FP+ is Live! Magic Bands in the park!

[bcrook]

This is from the Orlando Sentinel: It discusses the opening of Antarctica at Seaworld yesterday. It is relevant to this discussion. The article tackles some of the same themes. Disney's shrinking share of the Orlando market.

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[mom2mickeyfan]

I think Star Wars could have even more staying power than Harry Potter.

And besides, isn't true staying power based how good a ride is?? It doesn't matter what a ride it based on if it isn't a good ride. Word of mouth gets around. A great thrill ride or 2 wouldn't need to be based on a great movie franchise to draw in the teens. Word of mouth (text, facebook) would give it the draw that I think any theme park would want!

 

[Angel Ariel]

I think Star Wars could have even more staying power than Harry Potter.

Considering Star Wars is already 36 years old (from when Episode IV was originally released), and how popular it is with young kids even now, I think that franchise has already proven it has staying power.

 

[mesaboy2]

Considering Star Wars is already 36 years old (from when Episode IV was originally released), and how popular it is with young kids even now, I think that franchise has already proven it has staying power.

Yes. And with multiple movies back in the pipeline, it will likely only increase in "staying power". HP will likely have it too, though it will always be a younger sibling.

 

[Doug7856]

This is from the Orlando Sentinel: It discusses the opening of Antarctica at Seaworld yesterday. It is relevant to this discussion. The article tackles some of the same themes. Disney's shrinking share of the Orlando market.

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I'm personally not excited about Antarctica. It wouldn't motivate me to add a Seaworld day to our trip. My 4 year old may have different thoughts though.

I still find Disney's stubborn refusal to aggressively add attractions puzzling...and the choice of Avatar even more puzzling.

 

[bcrook]

I'm personally not excited about Antarctica. It wouldn't motivate me to add a Seaworld day to our trip. My 4 year old may have different thoughts though.

I still find Disney's stubborn refusal to aggressively add attractions puzzling...and the choice of Avatar even more puzzling.

I will check Antarctica out in a few weeks. But, I don't expect it to be a game changer. But, the fact that SeaWorld is working hard at taking some of the pie is what I found interesting. I will also try Busch Gardens for the first time since the mid 80's. The 14 day pass is too good to pass up. I haven't been to SeaWorld Orlando since 1977. I think it has changed some.

 

[jcammans]

***Disclaimer***
I have been reading all of the FP+ posts since the news first hit. I rarely comment but I constantly lurk here on the DIS. I have no inside information. Everything that I am posting below is completely speculative.
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I have a few thoughts that I want to add to this discussion:

1. No where has it been said that you can only get 3 FP+ per day. It's been stated that you can only PRE-BOOK 3, but nobody has said that you absolutely cannot get any more day of.
What I mean is this: What IF... You could pre-book your 3 (60 days out), and then "pick up" more on that day while you are at the park? With this theory, you would be able to use the MDE app on your device or a kiosk and grab 1 FP. This 1 FP would play by the same rules as the current system where you have an enforced return time and you cannot grab another FP until your window opens again. Theoretically, you could actually be holding 4 FP at a time. (3 pre-booked plus 1 day of)
Again, this is just speculation and perhaps wishful thinking...

2. Some were talking about Disney making a FP "coveted". Yes, this is definitely what I think Disney wants to do. I could then imagine them making it a package deal add on. Imagine them now selling something like "MYW plus Dining plus Thrills" for resort guests where you would get your base ticket, a dining plan, and then your "thrills" package which would include additional E-ticket FP+?!?!!

I know that I had a lot more thoughts while reading through all of these posts, but I just wanted to throw the first two out there for discussion... Perhaps I'll add some more of my thoughts later.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

Now that I posted a pessimist view above, here is an optimistic view.

Why guest experience (for us planners) will be improved:

No matter how this is implemented, there are two constants, ride capacity and attendance (for a given day). I still don't think this will make a significant impact on attendance.

Therefore, for a given ride, demand for fastpass won't change. Except for Toy Story, soaring, and test track, fastpasses last well into the evening on most days. So with the limit of one per attraction, allowing pre trip selection won't increase overall demand. There will be less available same day, but less demand for same day. They should last just as long into the evening.

What about B rides? Same principle applies. Demand for small world won't change. For every person who takes a small world fastpass, that's one less person in the stand by line. When you get into stand by, instead of 100 people in line in front of you, there will only be 30. The other 70 have fastpass. So while the line will move a lot slower, total wait will be the same as demand is the constant. Is stand by for the mountains a longer wait now than before fastpass even though the line moves slower now?

Now here is where us vets will see an advantage with fastpass +. While, now, all fastpasses have value to most, everyone is in competition for the same ones. But, with fastpass +, we will know which ones have little value. With those who don't know better using their limited number of fastpasses (there always was and always be some limit) on lights motor action, that will actually decrease competition for valued fastpasses. Valued fastpasses might actually last longer.

There is one thing that could mess this up. Is the block of people who don't use fastpasses because they think it costs extra or is for VIPs significant? And, if so, will enough of them use fastpass + to mess up everything I just wrote, which depended on constant demand for fastpasses?

I hope this at least gives the silver lining some here said they were looking for.

 

[Squidgyness]

That article on SeaWorld and its expansion was interesting. I was intrigued by the mention of things like butterbeer.

We all know on these boards people are mentioning the declining quality of park goods (I haven't been in four years, so I can't say anything on the matter.) If this is true, doesn't it seem like something Disney ought to tackle especially considering the marketable goods at Harry Potter at Universal?

If a kid comes home to his school saying "wow look what I got at universal!" and shows something like a harry potter wand, other kids are A) Going to want to go to Universal and B) Going to want to spend their money there.

What do people think?

And with regards to the posts above, that's my thinking. Best case, you can get same day fastpasses and doesn't affect standby times, worst case, sold out FP's and longer lines.

However, given that they are adding fastpass to these odd places that didn't have it before like LMA or counter service, I can't help but feel that somewhere the lines will end up being longer than they are now. They can't keep the standby line the same wait time everywhere, surely? That would take some hard managing from Disney.

 

[Rileygirl]

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[Doug7856]

As usual Rileygirl, you hit the nail on the head. I was a travel agent when the MYW tickets came out and they were brilliant. As a travel agent I used the $5 day logic to up sell extra nights with great success. "Four days at the parks is great, but for the cost of lodging and just $5 per person per day you can really take your time and enjoy your favorite parks and rides for a few extra dollars."

I would not be surprised by a new ticket structure at all. Disney's strategy of MYW tickets + Magical Express really limited Uni's ability to grow. HP's expansion is a true game changer. Personally I believe the infrastructure investments are essential to Disney's long term plans. A new ticket structure may help delay the Potter effect, but I predict it will not have the success that MYW + Magical Express had for years.

Avatar seems like a real misfit for Disney from many perspectives, especially now that Star Wars is part of the Disney family. You could have the moon of Endor at DAK and achieve the same objectives and they don't have to pay anyone for the rights. Lots more merchandise potential with Ewoks than the blue creatures.

 

[mom2rtk]

I do understand that. And you need to understand they I chose to save my vacation dollars in order to purchase DVC and now I rarely travel anyplace else. Plus, DVC is the least of my travel concerns.... Have you seem airfare prices lately?! But I make WDW travel my priority. For Christmas I ask for an annual pass and for my birthday, I ask for Disney Gift cards. I got an American Express Delta card to get the free 30k miles and other perks. I use my Capital One CC rewards to pay for everything else travel-related. I nickel and dime my way to Disney so that I CAN go several times a year.

If people choose to go once every 5 years and spend their travel dollars and time elsewhere in the interim, so be it. But I guarantee I'll gain more satisfaction from my time at WDW because I do not have to elbow grandmothers at Hollywood Studios' rope drop, I refuse to spend all day in a park, and my AP allows me to walk into Epcot to get breakfast in France and then return to BCV and not go to a park again that day.
If people want to try to do it all in one trip, I wish them the best. But with four theme parks, two water parks, DTD, 20 resorts, 75 restaurants and 130+ attractions, it simply isn't possible. I always tell people: pick a few must-dos each day. From there, do what's available, comfortable and fun. Sounds like FP+ will fit that mantra perfectly.

It's admirable that you do what you do to get to the place you love.

But that doesn't change the reality of what folks have to deal with. Those who only get there once a year aren't necessarily just choosing to spend all that money in other areas. Getting to Disney once a year, or once every 5 years, might just be the reality of their budget.

It really doesn't matter WHY a person is there more or less....... just realize that the time they have there definitely affects their "on the ground" approach to touring the parks. With one child in college, another headed that way next year, and another to take his place the minute he graduates, our own vacation dollars are very limited. If we miss something in the parks, we can't just pop back in a few weeks or months and catch it next time. I WISH I could approach the parks with the same laid-back feel as many posters I see here.

I just wish more people would understand why others might have more of a drive to see and do more on a given trip than perhaps they do themselves. The current fastpass system allows us to do that. And you know what? I haven't had to elbow a single grandmother. FP works GREAT for us. We do what we want at a pace that is perfect for us. But that apparently is changing. And it could change the balance enough for us to say good-bye to Disney.

 

[Squidgyness]

Regarding Harry Potter, Universal and Disney

IMHO, Harry Potter will have terrific staying power.

Universal use to be for teens, young adults and thrill seekers, but with HP, there is some serious family wooing going on.

Avatar is a funny thing. It does not have the fan base. It is fraught with merchandising problems and set design.

If I was a Disney Bean Counter, and could choose today which franchise out of the 3 to pick - its a NO BRAINER - HP hands down. They must be kicking themselves. It was a mistake.

I like Star Wars as well, and it should serve the purpose for Disney.
But on a whole, Disney should be thankful that Universal does not have much land left.

Statistics are funny things, and you can make them mean anything you want. But, I think Disney should be concerned with a 29% increase in IOA attendance in 2011.

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Ok, lots of explanation but now I want to get back to the point of 29% increase at Universal in 2011. This is a significant amount. Why? Because not only did IOA increase by 29%, but 1 or 2 things had to happen. 1)People had to be interested enough to spend an extra 150 per person to go see universal while visiting disney: and that is significant if you consider a family of 4. 600 dollars extra for ticket media alone, when they have already spent 1000 on Disney's weeks worth of tickets. That HP MUST be a powerful draw. 2)Or, instead, people decided not to see Disney, but Do Universal, Sea World, and some other combination of attractions, bypassing Disney totally.

Universal Orlando is now getting HP 2, and the attraction again, is slated to be awesome AND family friendly. Hmm, how do you think this will impact Disney? They might be hoisted by their own petard, if you know what I mean.

Its possible that there could be a whole new ticket structure coming out by Disney to combat this very problem.

And yes, Disney should be concerned. Very Concerned. As far as we know, Disney is combating Universal's HP with infrastructure that may, or may not work. They better be pulling a rabbit out of their butt somehow. Infrastructure may be good for long term, it may make more money out of their existing clients, but it has zero 'apparent' attraction for guests today.

Agree 100%. Also, don't forget the flexi ticket (whilst not marketed as much as it could be) gives 14 days UNLIMITED access to 5 or 6 parks for about $250 I believe. Very attractive, especially to international guests.

Disney briefly had the advantage of 4 themeparks over Universals 1 (Then a year later 2) and Seaworlds 1. They also built two waterparks to keep ahead of expansion in non-disney parks, which worked well imo (I don't use them, but lots do.) No need to go to Wet n' wild etc.

Disney has 4 parks and 2 water parks. With the expansion of theme parks around it, that previous superiority in sheer size, number and diversity of parks has been slowly eroded. (Seaworld = 2 or 3 if discovery cove is counted but thats outside the flexi ticket, US/IOA = 2, Busch gardens if you want to include that, Wet n' wild as another water park). So thats 3 major theme parks for the base ticket (and 4 with a bush gardens upgrade) and two water parks. A lot closer in size and number of parks now, even if not equal.

Disney therefore needs the edge in new attractions and quality of those attractions now more than ever. I don't see any more big ones on the horizon in the next couple of years, unless they are playing their cards close to their chests. (Plus, 1BN investment = limited spending for a while I'd have thought.) Universal has the new HP area, and SeaWorld the new penguin exhibit (which is big for them.)

One interesting thing to note is that in my experience outside these boards, Florida has now become a place to go see "Disney and Harry potter at Universal" or "Harry potter at Universal and Disney", and not just "I'm going to Disneyworld!" "Are you going to Universal as well?" You don't have to ask so much anymore, more people seem to say outright if they are going to Universal.

Subtle, but I think that might indicate a shift in public perception regardless imo. Universal is a lot more prominent these days. It's really come out of WDW's shadow.

 

[mom2rtk]

Is this supposed to benefit the planners or non-planners?

It seems the planners-meaning us- are not the target audience. No one I've seen has suggested a way the majority of us could come out better.

It isn't for the non-planners. They won't make plans in advance and will have less same day options.

Newbies may think they are benefiting. They won't know better. But, as has been mentioned, I don't think this is enough to entice people who wouldn't have come otherwise. Maybe it'll get them to plan more Disney days but not more New guests.

The only group who benefits is the planners who like to sleep in and want the 1 headliner per day.

This whole thing is about data mining and maximizing resources. They don't expect this to improve the guest experience, and decided the data and resource management is worth any decrease in guest satisfaction. The bet is the Disney name can absorb the hit, and they won't lose a significant customer base.

The above is worse case scenario, and I hope I'm wrong. I hope the new pres put a stop to this, if it were the plan. But based on what I've read, both official info and speculation, it's the only thing that is logical to me.

Great post. I think Disney believes the planners love Disney enough to just get over any angst about the new system. And they hope the non-planners will now be enticed into planning and start loving Disney even more.

And yes, I agree with your comment about the late sleepers. In reading one thread after another over the past 6 months or so, I have noticed one constant. The late sleepers are the one group consistently happy about the new system.

 

[hollygolitely93]

Regarding Harry Potter, Universal and Disney

IMHO, Harry Potter will have terrific staying power. And, although the first 3 books were definitely 'tweenish' the last four were far more adult. But even still, the elements of this franchise can appeal across the board. I enjoyed the HP books as an adult, and was excited to see HP land at Universal, and it did not disappoint me. I am one of the target consumer types that both D and Uni want : Adult with children, with enough disposable income to vacation every couple of years. Universal use to be for teens, young adults and thrill seekers, but with HP, there is some serious family wooing going on. I think HP franchise will be equal to LOTR, Star WArs, ect.

Avatar is a funny thing. It does not have the fan base. It is fraught with merchandising problems and set design (ok, come on, just close your eyes and picture NAVI Minnie- can't you see mothers with small children fleeing with their strollers? )

I have the utmost respect for James Cameron, and I really liked the movie. Its 'theme' world conservation is an excellent and enduring, and, in my opinion, a perfect fit for AK. But, holy heck, its going to be hard work for 1)merchandisers, 2)costume & set design. Where it could be outstanding, is if James gets the Tech aspect rolling in his land, which I have a lot of confidence he can do. The night time element could be awesome as well.

But if I was a Disney Bean Counter, and could choose today which franchise out of the 3 to pick - its a NO BRAINER - HP hands down. ESPECIALLY for Disney- because like you say, its so big for the tween market. Huge. They must be kicking themselves. It was a mistake.

I like Star Wars as well, and it should serve the purpose for Disney.
But on a whole, Disney should be thankful that Universal does not have much land left.


Statistics are funny things, and you can make them mean anything you want. But, I think Disney should be concerned with a 29% increase in IOA attendance in 2011. This is what that means to me, but I am going to have to explain the "magic' of My Way tickets first. Lets consider this:

Disney's bean counters make the average vacationer choose EITHER Disney or Universal on their one week vacation through the front loading of tickets. How did they do this? Well, before 2005, a 7 day Disney ticket would have had a price structure would look like this (Im too lazy to look up the actual ticket prices, just using some numbers to illustrate a point)
Day 1 costs 60 bucks
Day 2 costs 58
Day 3 costs 55
Day 4 costs 53
Day 5 costs 52
Day 6 costs 51
Day 7 costs 48

So, Joe visitor with a family of 4 could choose to do only 6 days at disney, and buy a 1 day ticket for Universal, and the cost difference to them would only be a matter of a small amount of dollars, I think around 5 or 10. No biggie. So, if Joe was considering seeing at least 1 day at Universal, it would be a simple decision, not based on cost.

Now, those magic bean counters (oh how I admire them for this) did something absolutely amazing. Astounding, Astonishing. They front loaded the tickets and here is what happened (first, the ticket structure, and not exact numbers)
Day 1 65 bucks
Day 2 63
Day 3 61
Day 4 58
Day 5 20
Day 6 3
Day 7 2

What happened here? Well, the price difference between a 5 day ticket, and a 7 day ticket is literally only a couple of dollars. So, when Joe vacationer is making up his mind about what he is going to do in Orlando, well all of a sudden, there is a dilemma. By dropping 2 days off his Disney theme park ticket he is only going to save 5 bucks per person! Then he has to cough up the gate price of Uni for 2 days which is around 150 per person. All of a sudden, the decision is easy. WOW! This ticket price structure was a blow below the belt for Universal. Positively brilliant. Amazing.

And, just food for thought, back in the day when the old D price structure was around, How many people saved their old tickets and admission media if it had one or two days left on it. Everybody had some in their sock drawer, I did! They were worth 50 to a hundred bucks. Then, those Magic My Way tickets debuted and guess what? It devalued those single or 2 day tickets that were in my sock drawer to 5 bucks! How? Well, the next time I did a week vacation, I would have 2 days on my old media ticket, and need to buy a 4 or 5 day ticket. Hmmmmm. And by not purchasing 1 or 2 days on a 7 day ticket, I was saving myself 5 bucks per person. Freakin Brilliant you little RAT Mickey!

And, Im sorry, but 2 more angles on this. When the my way ticket came out, the whole Disney population on these boards were happy! Look at this, fantastic. I can get a 10 day ticket for almost the same price as a 5 day ticket. WOW. How did this help disney? They got people to 1) stay at Disney parks and not stray to other shiny parks, 2) stay longer, driving up food and merchandise profits.

Non Expiring Option
This is brilliant too. Joe Vacationer looks at his base MWY ticket and says, hey, to make it non -expiring, it only costs40 bucks per ticket. So he buys his 7 day ticket, uses 5 days, and 'saves' 2. He spent 40 bucks to insure a 2 day ticket, that is literally worth 5 bucks the next time he visits, assuming he has to purchase 4 days or more. Now, I know, that savvy Dis people know how to use the 10 day NE ticket properly, but you are 10 % of the population. Average joe visitor has not a clue, and they make up 80% of the visitors. This is pure gravy for Disney.

Ok, lots of explanation but now I want to get back to the point of 29% increase at Universal in 2011. This is a significant amount. Why? Because not only did IOA increase by 29%, but 1 or 2 things had to happen. 1)People had to be interested enough to spend an extra 150 per person to go see universal while visiting disney: and that is significant if you consider a family of 4. 600 dollars extra for ticket media alone, when they have already spent 1000 on Disney's weeks worth of tickets. That HP MUST be a powerful draw. 2)Or, instead, people decided not to see Disney, but Do Universal, Sea World, and some other combination of attractions, bypassing Disney totally.

Now, IOA attendance was up by 29%, but Universal Orlando was only up by a much smaller percentage. So, perhaps HP was only enough to get Joe vacationer to visit 1 day at IOA, and not 2 park days. But, Universal Orlando is now getting HP 2, and the attraction again, is slated to be awesome AND family friendly. Hmm, how do you think this will impact Disney? They might be hoisted by their own petard, if you know what I mean. The ticket structure that has now, up until this point, worked like an accountants dream. Now, if Universal can make joe vacationer choose Universal OVER Disney because of that ticket structure, look out.

Its possible that there could be a whole new ticket structure coming out by Disney to combat this very problem.

And yes, Disney should be concerned. Very Concerned. As far as we know, Disney is combating Universal's HP with infrastructure that may, or may not work. They better be pulling a rabbit out of their butt somehow. Infrastructure may be good for long term, it may make more money out of their existing clients, but it has zero 'apparent' attraction for guests today.

It is fascinating corporate pricing strategy at its best. While game-changing attractions altering consumer's perception of who the "target" audience is...one factor to add to your story...the Front of the line pass Universal started for resort stays on property. It not only encourages resort stays but it encourages making Universal Parks a two-day visit versus a one-day visit!

Ultimately it is bottom line that matters. So I would imagine Disney has a few options to maintain and grow market share.

1) attract new guests. needs blue ocean strategy to offer something not currently offered. Is this avatar? Star Wars? Both? While also strengthening their main draw...princesses and offering for younger audience (FLE and Carsland?)

2) Increase amount current guests are spending. Price leveraging? Increasing length of stays? Increase amount purchased while in parks through marketing.

3) Increase repeat visits. Bounce backs, enhancing service experience, and strengthening unique points of difference, like princesses.

Obviously a combination of all three strategies would be at play and the interesting thing is how FP+ can be central to all three. Knowing as much about your consumer is the key way corporate giants win in shark infested waters....Disney will certainly know a lot about is with FP+...

 

[hollygolitely93]

Great post. I think Disney believes the planners love Disney enough to just get over any angst about the new system. And they hope the non-planners will now be enticed into planning and start loving Disney even more.

And yes, I agree with your comment about the late sleepers. In reading one thread after another over the past 6 months or so, I have noticed one constant. The late sleepers are the one group consistently happy about the new system.

Yes...and keep in mind the late sleepers are the majority (or rope drop wouldn't work as a low-crowd strategy) Good news is it will still work as those FPs will be the ones all us Rope Droppers take and while late sleepers ride their big attractions we will ride all the little ones they didn't want FPs for

 

[maiapapaya]

A couple of comments & a question ... I'm just trying to catch up on this thread, a daunting task! LOL This whole FP+ thing makes my head spin!

First, I just wanted to comment on a post from last night:

Hey, is Harry Potter wildly successful right now? Absolutely. But will 12 year old girls be reading that 10 years from now? Maybe, maybe not. Granted the series was the biggest ever and will probably have staying power, but I'm not sure it will be AS popular as, let's say, Toy Story ten years from now.

Toy Story 1 came out in 1995. My sister and her now husband basically just met that year. Right now they have a 9 year old, 6 year old, and 4 year old. None of them were even born for the first two movies! Yet who was their favorite growing up? Buzz. Those kids movies are very powerful for marketing the brand.

Potter is essentially for Tweens. I can't be sure that any of my nieces or nephews will read the series. So why then will they go to Universal? I think we're over-glamorizing Harry Potter because the series is still fresh and people still love it. It'll pass and be replaced by something new for the next group of Tweens (like Hunger Games...) Meanwhile, the next generation of parents will pop Toy Story into the DVD player and their kids will fall in love.

This is spot on with our household. DD21 is a diehard Potter fan. Would LOVE to go to Universal (fortunately the majority in the family still out rules her!). But DD10 is only a soft HP follower. She's read the first book, seen the first few movies, would probably like to see what Universal has to offer, but if there was a Hunger Games land somewhere she'd be all over it! Then there's DD8. HP scares her. We've attempted a few times to get her to revisit it and she has absolutely no interest. I've never really heard any mention of HP amongst her friends either. But, there is a talking Buzz Lightyear amongst the toys that live on DD8's bed!

About FP+, I think eventually, everyone will adapt to the new FP+ and will figure out touring plans accordingly, but the transition phase stresses me, while everyone tries to figure out how it works, the glitches in the system, etc. And we're from Canada, so unless they turbo-boost the wireless in the parks the idea of having to use our phones, with roaming data charges, is a big deterrent! (I don't really relish the idea of standing in line at a kiosk with everyone who is trying to figure out what they're doing & book times if we decide to change or try to acquire something else). We are going to be in WDW for a few days next March. I dread hitting a big test phase while we are there!

I don't remember seeing anything about this in this thread, but I haven't diligently read every post ... when we were at WDW last fall there was some testing going on where pre-selected guests were invited to pre-select times for certain attractions. They got to pick one headliner, a b-attraction and what I would consider a c-attraction, plus a parade or fireworks, I think. When we talk about only being allowed to choose 3 FP's with the new system is this 3 attractions entirely of our choice or will you have to choose from a pre-determined list? Posters talk about Disney directing the less informed to less desirable attractions. Will this just be via "suggestions" or will be limiting what we can choose? (based of course on the limited info & speculation since TPB don't seem too willing to divulge anything else)

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Yes...and keep in mind the late sleepers are the majority (or rope drop wouldn't work as a low-crowd strategy) Good news is it will still work as those FPs will be the ones all us Rope Droppers take and while late sleepers ride their big attractions we will ride all the little ones they didn't want FPs for

Disney is almost forcing the late sleepers into the feeding frenzy for a certain number of rides. Only 60 days earlier. If you want a afternoon FP+ for TSM, you best be online the morning it opens up because the consensus among the rope drops is that we ALSO want those afternoon FP+s for TSM. And since many of us are planners, we will be up at whatever time those FP+s open to get the spots that we want. AFter all, isn't that why most of us are there at rope drop, so that we have more choices. Mind you, I don't believe this will be the case for most rides. But certainly true for a select few. What happens when those late sleepers finally log on to find the only FP+s for TSM they can get is 10:30 or earlier. How happy will they be then?? And how much will this affect the crowds for early mornings?