they wanted, sent dh to private school through graduation, went on trips, etc. As a result, dh had to take out all loans for both college and law school (where we met). And parents had to file bankruptcy.

We graduated in 1997 and still have $60,000 left of the loans to pay (originally $160,000) for dh. It caused us to not get a home until mid-30s as we called the loan our mortgage payment; and other things as well.

As a result, I have decided to continue working bc what I earn is more than daycare and I make the contributions to DS's 529 which he has had since he was born (now three), and to our retirement (dh has pension). Do I wish I could stay home? Yes, but we have arranged it so DS is only in preschool/daycare 6 1/2 hours a day bc dh does morning duty and I go to work at 6 am so I can pick him up at 3:15 pm. I never want to my son to be in dh's situation.

Honestly, I give SAHM's credit bc I would be too stressed, especially in this economy, to rely on one salary. Now, for dh and I, if one of us loses our job, at least we would have another.
 
I didn't read the replies so forgive if totally off base, but . . .

this is why I'm continually shocked at people spending big bucks on private elementary school.

My brother and SIL have great jobs and investments ect, and its still a MAJOR struggle putting their kids through college. Plan as much as they could, its still a major burden!
:scared1:
 
Well, I apologize then. I would not even be able to be around women that stayed home, while using the taxpayers to feed their children.

I think we are looking at different situations indeed. I live in an area where people are bringing in $100k+ on one income.

I don't agree with even having children if you can't feed them. Food stamps or WIC. I do agree with you. Those women should not be staying at home. They should be working. And they should stop having more children.

The sad thing is, these children can go to college for just about free. There are many government college aid programs for Food Stamp qualifying families. These women don't have to worry about college debt. The taxpayers will foot the bill for them once more when they get to the college level.

Again, I am sorry. We are looking at two different situations.

No worries;) I just look at the women in my MOMS Club and the ones that I see at the play place and think "really?!". How is it being a SAHM when you get that much taxpayer help to do so?!! .

I'm not so sure about the part about those kids getting a free ride to college, though. Didn't the girl in the article have a single mom who was a schoolteacher:confused3 Granted, that is probably a higher-paying profession than most of the spouses/boyfriends of the SAHMs that I know, but still...I don't know that full rides based on need are even that common. My BFF is a social worker and did the community college then state college thing. She had a surprise baby during college, and only at that point did she get a full ride based upon need. Before that, she really didn't get any financial aid and she was making like $10 an hour where she worked:confused3 Financial Aid is a weird thing...it seems pretty much impossible to predict whether or not you'll actually get it. Also, I think that these days, Financial Aid is more likely to be loans than grants...hence the article in the OP I guess.
 
I didn't read the replies so forgive if totally off base, but . . .

this is why I'm continually shocked at people spending big bucks on private elementary school.

My brother and SIL have great jobs and investments ect, and its still a MAJOR struggle putting their kids through college. Plan as much as they could, its still a major burden!
:scared1:

Too funny that you post this...DH and I are in the process of having this conversation. The fantastic news is that I found a great public elementary school that I can choice the kids into!! I just toured it yesterday. We will save BIG bucks if we can go public for elementary:yay:
 
I'm not so sure about the part about those kids getting a free ride to college, though.

Oh yes!

I know people who have gone to great schools for very little money. If your parents make under 40K a year and you have the grades to get into a very good private school, the sky is the limit.



From wiki:

"No-loan financial aidIn 2001, Princeton University became the first university in the United States to eliminate loans from its financial aid packages. Since then, many other schools have followed in eliminating some or all loans from their financial aid programs. Many of these programs are aimed at students whose parents earn less than a certain income — the figures vary by college or university. These new initiatives were designed to attract more students and applicants from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, reduce student debt loads, and provide the offering institutions with an advantage over their rivals in attracting commitments from accepted students. This is an attractive way for students to relieve the amount of debt he or she is in after college.

As of March 25, 2008, the list of colleges and universities offering such no-loan financial aid packages includes the following:
Post-secondary Institution No-loan financial aid for families meeting these eligibility requirements:


Amherst College No max income
Arizona State University Arizona residents with family income of up to $60,000[7]
Bowdoin College No max income[8]
Brown University Family income below $100,000[9]
Caltech Annual income below $60,000[10]
Claremont McKenna College No max income[11]
Colby College No max income; all students[12]
Columbia University No max income[13]
Cornell University Annual income below $75,000
Dartmouth College Annual income below $75,000[14]
Davidson College No max income
Duke University Annual income below $40,000[15]
Emory University Annual income below $100,000
Haverford College First-year students with financial need[16]
Harvard University No max income
Lafayette University Annual income below $50,000[17]
Lehigh University Annual income below $50,000[18]
MIT Annual income below $75,000[19]
University of Maryland, College Park Maryland resident with 0 EFC[20]
Michigan State University Michigan resident with family incomes at or below the federal poverty line[21]
Northwestern University Family income lower than approx. $55,000[22]
North Carolina State University Income less than 150% of the poverty line. Requires the family to have "limited assets," regardless of state residency.[23]
University of Chicago Students who demonstrate financial need and whose annual family income totals $75,000 or less[24]
UNC Chapel Hill 200% of federal poverty line ($24,000 to $37,000)
University of Pennsylvania No max income[25]
Pomona College No max income[26]
Princeton University No max income
Rice University Annual income below $80,000
Stanford University Annual income below $45,000
Swarthmore College Anyone with financial need[27]
Tufts University Annual income below $40,000[28]
Vanderbilt University No max income[29]
Vassar College Annual income below $60,000[30]
University of Virginia 200% of federal poverty line ($24,000 to $37,000)
Washington and Lee University No max income
Washington University in St. Louis Annual Income below $60,000[31]
Wellesley College $60,000[32]
Wesleyan University $40,000[33]
College of William and Mary $40,000 (VA residents only)
Williams College No max income
Yale University No max income
[edit] Loan cap Some universities have opted to have a "loan cap" program, which is a maximum loan — either per year or for the four years combined — designed to reduce the cost of attendance for low-income and middle-class students. The following schools have a loan cap program:

School Loan Cap for students meeting these eligibility requirements:
Brown University Family earning less than about $125,000: Caps total loans to $3,000 per year. Family earning up to $150,000: Caps total loans to $4,000 per year. Family earning up to $150,000: Caps total loans to $5,000 per year.
University of Chicago "Those whose families make between $60,000 and $75,000 will have 50% of their loans replaced."[24]
Cornell University Undergraduates with family incomes less than $120,000 will have loans limited to $3,000 per year.
Duke University Undergraduate students with family income between $40,000 and $100,000 will have their loans limited on a graduated basis ($1,000 to $4,000 per year) and loans "frozen" at the freshman level. [15]
Emory University "Annual assessed incomes of $50,000 to $100,000 who demonstrate need for financial aid. The program caps total need-based loans at $15,000, assuming on-time progression toward graduation with up to eight semesters of study."[34]
Grinnell College "Beginning in the 2008-09 academic year, need-based loans for all eligible students will be capped at $2,000 per year."[35]
University of Maryland, College Park Students with need-based financial aid will have their loans capped at $15,900 for their four years of attendance.[20]
Middlebury College Family income below $40,000: $1,500 per year; family income $40,000 to $80,000: $2,500 per year; family income above $80,000: $3,500 per year. [36]
Rice University Students with a family income below $60,000 will not have loans. Families with incomes over $60,000 will have their loans capped at about $14,500.
University of Virginia 200% of federal poverty line ($24,000 to $37,000). Need-based loans are capped at 25% of the in-state cost of attendance, regardless of state residency. "
 
Wow. That list makes me really wonder why the article girl didn't become "independent," defer American, work a low-wage job for a year, and then reapply for Financial Aid? It seems like that could have worked in her favor:confused3 Either that, or why not go to a different (but still equally good) school on that list that would give a full ride to someone with a single mom who is a teacher?? It seems like she had tunnel-vision that caused her to miss some possible good opportunites and that landed her in a tough financial situation post-graduation.
 
100% true:thumbsup2 If you are so very poor that you need the government to help feed you and your grades allow you to go to college, just about any private school will fund you 100%. You may have to pay pennies at a public university, but not much more.

No they won't. My husband was one of those cases 25 years ago (when there was a lot more aid). Child of a single mother who was on food stamps. His package for his expensive private school was a combination of work/study, grants and loans. And quite a heavy loan load.

I just graduated from a public university that is inner city maybe three years ago. Most of those young adults were getting a package that was mostly loans.

I have a friend that teaches in an inner city school - her students get packages that are primarily loans. Private or public.
 
MrsPete...with all due respect, a post was directed to me stating that I need to be prepared for my DD changing her life choices at age 21 advising me to be prepared to become a grandparent, what did I misunderstand? It is an archaic way of thought. You stated that you tried to change yourself for a guy, realized it was not for you then followed your heart. My DD is following her heart currently, I didn't realize there was a specific age it became acceptable/ OK to do so. If students are expected to make the life decison at 17 or 18 about where to spend $70-80,000 or more on their education I think they should also have respect for other major decisions in their life and not be treated like they aren't old enough to know what they are talking about. Geez, a TON of adults have had to go back to school to reinvent themselves to stay marketable, does that mean what they spent on their 1st degree was irresponsible? That they didn't spend mom and dad's college fund wisely? Again, the author of the article made some choices that turned out to be poor for her, I guess the good news is she isn't 21 yet so she has a chance that her choices are going to change? Maybe she won't choose to purchase a home, car or have kids...I imagine her debt will eventually be paid off then. Perhaps college should start accepting only those who have the $ up front, then maybe kids wouldn't be staring more than 4 years just because the school is overcrowed and they can't get a class they need to graduate. My DD has several friends at various schools dealing with that, heck I had to go an extra semester in the '85 because of it at a state school. I am not sure who gets to decide on what is the right/wrong way of how someone divides up their paycheck to pay the bills...why does anyone care if a student is paying to a mortgage or to their loan?
 
No they won't. My husband was one of those cases 25 years ago (when there was a lot more aid). Child of a single mother who was on food stamps. His package for his expensive private school was a combination of work/study, grants and loans. And quite a heavy loan load.

I just graduated from a public university that is inner city maybe three years ago. Most of those young adults were getting a package that was mostly loans.

I have a friend that teaches in an inner city school - her students get packages that are primarily loans. Private or public.

Getting financial aid from a university doesn't mean they cover the whole thing, either. But they're getting $25,000 a year in help you say! Great, but the tuition is 50 grand.
 
Oh yes!

I know people who have gone to great schools for very little money. If your parents make under 40K a year and you have the grades to get into a very good private school, the sky is the limit.



From wiki:

"No-loan financial aidIn 2001, Princeton University became the first university in the United States to eliminate loans from its financial aid packages. Since then, many other schools have followed in eliminating some or all loans from their financial aid programs. Many of these programs are aimed at students whose parents earn less than a certain income — the figures vary by college or university. These new initiatives were designed to attract more students and applicants from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, reduce student debt loads, and provide the offering institutions with an advantage over their rivals in attracting commitments from accepted students. This is an attractive way for students to relieve the amount of debt he or she is in after college.

As of March 25, 2008, the list of colleges and universities offering such no-loan financial aid packages includes the following:
Post-secondary Institution No-loan financial aid for families meeting these eligibility requirements:


Amherst College No max income
Arizona State University Arizona residents with family income of up to $60,000[7]
Bowdoin College No max income[8]
Brown University Family income below $100,000[9]
Caltech Annual income below $60,000[10]
Claremont McKenna College No max income[11]
Colby College No max income; all students[12]
Columbia University No max income[13]
Cornell University Annual income below $75,000
Dartmouth College Annual income below $75,000[14]
Davidson College No max income
Duke University Annual income below $40,000[15]
Emory University Annual income below $100,000
Haverford College First-year students with financial need[16]
Harvard University No max income
Lafayette University Annual income below $50,000[17]
Lehigh University Annual income below $50,000[18]
MIT Annual income below $75,000[19]
University of Maryland, College Park Maryland resident with 0 EFC[20]
Michigan State University Michigan resident with family incomes at or below the federal poverty line[21]
Northwestern University Family income lower than approx. $55,000[22]
North Carolina State University Income less than 150% of the poverty line. Requires the family to have "limited assets," regardless of state residency.[23]
University of Chicago Students who demonstrate financial need and whose annual family income totals $75,000 or less[24]
UNC Chapel Hill 200% of federal poverty line ($24,000 to $37,000)
University of Pennsylvania No max income[25]
Pomona College No max income[26]
Princeton University No max income
Rice University Annual income below $80,000
Stanford University Annual income below $45,000
Swarthmore College Anyone with financial need[27]
Tufts University Annual income below $40,000[28]
Vanderbilt University No max income[29]
Vassar College Annual income below $60,000[30]
University of Virginia 200% of federal poverty line ($24,000 to $37,000)
Washington and Lee University No max income
Washington University in St. Louis Annual Income below $60,000[31]
Wellesley College $60,000[32]
Wesleyan University $40,000[33]
College of William and Mary $40,000 (VA residents only)
Williams College No max income
Yale University No max income
[edit] Loan cap Some universities have opted to have a "loan cap" program, which is a maximum loan — either per year or for the four years combined — designed to reduce the cost of attendance for low-income and middle-class students. The following schools have a loan cap program:

School Loan Cap for students meeting these eligibility requirements:
Brown University Family earning less than about $125,000: Caps total loans to $3,000 per year. Family earning up to $150,000: Caps total loans to $4,000 per year. Family earning up to $150,000: Caps total loans to $5,000 per year.
University of Chicago "Those whose families make between $60,000 and $75,000 will have 50% of their loans replaced."[24]
Cornell University Undergraduates with family incomes less than $120,000 will have loans limited to $3,000 per year.
Duke University Undergraduate students with family income between $40,000 and $100,000 will have their loans limited on a graduated basis ($1,000 to $4,000 per year) and loans "frozen" at the freshman level. [15]
Emory University "Annual assessed incomes of $50,000 to $100,000 who demonstrate need for financial aid. The program caps total need-based loans at $15,000, assuming on-time progression toward graduation with up to eight semesters of study."[34]
Grinnell College "Beginning in the 2008-09 academic year, need-based loans for all eligible students will be capped at $2,000 per year."[35]
University of Maryland, College Park Students with need-based financial aid will have their loans capped at $15,900 for their four years of attendance.[20]
Middlebury College Family income below $40,000: $1,500 per year; family income $40,000 to $80,000: $2,500 per year; family income above $80,000: $3,500 per year. [36]
Rice University Students with a family income below $60,000 will not have loans. Families with incomes over $60,000 will have their loans capped at about $14,500.
University of Virginia 200% of federal poverty line ($24,000 to $37,000). Need-based loans are capped at 25% of the in-state cost of attendance, regardless of state residency. "

First you have to get in. These programs are HIGHLY competitive. Then you need to bank on this money being there. If the stock market crashes, the endowments that fund this won't be there to fund them.

My cube neighbor has a kid going to Stanford. They are paying completely out of pocket. Here is the rub - his roommate got in on the "your parents don't make much money - here is a free financial aid package." The next year, it wasn't there for him - now he has half loans.
 
No they won't. My husband was one of those cases 25 years ago (when there was a lot more aid). Child of a single mother who was on food stamps. His package for his expensive private school was a combination of work/study, grants and loans. And quite a heavy loan load.

I just graduated from a public university that is inner city maybe three years ago. Most of those young adults were getting a package that was mostly loans.

I have a friend that teaches in an inner city school - her students get packages that are primarily loans. Private or public.

and this is how loans can get so high for many...aside from the author who used loans to attend a specific choice of schools...many have loans for the least expensive route as well, and they will have payments to deal with, directing their life choices too.
 
No they won't. My husband was one of those cases 25 years ago (when there was a lot more aid). Child of a single mother who was on food stamps. His package for his expensive private school was a combination of work/study, grants and loans. And quite a heavy loan load.

Above is a list of NO loan colleges. None. No money taken out on loans.

If you are poor and you can get into one of those schools, you will not have debt. You will not have a "heavy loan load" when you graduate.
 
Above is a list of NO loan colleges. None. No money taken out on loans.

If you are poor and you can get into one of those schools, you will not have debt. You will not have a "heavy loan load" when you graduate.

See second post. How many kids are going to get into that fairly small subset of schools? IF you are disadvantaged AND manage to blow the top of the ACT/SATs - yeah, you'll get a free ride. And if you manage to be a really good basketball player, you'll get a free ride, too. I wouldn't recommend anyone put their eggs in that basket.
 
From this perspective, I don't have a problem with families that have decided that staying home with their kids is more important than paying for their college. There are trade-offs to every decision. There is no cookie cutter family. Just because someone has different priorities doesn't mean that they are irresponsible.
Fair enough -- just don't make your choices and then whine about the consequences later!
this is why I'm continually shocked at people spending big bucks on private elementary school.
So many details go into these decisions . . . we paid for private elementary school. Here's why:

- We lived in one county, while I worked in another and my husband worked two counties over -- we were on the road a good bit. If we'd used the public schools in our own county, our girls would've been FAR from us during the day. Since small children do get sick, since we wanted to be able to pop over to have lunch with them or see a certain activity, we wanted them closer.
- The busses weren't going to work for us. The bus would've come along AFTER both of us were gone, and our girls were too young to be responsible for locking the doors and getting themselves out to the bus stop.
- We were already pushed to our limits time-wise (and it was awful when my husband went out of town), and we would've been getting one girl to school and the other to daycare.
- If we'd used public school, we would've had to pay for both before/after school care, which wasn't cheap. The private school hours allowed us to avoid this.

We went into private elementary school largely because of the logistics. My husband (who goes to work later than I do) dropped them both off into the same building -- they had day care on one side, school on the other. I picked them both up from the same building. The time savings was well worth it.

We entered into it with the agreement that we'd take it on a year-to-year basis. For a number of years we agreed that the convenience was worth it. I liked the small classes and the heavy emphasis on phonics, old-fashioned math, and study habits -- my girls are both strong students today.

Eventually we reached the year when we said "no more". It was no longer worth the financial sacrafice. We'd moved nearer to work, which fixed our road-time problems, and it was time.

Given the same circumstances, I'd make the same choices again.
MrsPete...with all due respect, a post was directed to me stating that I need to be prepared for my DD changing her life choices at age 21 advising me to be prepared to become a grandparent, what did I misunderstand?
The main point. The point was that amost everyone changes his or her mind about significant things -- it might be children, might be career, might be something else. The idea that Mr. Right might want children and she might decide that she does too is AN EXAMPLE of the type of changes that young people make in their decision-making process.

Personally, I want my daughters to be free to make these decisions. Being tied down by debt removes some of that freedom.

Also, the sarcasm was heavy-handed. No one suggested that she should've overlooked career plans in favor of spending her time in bars searching for Mr. Right. Nothing even close to it.
 
See second post. How many kids are going to get into that fairly small subset of schools? IF you are disadvantaged AND manage to blow the top of the ACT/SATs - yeah, you'll get a free ride. And if you manage to be a really good basketball player, you'll get a free ride, too. I wouldn't recommend anyone put their eggs in that basket.
My thoughts exactly. Yes, it's great for the few, few, few who fit into that category. But even without my husband's salary, I make too much (too much gross, not take home) as a public school teacher. Few people will qualify for this.
 
Wow. That list makes me really wonder why the article girl didn't become "independent," defer American, work a low-wage job for a year, and then reapply for Financial Aid? It seems like that could have worked in her favor:confused3 Either that, or why not go to a different (but still equally good) school on that list that would give a full ride to someone with a single mom who is a teacher?? It seems like she had tunnel-vision that caused her to miss some possible good opportunites and that landed her in a tough financial situation post-graduation.

Because they changed the rules re: "independent", and taking a year off won't do it. These days, to qualify to have your parents' income totally disregarded, you have either be a ward of the state, be married, have a child, be in the military or a veteran, or be at least 24 years old.

I've actually encountered kids who have entered into sham marriages with roommates in order to get independent status.
 




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