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- Apr 8, 2001
I am going to bail out of this discussion b/c I am just shocked at the few of you with your rose colored glasses. Baffling.
I agree.
I am going to bail out of this discussion b/c I am just shocked at the few of you with your rose colored glasses. Baffling.
I'm not sure who is actually wearing rose colored glasses. I live in the real world and presented very real world information. Facts and data. An incident occured, DCL investigated and dealt with the issue. The fact that the victim did not want to press charges is frustrating because this prevert is stil out there. But that was the fault of the victim....or rather her grandparents.
If this had been reported 3 hrs later, there would be no question that it was DCL's authority and responsibility to investigate the incident. DCL security personell investigate all kinds of incidents every day they are at sea. They are trained to do investigations and they are trained in law enforcement. This only issue is one of jurisdiction. All security issues on the ship must include the ship's security. Local law enforcement can't even get on the ship unless they go thru the ships security personell. This was not an emergency situation. Although people are talking about it like it was. This was alledged inapropiate touching and required an investigation. Had they called the cops in PC they might have shown up an hour or so later. They would have to be allowed on the ship by the ship security and they would have had to be escorted and guided by security to go view the tape and taken by security to question the child. This was an incident that requied an investigationa and that what the ships security did.
Bottom line is, if you don't trust the ship's security officers to do their job then you should not cruise because once you are at sea, there is no 911 call to get a cop.
This is completely offensive and WRONG. Ethically and legally, DCL was in the wrong by not reporting this to the local police. What does it matter if their officers are "packing" if they are using their authority to aid and abet pedophiles escaping justice?
Whose word do we have that the grandparents decided not to press charges? Only DCL's. So they (DCL) decided police don't get to investigate based on that? No. That's not their prerogative.
If this had been reported 3 hrs later, there would be no question that it was DCL's authority and responsibility to investigate the incident. DCL security personell investigate all kinds of incidents every day they are at sea. They are trained to do investigations and they are trained in law enforcement. This only issue is one of jurisdiction. All security issues on the ship must include the ship's security. Local law enforcement can't even get on the ship unless they go thru the ships security personell. This was not an emergency situation. Although people are talking about it like it was. This was alledged inapropiate touching and required an investigation. Had they called the cops in PC they might have shown up an hour or so later. They would have to be allowed on the ship by the ship security and they would have had to be escorted and guided by security to go view the tape and taken by security to question the child. This was an incident that requied an investigationa and that what the ships security did.
That trust has been shaken and if they don't answer for this and change their policies to protect children, then you're right, I shouldn't cruise with them again. and I won't.
But they didn't do all they could....they could have (and should have) followed Florida law, and called the police while they were still in port.....
.... It was the grandparents who "let him get away".
Re-read what I said. "Disney did all they could do at that time by firing him and sending him home." Yes, in the Bahamas, when the grandmother refused to press charges, what else could they have done? I agree someone (or multiple people) dropped the ball in Florida. But in the Bahamas, they acted appropriately.
I am the mother of a young daughter, but I am not totally upset with DCLs choice of action. Nor am I going to demand a written explination from DCL or cancel a cruise because of it.
Would you want your employer to call the police to have you arrested without anyone ever talking to you? Should DCL call the police every time someone claims their room steward took something? What if they had identified the wrong person based on the video alone? What if the wrong guy had been dragged off the ship? What if the girl had lied? (I'm not saying she did.) The video is not cut and dry, with regard to the person or what happened. My point is that perhaps it was not unreasonable for DCL to ask some questions.
DCL started an investigation, located the person they believed to be the attacker, questioned him, got an in-person ID by the girl, reported it to FL police during the process and turned him over to authorities immedaitely upon getting to the Bahamas. The girl was not in an immedite risk of harm. The guy was not going to be able run away. And I doubt seriously DCL let him wander the ship once they found him. Even if the FL police had been involved, the outcome would have no different. It was the grandparents who "let him get away".
I am the mother of a young daughter, but I am not totally upset with DCLs choice of action. Nor am I going to demand a written explination from DCL or cancel a cruise because of it.
Would you want your employer to call the police to have you arrested without anyone ever talking to you? Should DCL call the police every time someone claims their room steward took something? What if they had identified the wrong person based on the video alone? What if the wrong guy had been dragged off the ship? What if the girl had lied? (I'm not saying she did.) The video is not cut and dry, with regard to the person or what happened. My point is that perhaps it was not unreasonable for DCL to ask some questions.
DCL started an investigation, located the person they believed to be the attacker, questioned him, got an in-person ID by the girl, reported it to FL police during the process and turned him over to authorities immedaitely upon getting to the Bahamas. The girl was not in an immedite risk of harm. The guy was not going to be able run away. And I doubt seriously DCL let him wander the ship once they found him. Even if the FL police had been involved, the outcome would have no different. It was the grandparents who "let him get away".
I'm sorry you find that offensive. I've tried to stick to the facts and keep the emotions out of it.
Guest services notified: 3:03
Security called at 3:22
Tape viewed: 4:48
Ship sailed: 5:02
I doubt DCL is not under a legal obligation to "immediately notify local law enforcement" before they do a preliminary investigation...anymore than Walmart has a legal obligation to report illegal activity in their store before doing a preliminary investigation.
Had the timeline been 14 minutes later it would clearly fall on ship's security. Ships security deal with hundreds of issues and allegations but don't dial 911 becuase most of the time they are at sea.
Thanks you for your very rationale opinion! I was thinking the same thing.
If a teacher is reported to the principal that a teacher 'touched them inapropiately' would you want the cops to rush in and drag the teacher out of school in handcuffs? Maybe the principal should do a little investigation to validate the claim? Maybe he should talk to the teacher first! Maybe he should look at the video tape from the classroom. Find out if there were witnesses. Once there is reasonable cause to conclude a crime has been committed, then you call the cops.
First off, they had TWO HOURS to call the proper authorities.
Second....you're wrong. Walmart, DCL, anyone......MUST call the police when an alleged crime such as child molestation has been reported on U.S. soil. Just because it happened on "private property" doesn't mean that they can do their own investigation. I can think of so many scenarios where a defense like that one wouldn't hold water. What if someone robbed my business, and I decided to be the judge and jury and just shot the guy?????
DCL HAD NO RIGHT TO WITHHOLD THE INFORMATION FROM THE FLORIDA AUTHORITIES.
If your daughter were raped by a stranger, would you want to go out and find the person first, before you called the police???
And last.....it DIDN'T occur 14 minutes later!!!! They had time, they could have held the ship, they CHOSE NOT TO.
I honestly don't understand why anyone would be defending DCL's actions....or anyone's actions that let a molester go free.
I know everyone has heard me say this before, and I've been trying really hard to not say it, but I guarantee you that if this had happened on any other cruise line (especially Carnival) while they were still in port, people on this Board would be going NUTS over it.
Did the Family of the girl notify police? I didn't read everything fully so don't know if that was said or not.
Thanks you for your very rationale opinion! I was thinking the same thing.
If a teacher is reported to the principal that a teacher 'touched them inapropiately' would you want the cops to rush in and drag the teacher out of school in handcuffs? Maybe the principal should do a little investigation to validate the claim? Maybe he should talk to the teacher first! Maybe he should look at the video tape from the classroom. Find out if there were witnesses. Once there is reasonable cause to conclude a crime has been committed, then you call the cops.
The principal is required to report any suspected abuse. He/she has no other choice.
Not to the cops, a similar thing happened with a teacher in Oklahoma and the cops were not called until after the school district conducted their own investigation.