Orlando Sentinel story about "inappropriate fondling" on the Dream

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  1. Bella29

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    yes sure, isn't that how the Catholic church handled it too? Keep it quiet, in-house, be reasonable. Transfer the abuser somewhere else.

    People who apologize for child molesters and those who cover up their crimes make me sick.
     
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  3. pyramid2000

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    Well, they did the wrong thing if it was a child.
    http://okea.org/about-oea/media-center/myth-vs.-fact-child-abuse-reporting

    http://www.okdhs.org/programsandservices/cps/default.htm

    And for good measure https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/manda.pdf#Page=2&view=Fit which has each state listed of who must report (Florida included which says everyone is required to make a report.)
     
  4. su_A_ve

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    Still don't understand the family not wanting to press charges here - I smell some 'incentives' coming from DCL in order to keep it under wraps and if the store was not 100% solid, then more of a reason to keep quiet.

    Either way - credible or not, the person would more than likely had been relieved of duties.

    My .02...
     
  5. Rogillio

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    This issue is not cut and dry. There are dozens of question unanswered. So each of us in our own minds have made assumption to fill in where we have no data. What exactly did he confess to? Were there other camera angles? Was the Captain notified before they set sail? Was it the head of security that did the investigation? Why did the local athorities not do anything after they were notified? If DCL broke the law, why are local athorities not indicting someone? Why has the mainstream media not picked up on this story? Did the victim speak English? Did the grandparents speak English? Did the grandparents tell DCL they did not want to press charges while they were still in PC? Did grandparents tell DCL that they didn't want their GD talking to police?

    I could go on and on. I think we beat this dead horse long enought. I know some what to keep it alive so they can continue to slam DCL but I think we are simply rehasing the same points.
     
  6. DMMarla07860

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    Not blaming the grandmother, but not blaming DCL either, bad situation that happened yes, but we don't have the full story to blame anyone. We have a video that doesn't show all that much, to me it didn't look like much besides a guy hitting on a girl which I have seen happen. It's not like he raped her. So while yes I do feel sorry it happened, can't place blame on DCL, they looked into it, guy admitted he did something and he was sent home.
     
  7. Tonka's Skipper

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    Rogillo, we are DCL fans and everyone knows our positions on the other line, but in this case, there are enough facts to show the authorities (local, state or feds) should have been notified before the vessel sailed.

    All the other facts may have changed the final details of what happened, but that doesn't change that the vessel should not have sailed!

    AKK


    PS. The Master was advised, no way would he not have been. He may not have been given all the details, but enough would have been told to him to decide to sail or not.

    AKK
     
  8. Tonka's Skipper

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    Oh my friend, you just had to say that little bit there!

    I doesn't change much, and we agree on the rest, but they were on Bahamian soil, not US soil, they were in a US port.

    To you, me, others reading and the bulkhead, it really doesn't matter but legally it makes a big difference.


    AKK


    PS. As odd as this may seem, if it had been a US flag vessel, Florida local or state authorities could investigate, but could not remove the crew member from the vessel. Only a Federal Marshall could take him off the vessel.
     
  9. Rogillio

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    I respectfully disagree. If the grandparents told DCL they were not going to talk to police there was no reason to call the police and delay the departure of the ship. For all they had was hearsay. The tape alone shows nothing afoul. DCL still had an obligation to get the guy off the ship and they did that.
     
  10. Rogillio

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    Wow. Interesting! After 13 pages I finally learned something. ;-)

    OK, so since it was a Bahamian flagged vessel, who has the athority to remove him?
     
  11. PatriciaH

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    According to the articles:

    "Port Canaveral police chief Joseph Hellebrand said his department can investigate and refer for prosecution such crimes on ships. Anything that occurs within 1,000 feet of its shoreline, as this incident did with the Dream tied to dock, is at least in part port jurisdiction, Hellebrand said.

    But Port Canaveral police were prevented from investigating because Disney Cruise Line, or DCL, did not report the crime immediately, as Hellebrand said they should.

    Had DCL done so, the chief said, “We would have sent an officer aboard the ship, we would have notified the (on-call) detective, we would have interviewed the family, the victim, the suspect,” and, if warranted, arrested the dining room server."

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/di...ort/-/1637132/20227248/-/1hsdp6z/-/index.html
     
  12. Tonka's Skipper

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    Actually, they all have the right to investigate, and I believe who ever got to him first (as its not a US flag vessel) could take him into custody.

    The big question is whose authority would be paramount to prosecute him???


    AKK
     
  13. PatriciaH

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    She told DCL she did not want to press charges 2 days later according to the article.

    "But by then – two days into a five-day Disney cruise – the victim’s grandmother had decided she did not want the crime investigated. DCL would not say if it refunded any or all of the family’s cruise expenses."

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/di...ort/-/1637132/20227248/-/1hsdp6z/-/index.html

    Strange since they reported the incident 8 minutes after it happened. They must have been willing to do something at this point.

    "Eight minutes after the molestation -- and two hours before the ship departed -- the victim and her grandmother emerged from the elevator at 3:03 p.m. and headed toward the guest services counter, where they reported the incident."

    Also:

    "Had Florida law enforcement immediately been informed of the potential life felony and found probable cause, Hellebrand said the suspect would have been arrested, regardless of a victim’s grandmother’s wishes.

    But the rules are different in the Bahamas."
     
  14. DMMarla07860

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    Sorry I don't know the cruise laws, so I can't say if DCL should have reported this. I mean it is flagged under Bahamas, so different rules? And the missing CM yes I remember thought again can't say it was handle poorly, didn't they search the ship?
     
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    I knew when I typed that it wasn't quite right, because (obviously) the ship isn't really ON soil.
    But from what I gathered, Florida still had jurisdiction, and they (FL police) should still have been called.
    I won't go any further as to who would remove him from the ship, because I admit I know nothing about the laws onboard.....but I believe with all my heart that the police should have been interviewing the little girl, not anyone onboard. That's all I'm trying to say.
     
  16. GoofyTwinDad

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    Ignorance is bliss. "didn't look like much besides a guy hitting on a girl", are you serious? Have you ever been molested or raped? If not, you have no right to make a comment like this.

    You are one of the staunchest supporters on DIS who always wants everyone to follow DCL's rules and guidelines, and yet it is DCL who let a child molester walk away on their own dime. Sorry if this offends anyone, but I have a difficult time supporting DCL (our family loves DCL) in this situation.
     
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    I am seriously going to throw up. I can't believe you said this.

    A. It wasn't just a "guy hitting on a girl".....it was an ADULT bothering a MINOR.

    B. "It wasn't like he raped her"??????? You didn't really just say that, did you???? That's like saying "Well, he/she was ONLY stabbed, not murdered, so therefore, it's no big deal".

    I'm so shocked at your remarks I can't even think straight.

    I realize that you are young...and I'm going to let some of what I'm thinking go because you don't have enough life experience to know better than to make such remarks.
    All I can say is that I pray to God nothing like this ever happens to you, or someday, a child of yours. Because you know what? MY daughter was raped, and you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. None.
     
  18. Moxin

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    I, too, am a very dedicated DCL patron, but I am very concerned about this incident. I don't blame DCL for what this jerk did, but how they handled it gives me great pause.

    I don't understand how DCL could have allowed this to happen. Was the captain not notified in time? Why wasn't he detained onboard until the ship returned to PC?

    This whole thing is going to leave a very black eye on DCL if they don't explain what occurred, and soon.
     
  19. Rogillio

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    Sure she does! Why does one have to have been raped to opine about what they believe they see on a video. I don't see anything conclusive on the video. They'd better have more video that what was posted if they want to take it to court otherwise it'd just be he said/she said. He confessed but we really don't know what he confessed to....we can only assume what he confessed to.
     
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    In the very beginning, almost ALL cases of rape/molestation are He said/She said. That is why something like this should be investigated by the police.

    You are right in the fact that we really can't tell by what video is posted, nor did we hear his confession.....all true. But....we are not the jury....and we are not the police.....and NEITHER IS DISNEY CRUISE LINE.

    The LAW states that any accusation, especially made by a child with a threat against a child, should be IMMEDIATELY reported to the local authorities, and IT WASN'T.

    I have no idea why you keep hanging on to this. Do you really love Disney so much that you can't SEE that just this once, they "might have" screwed up????
    Or are you just kicking back having fun playing Devil's Advocate?
     
  21. Rogillio

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    You are getting very rude. Chill out. She gave an opinion...if that makes you throw up, don't feel like you need to tell that and in an attempt to discredit someone.
     
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