Discussion in 'Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies' started by PrettyFlower2, Apr 24, 2013.
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We are late sleepers and we don't like what the new system seems to offer. We often park hop so the one park per days isn't good for us. The limit to 3 FP's per days with only 1 headliner isn't great for us either. We would rather ride our favourite over over and over again then get FP's for Dumbo and Mickey's Philharmagic (depending on what's on the "B" and "C" list of attractions)
Answers in bold. Great post! Made me think.
I will say this system seems like it could be very divisive. Not a great thing in anyones book, regardless of which side you are on or who is in the majority.
I don't believe Disney is targeting anyone! I believe there are other things they are after and improving guest experiences isn't one of them. Thats not to say that that isn't what happens but it isn't the goal. Building some new great rides/lands would do far more in improving guest experiences. Not only would guest that have been to Disney before want to come back even more to see what is new. Guest that have never been would hear about all of this cool new stuff that Disney has and want to check it out. Has anyone tried to go to a new resturant the first weekend it opens??? And as for marketing, which Disney commerical is likely to catch someones attention? One showing the cool new land Disney has or one talking about booking your rides in advance?? I know Universals HP commericals got my attention. But new rides....that would bring in your repeating guest along with new guests. More guest would equal more money being spent in stores and on food. This new system can have NO WHERE NEAR the draw that new rides or lands do. I understand where you are coming from with looking into the future but can Disney wait 5 to 10 years to see this fulling increase their numbers?? Another point on this is, I own a dance studio. And every year I offer my parents the opportunity to register online and pay their registration fee online. Less than 5% do this. This too is only a few clicks, put in your name and number and you're done! Most of my parents continue to come into the studio and register. It is going to take a LONG time for Disney to draw all of these non planning, off-site guest into this system.
Again, the more I read the more I believe this new system has nothing to do with improving guest experiences. Disney may want us to believe that and it may actually happen for some guest but as I see it, it can't be Disney's goal in all of this!
On the glimmer of hope side (although the capacity thread shows that this is not sustainable) the only glimpse of what the actual system could look like was from a Dash&Maggie post.
No tiers at Epcot. But the initial selection was all choices grouped in one of four time periods. The terms and conditions clearly say those initial choices can be changed while at the park, but my guess is that we won't be able to break up the grouping before we arrive.
I understand it can all change, but it was a fluke sneak peak. It was enlightening.
I think most of us suspect we will get to pick only one FP from the headliner (e-ticket) A-tier: e.g. Space, Splash, and Big Thunder at MK -- pretty much the same way it was done in testing.
The other 2 FP choices would be for B-tier and C-tier attractions.
Time will tell if this is correct or not.
I think if we find out it's 3 attractions of our choice, many of us will shut up and go away. (I would still feel I was losing out, but not to the degree I think I will right now.) But I just don't think they have the capacity to let everyone choose 3 mountains in the MK. Or TSMM, ToT and RnR at DHS. If they are trying to solve problems people are supposedly having getting access to certain rides, letting people choose 3 attractions of their choice could make the problem worse instead of better.
I would prefer not to pre-schedule my rides, but could live with it. My issue is with the substantial rationing that appears to be coming along with it.
They really just need to A) get the show on the road or B) let loose with a bit more information.
If you have to go on line and buy your ticket, it will be for specific dates like a cruise. This will allow Disney to charge different rates throughout the year. If I go Columbus Day weekend, I will pay more for sat, sun, mon, and less on tues wed. Airline/hotel pricing. It is the natural next step. This would end the practice of no expiration. I am not sure how Annual passes would work, unless there was tiered levels or credits.
It would help balance out crowds. It worked well for DVC. With point system.
I just looked up the flex pass for SeaWorld, universal, IoA, and water parks. That looks like a huge steal of a deal. 14 day passes! Call me clueless.
Disney shouldn't have encouraged me to do all this research!
And Disney recognized that.
Not just late sleepers-everyone who wants a particular time/attraction.
Your confusing "late sleepers" with "planners". Furthermore, your confusing work weeks with vacation. Many/most of us are up every day for work all year, and usually on a computer first thing. That's why we don't rush on vacation. Not only that-only 1 person in your group needs to get all the FP+'s. That's the equivalent to having one person leave the room with all the park passes and getting everyone a FP for TSM.
As for those that sleep to late-then they are in the same boat as currently anyway, plus its only one day-pick EE, or TOT and adjust your schedule, then get up tomorrow and get TSM.
Or have a AAA rep get what you want each day.
And this is what makes me wonder how TPB, plan to convince me that this will make my park experience "better." Only allowing one FP either for Splash or BTMR or SM, and then the other two limited to something we don't really care about isn't helpful, and actually takes away from how the current system has worked. I have visions of rope drop suddenly becoming a mob scene as people try to get their favs in without access to FP's.
The possibility of maybe adding other FP's once in the park (if that happens) doesn't help either when, as I mentioned, we are from out of country, so roaming data fees are prohibitive with our phones, while current park wifi is sketchy and the kiosks could be frustrating time wasters.
Regardless of why Disney has cooked up the FP+, they need to be able to sell it to their customers that it is a good thing for their experience. With the current vague info, it seems it may be that way for first timers, but not so much for the experienced WDW visitor. My secret wish, without better info, is that testing has shown the logistics and potential bugs are really big, messy nightmares and they can the whole idea.
That's the conundrum here.
The limited advance FP+ scenario doesn't seem particularly helpful or attractive. It might make things better for people like me (who don't plan and don't want to see standby times increase under this new system) but for most people, they'd want or need more to be really attracted by this system.
The scenario with more or unlimited FP+ doesn't seem workable to me.
And yes, Flexi Ticket is a heck of a steal. If we do go back, it's going to be the main reason why. I want to see the new stuff at SW and US, Disney is just going to be there.
I can't help but hope the reports that introducing FP+ at places like HM have slowed down standby lines considerably have made them reconsider this system.
Keeping my eyes peeled for news, but there is no schedule, no more news of testing, no more information released to the press... Gah! I need more information darn it!
You are painting a very good picture. There will be a lot of veterans who feel like you do. It really does help if you stay 7-10 days to get to everything. I enjoyed that last summer.
On the other hand, it is not uncommon for my teenage kids to arrive MK at 4:00 and still be able to grab a splash fastpass, BTMRR, and Peter Pan. Especially on late nights. First week of June. Or to get multiple splash passes.
So, all evening visitors will not thrilled if tiers are involved.
Thats brilliant! Egads
Somewhere in this thread, I had asked about people scheduling 60 days (or however long) out and then NOT using their time slot for whatever reason (they decided to go to a different park, didn't want to ride then, etc). I know that Disney put CC holds on some ADRs because of no shows. How do you think they could control for FP+ no shows? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose if people scheduled but then didn't show up? With the current system, I'm sure there's a certain percentage that don't use their FPs for whatever reason. Many times we just hand them to other families on our way out. That won't be possible with FP+. So would those slots just go unused??
I bet they overbook the FP+ like airlines based on no shows rates. They will have very good data.
If it helps, we could all make some up for you.....
I have been encouraged that the lack of more kiosks in the parks yet is due to technical glitches slowing down (changing?????) the entire project. But I've also been afraid it could just be that they are working on them behind the scenes and could potentially just show up overnight.
As for the tickets, back when this discussion started in earnest, someone threw that idea out there (maybe bcrook even then???? I've lost track.) But it would be somewhat like airline tickets with dynamic pricing. I could TOTALLY see them doing that. But it saddens me as well. My only recourse in all of this has been to stick with trying to find the slowest time of the year I can stand the weather and going then, hoping any FP adjustments would have less impact. But I do think Disney's discount offerings have already shifted many of the peak crowds into those slower weeks. Add dynamic ticket pricing and it would undoubtedly shift even more. It's just starting to feel like a losing battle.
Boy, if they introduce date specific pricing that would really throw us.
Buying a ticket at the gate, would we be asked what dates we were going to use it? We don't know... maybe if they did the different pricing in 2 week blocks or had the price of the first date you buy the ticket apply to the rest. That would help keep it from being too complicated and make it easier for people to buy at the gate.
Plus, if they made the price of your first day the ticket becomes valid apply to the rest of it, that would be more incentive to go earlier to save money on tickets and therefore go at less busy times of the year, filling the parks at those times. "Ooh, look! If we shifted our booking a few days earlier we could save money every day of our tickets!" whilst disney gets people in during weeks they have lower attendances.
I don't know how attractive that would be though. Some people are just locked into dates. Particularly families with children... Disney's mainstay demographic. How flexible would these families be anyway? They can't alter their timescale easily if they have school aged children... Would the expectation people would change bookings to less busy times to save on tickets be reasonable?
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