11 vehicles robbed at Hard Rock Hotel, including mine, wheres the security?

Tigger1

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Just back from Florida:(

During are stay at Hard Rock Hotel on June 10th are van was broken into. I discovered the broken window when I took a few things out to the van, we were checking out that day. Soon two employees showed up and told me that 10 vans/suvs were broken into (later I was told that 11 were broken into). They asked if anything was taken, which I did not find anything yet. I was told by the employees that usually the thieves just look quickly for tvs. I did not have a tv in the van but whoever was in it looked threw everything, glove compartment was emptied to floorboard, two Mickey watches were in it: the side pockets of my cooler were emptied (just tea bags) ect. These thieves took there time looking threw my van and had 10 other vehicles to go threw also.

Hard Rock Hotel said they would vacumn my van out, which they did. I was told I would have to stay at the hotel until the police showed up (they had been there but just left). I asked what my children were to do that we were to check out at 11, it was about 10:15 at this time. they said we could stay in our room.

While I waited for my van to be vacumned, I asked an employee how often cars have been robbed. He said about 3 or 4 times and that they went over a month with no break-ins once. This hotel has not been open very long, February I think was the opening.



I waited and waited for the police to show back up. We recieved a call from the front desk wondering why we had not left. They had no idea that we were told to stay in the room. I then decided to get the luggage in the van and wait in the lobby (after being broken into no one wanted to hang out at the pool). I asked one of the employees whom I think was helping with the vacumning when we could leave. His responce was something like, "Why havent you left already". I told him the police had not shown up. He then said he would check on it. About 15 minutes later he told me the police were not coming back and that I could phone in my report. We were tired and hungry at this point, wish we would have knowned we could call in 4 hours ago.

I then pulled to the front of the hotel to load our luggage. One of the many bell/valet employees told me I could not park there (broken windows covered in plastic dont look good in front of the hotel). I then got this feeling that the only reason the hotel was so willing to get the vehicles to the service area to vacumnn was to get them out of sight. As we were loading the van a police officer did show up, and by know three vehicles that were broken into were at the front of the hotel loading luggage.

As we sat in the lobby, doing the report the manager came over and asked if anyone would like a some water. Hmmm, Water. I felt speecchless.


I was told that Hard Rock plans to get a guard at the gate. I think they need to only allow only Hotel guest to park at the hotel. I had a very hard time finding a parking spot . In fact, many cars were parking in non designated spots due to lack of parking. A parking ticket is given upon entry for those at Citywalk(??) to have validated. Is'nt there other parking for City walk?
If only Hotel guest could enter the parking lot maybe it would not be so easy for 11 cars to be broken into. I also questain how none of the Bell/Valet parking attendents did not here 11 cars being broken into. Did'nt car alarms go off? Well maybe they did here something, I do not have the police report yet.

I think the worse part of the whole incident was feeling of being on our own at the hotel. The only comfort we were offered while waiting 4 hours for the police was water. I was surpriced when they actually brought botteled water, at this point I figures water in a paper cup.

A couple of days later, I recieved a message on my cell phone that Loews would pay the cost of the window repair and that I would receive something from HRH. HRH sent a coupon for 1 nights stay in the next year. My childrens responce was, " Mom, 1 free night and have the window broken again?".

We are not planning on going to Disney for another two years but I was told that we could extend the certificate to 2 years. Maybe I will let the older children stay HRH, I
(18, 20 and 21 by then) and I will stay at OLd Key West where my van feels safer (I will drop the kids off at the hotel).

Tigger
 
I'm sorry to hear about this.

Unfortunately this is a new hotel. Hopefully this incident will lead to increased security at the parking lot. Including restricting it to hotel guests.

I would write to Loews about the lack of security in the parking lot and that you are dissatisfied with their compensation.

One free night does not cut it in my opinion.

They should have comped your entire stay.

-Jon
 
Oh, Tigger1:

What a horrible experience. I'm so sorry this happened during your stay.
 

That's horrible!

I'm so sorry this happened to you. What a bummer. The only consolation, it happened on your last day??

Thanks, too, for sharing this info.

I will certainly be careful not to leave anything in our car when we stay there.

Was it your own van or a rental??

Just wondering.
:(
 
Tigger, what an awful experience to go through when on vacation, and unfotunately, that is what you will remember of your vacation.

I am on my way down there in a few days and that really unnerves me - from the standpoint of the burglary itself to the lack of communication and sensitivity on management's part.

I hope you take pen in hand or keyboard, and put this in writing to the resorts attention; that is how changes are made. Be honest in your letter and how you feel management and the resort did very little in your family's time of need.

Rest assured, this happens at Disney too - random acts of crime/violence - they just do the best they can to control it. When you think about it, it sounds as if they do a decent job. Putting guards at the gate at all the resorts at Disney was helpful, I am sure, in alleviating alot of those types of problems. Hopefully, HRH will do the same.
 
I do understand your anger. I, as many people, can identify with the situation. As a Universal employee, I feel compelled to extend an apology for your experience. Since I am a human being, I wish to make record that crime is not a problem particular to our property. It is absolutely everywhere, and Disney is no exception. I can tell you that you are not necessarily safer anywhere by virtue of the symbol on the letterhead, or the group of stockholders who own the company who owns the theme park you choose to visit.

You were the victim of random violence, which has no immunity to any famous image or reputation.

In defense of my employer, the situation was given attention, and is probably not closed out yet. The staff and certainly the company wish you to walk away happy but this will certainly not ever be. Hopefully your contempt will end up being with the perpetrators of the crime and not with the company associated with the hotel chain you used. There is actually very little crime inside property compared with the city, and less incident of violent crime than Disney can honestly represent (honestly there are simply more targets there).

You are in a minority of unfortunate victims of savage crime in a crappy world and no one would disagree, just try not to make others form an opinion that others will see the same results of their vacations with us. It is inaccurate and an unfair insinuation.
 
IOATECH,

Wouldn't you agree that HRH needs to wake up and have better security in the parking lot? Maybe even restrict it to only HRH guest access?

As much as I defend Universal and hate Disney, the hotel is at fault. I cannot enter the parking lot at most of Disney's resorts without a guard asking me what I am doing there if I do not have a resort ID card. Also, all Disney resorts give out parking passes to put in your windshield so your car will be identified as a guest. I have seen security at Disney resorts looking at cars in resort parking lots for the proper parking pass.

Let's face it, Disney has been in the resort business a lot longer than Universal has. Maybe you guys need to borrow a few of their security measures.
 
When we checked in (on the 10th) my DH commented on the Lamborgini sitting outside, did you notice it? They said they weren't going to park that in the lot becuase cars were getting broken into, so we made sure to get everything out of the van. Sorry you such a bad experience!
 
Security of the lot has probably been dramatically increased. I can not speak for that department. I do know that the management of security is professionally driven and expertly responsive to problems as they are learned of.

The problem as indicated here will be dealt-with and gone in short order. I will venture to say it was likely isolated and probably in the past.

Concerning the Universal learning curve: remember a healthy number of policy-makers with our company came from Disney. No entity is markedly better in running this sort of operation than the other. Only influence and partnerships make the difference. If you search the web for crime at Disney, you may get a few returns. same for Universal. Search for injuries and deaths and the scales tip in favor of Universal. Such things are hard to conceal in a national venue. Understand the machine at work in Central Florida. Petty crime is small news, but gets people very upset before, during and after the trip. Injury accidents "never happen to me" and due to the blind trust factor are seldom even regarded, unless you really dig.

So, while you are driven back by reports of theft and vandalism from secular discussions, news of serious crimes or more serious mishaps sometimes go unnoticed. This is not to say, and please do not misconstrue, that theme parks are unsafe. I just know that mine is not. They will get it right as far as security. They were tested and won't be fooled again, but learn from Disney? That is just nonsense. The issue of comps is separate and the hotel will get better at that game. Do you remember all the horror stories about the Portofino after opening? Do you still hear them? Specifically, blame for police response lies with the police. How can Universal be faulted for that? The emotions of the poster are absolutely justified, but how does this equate to lighting torches and raising a posse on the parent company in this situation.
 
I am so sorry this happened to you. And doesn't it seem worse to have happened while on vacation?

I agree the HRH should have done more. If I personally had a guest at my home and while they were at my home someone broke into their car parked in the street, I would do much more than offer a bottle of water. Wouldn't you?

It could be that the staff did not tell management of your breakin right away and that caused a delay. But once the management knew, more should have been done. I am sure they have a hospitality suite they could have offered while you waited and some snacks. They could have tried to call the police to find out what was the delay. Had they pampered you as an injured guest should have been treated and then offered one night free stay, I am sure that you would have felt differently.

For some reason, the HRH seems to be operating on the premise that if you ignore a problem it will go away. Not true...it will grow and become harder to resolve. If they had stepped forward immediately and offered sincere assistance and compassion, they would have not lost you as a future guest. When I had a broken tooth while staying at the Radisson Twin Towers (not their fault), the staff bent over backwards to help me get emergency dental assistance (and it was on the day of checkout too). I was so impressed that I told everyone and wrote a letter to Radisson. Their graciousness resulted in great word of mouth publicity.

 
Wow, I'm glad I read this. We're driving down from Pennsylvania in November and will be staying at the HRH. We have a TV in our van and I never ever gave it a thought. We're dong the Disney cruise and then will be doing Universal. All I can do is take all the precautions that I can and hope for the best. And I totally agree with IOATech. It can happen anywhere.
Thanks for the input. Eric
 
Thanks everyone for the thoughts and suggestains, I will take action.

We were driving our own van. We did stay the next three nights at a Disney resort, we were stopped by security at the Disney resort upon entering, and were asked to remove our prior parking pass for the resort for the stay a week earlier. They do check whose coming in. I also noticed the vehicle marked security driving around the resort many times at the Disney resort (Old Key West). I did not think that I would be able to find anyone to replace my window until a weekday so I waited until Monday to start calling (yellow pages). I was able to get someone to come out the next day. Thankfully, I had reservations until Wednesday. There was no way I could drive home with a broken window.


Caliope, The Lamborgini actually was parked in front of the HRH the night before the cars were broken into. My teenagers watched from the room the many Valet parking employees as the wiped the Lamborgini that it would leave the hotel.

Molokia, The Entertainment book is great. BTW, the Manager did already know of the incident.

Another couple I talked to before we did the police reports said that the Hotel did offer them lunch, they declined as they just had breakfast. I guess they were in the lobby waiting. My family should have waited in the lobby, although I would have felt a need to tell other guest to beware of leaving anything in there vehicle.

Tigger
 
How sickening to hear about this!
So sorry this happened to you Tigger1 (and the other 10 victims as well). Really wish, for your familys' sake, the situation had been better handled by HRH staff.

So security will "probably" be improved now? Guess we'll "probably" keep our reservations in Aug. (but only if they've had their monthly break-ins the week prior!)
Why wouldn't HRH have prevented a second break-in in the first place? It's a pretty simple area to secure... either a vehicle turning in there belongs, or it doesn't!

Hopefully everything works out for you Tigger1, so as to prevent all negative memories. I'd surely say you were put out on a limb, alone. HRH should've been there with you (if not FURTHER out on that limb!)
Jim
 
Jon360, I've heard of car break in's occurring at Disney resorts too, and believe it or not the more expensive hotels are the ones which are the most susceptible. All you have to do to park at the Grand Floridian is tell the guy at the gate that you are having dinner there. At Boardwalk all you need to do is say you are coming in to do some shopping. At the Swan/Dolphin (not technically Disney hotels) there is even less security than HRH or PBH since their lots aren't even gated.
 
IOATECH,
your explanations and logic in your posts on the car break-in's at Universal are very interesting. First off,
he parent company is responsible for this incident.
The HRH parking lot is private property, this was not the first time it happened, and instead of posting a guard, or hiring a security company to patrol the lot, they continued to let vehicles be broken into. To say it is a police problem is also not true, because the police respond to incidents inside private property and it is the hotel's responsibility to take care of the inside with security and call police when needed. You seem to convey the same attitude that Tigger1 was confronted with at the hotel, when she was offered a bottle of free water. For the amount of money guests pay at this hotel, security should not be a problem or a cost factor but a benefit. Certain crime situations can not be avoided, but as I mentioned above the easy fix never happened. I will be visiting HRH soon, and I can tell you that I will not accept doubletalk from Universal or HRH employees if a situation like this happens to me, and a bottle of water will not cool me off either...
;)
P.S.
Can you tell Im from New York?:cool:
 
I said "probably" because I am not employed by the Security department, nor Leows. I do not keep myself updated with the status of security or integrity of the hotel operations, and I can't speak for them. I did indicate that the staff there will certainly get better at guest relations. They will certainly improve their acumen in operating that business over time.

I will not entertain attacks on my statements, however, regardless of where someone lives. I have a different mission here, and you are entitled to your opinions. Safety and enjoyment of the park guest is my particular reason for being.
 
Ok IOATECH
your remarks just verify my remarks in my post.
Have a nice day

:cool:
 
Personally I feel that the parking situation at both resorts really stinks! I just stayed 4 days at PBH, I think I must have spent a fortune between fees & tipping & lots of my time parking the car. I think it's pretty crappy to have to pay $10.00 for over night valet parking when your paying a big amount for staying at the hotel, and they certainly don't make it easy to self park. I stay in lots of hotel throughout the year & usually the only time you have to pay a fee for parking as a resort guest is in a big city like NY or Boston.
 
As an added note:

The operator of an hotel/resort/inn has a similar liability of it's parking lot to that of any other private business - such as a shopping mall or grocery store. Honestly, as long as a parking lot is well-lit and free of hazards (ok - criminals aren't considered a hazard) then the operator/owner of the business are not responsible for your automobile while it is on their property.

Although I realize that Universal & Disney are different than any other type of business, when it comes to the law and limited liability they aren't. If your car got broken into at a shopping mall do you think the owner of the mall is at fault or liable for the damage? Good Luck! Even those "passes" handed out at the little Disney "guard shacks" have the words "not responsible...." printed all over them! Break-ins like this happen all the time, in hotels all over Orlando, and in cities all over the world - it's incredible unfortunate.

Legally, the only way a private business can be held responsible for damages to your automobile (or losses) is if they valet parked your car. Then, you usually have at least somewhat of a leg to stand on.

The fact that the HRH hotel cleaned up your van AND is paying for the replacement of you window is great - that's above their call of duty. Yes, I'm also an employee of Universal Orlando - and was happy to hear they are paying for the damages (although it's very upsetting to hear how you were treated that morning).

Sorry, just wanted to set the facts on who's liable straight.
 















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