You can accomplish just as much...if not more with FastPass+!!!!!

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorize...led-ideal-morning-plan-day-2-friday-april-26/

"Overall, we were able to accomplish just as much as we would have under the old system, if not more with less walking and no need to backtrack."

Here is an excellent detailed write up by Josh with tons of pictures.....just do what he says and you'll be sure to have a good time at Disney. This here- is the truth----don't know of any folk crazy enough to question Josh!!!!!

Update from Josh on page four - http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=51306826#post51306826

"The plans are written for a family with cushioning on the expected arrival/departure times to take into account strollers, slower walkers, etc."

The video that Josh took is moving so slow that I had to fast forward through it. So basically- he's dumbed this down and made it so easy a caveman can do it.

Thanks Josh!!!!!

 

[MattRyan]

FP+ is turning out to be better and more convenient than legacy FP

 

[2Tiggies]

FP+ is turning out to be better and more convenient than legacy FP

I'll be sure to post our Independence Day experience. I see this working right now for some folk. I've also seen some far less than stellar experiences being posted. FP+ will be better for some than for others. A lot depends on how you used to use Legacy FP; or IF you used to use it. My final judgement is still reserved

 

[amg35]

I know some people will not like the 30 minute wait times for Pirates, etc in the afternoon, but for us personally, those wait times are fine, I was worried they would be worse!

Anyways, Jungle Cruise always has ridiculous wait times I think. In June 2011 it was already 60 minutes before 11 am!

 

[jade1]

Wasn't he just saying how bad FP+ was a week or 2 ago?

 

[mesaboy2]

All you need is no kids and possibly one of the greatest theme-park commando strategists of our time in your group, and you'll get done "just as much as before, if not more."

I'm sold. Anyone have the AP sign-up URL handy? Oh, and DVC?

Yep, I'm a tough crowd.

 

[Mad Hattered]

All you need is no kids and possibly one of the greatest theme-park strategists of our time in your group, and you'll get done "just as much as before, if not more."

I'm sold. Anyone have the AP sign-up URL handy? Oh, and DVC?

Josh does drink a lot so maybe he takes frequent bathroom breaks. I don't know him well enough to know the size of his bladder.

 

[JanaDee]

All you need is no kids and possibly one of the greatest theme-park Commando strategists of our time in your group, and you'll get done "just as much as before, if not more."

I'm sold. Anyone have the AP sign-up URL handy? Oh, and DVC?

Yep, I'm a tough crowd.

 

[SuperRob]

Wasn't he just saying how bad FP+ was a week or 2 ago?

This is why I'm frequently irritated with Josh. He was seeing increased Standby times and without actually experiencing things himself, assumed that this was a net-bad for guests. Yet when he actually experiences it for himself, turns out it works well. What really makes me laugh is that his site is all about skipping lines and doing things optimally! Waiting standby is for suckers.

He has a lot of knowledge, but he's just as prone to rejecting change out of hand as anyone. The minute they announced FastPass+, it was clear there were issues, but those issues could be worked around. With the change effective today, even those issues are minimal. Yes, standby times are higher for rides that didn't have Fastpass at all before. But that shouldn't matter to anyone that would frequently his site (or this one, for that matter), because we know better than to wait in those lines.

 

[NavyDad]

These threads are too funny!

A few weeks back Josh posted some data that showed some secondary rides had longer lines due to increased use of Fast Pass Plus - this was obviously proof positive that the entire system was an epic failure.

Now - as Disney makes adjustments to an inherently more efficient system making it work more positive reviews are coming in from Josh and other sources and they are downplayed by some and celebrated by others. People just want to feel vindicated in their point of view.

Standing in line is the least efficient way to queue. Fast Pass Legacy was more efficient than standing in line because it was partially virtual. Fast Pass Plus as it continues to evolve is more efficient and will continue to increase in efficiency as they find ways to get more people to queue virtually more often.

For people who were able to leverage inefficiencies in the old system to their advantage and would like to continue to do so FP+ will probably not work out as well for them.

For people who did not leverage as well or would like to tour in a different style Plus will be to their advantage.

The rest of the conversation is all posturing.....

 

[NavyDad]

Wasn't he just saying how bad FP+ was a week or 2 ago?

I don't believe he was saying that at all. He posted some preliminary data and offered some very preliminary observations and people jumped all over it to fit their agenda either way...

 

[amg35]

These threads are too funny!

A few weeks back Josh posted some data that showed some secondary rides had longer lines due to increased use of Fast Pass Plus - this was obviously proof positive that the entire system was an epic failure.

Now - as Disney makes adjustments to an inherently more efficient system making it work more positive reviews are coming in from Josh and other sources and they are downplayed by some and celebrated by others. People just want to feel vindicated in their point of view.

Standing in line is the least efficient way to queue. Fast Pass Legacy was more efficient than standing in line because it was partially virtual. Fast Pass Plus as it continues to evolve is more efficient and will continue to increase in efficiency as they find ways to get more people to queue virtually more often.

For people who were able to leverage inefficiencies in the old system to their advantage and would like to continue to do so FP+ will probably not work out as well for them.

For people who did not leverage as well or would like to tour in a different style Plus will be to their advantage.

The rest of the conversation is all posturing.....

In full disclosure, I did not know who "Josh" was until recently (well, I still don't, never met the guy ), I pretty much only visit this site and the food blogs (but now that I know there are others...heheheh) so my optimistic opinions are all formed on my own, as annoying as they are to some!

 

[SuperRob]

Now - as Disney makes adjustments to an inherently more efficient system making it work more positive reviews are coming in from Josh and other sources and they are downplayed by some and celebrated by others. People just want to feel vindicated in their point of view.

Oh, so you missed the punchline. Josh's test of the new system was YESTERDAY, before the new changes were put in place. So he can't even claim that it was the Four+ FastPasses that improved the experience.

 

[NavyDad]

This is why I'm frequently irritated with Josh. He was seeing increased Standby times and without actually experiencing things himself, assumed that this was a net-bad for guests. Yet when he actually experiences it for himself, turns out it works well. What really makes me laugh is that his site is all about skipping lines and doing things optimally! Waiting standby is for suckers. He has a lot of knowledge, but he's just as prone to rejecting change out of hand as anyone. The minute they announced FastPass+, it was clear there were issues, but those issues could be worked around. With the change effective today, even those issues are minimal. Yes, standby times are higher for rides that didn't have Fastpass at all before. But that shouldn't matter to anyone that would frequently his site (or this one, for that matter), because we know better than to wait in those lines.

Josh stated on his site that most secondary attractions had higher standby and also observed that many of the headliners actually had LOWER wait times. He made some preliminary observations but seemed to reserve judgement IMO....

 

[Love Tink]

This is why I'm frequently irritated with Josh. He was seeing increased Standby times and without actually experiencing things himself, assumed that this was a net-bad for guests..

This is why I am frequently irritated with posters on the Dis.

They read things that OTHER people write after having read Josh's site, and attribute the OTHER people's attitudes/conclusions to Josh.

Which is a net-bad for reading comprehension.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Josh posted this today...

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorized/looking-over-april-25-disney-world-waits-in-their-entirety/

 

[NavyDad]

This is why I am frequently irritated with posters on the Dis. They read things that OTHER people write after having read Josh's site, and attribute the OTHER people's attitudes/conclusions to Josh. Which is a net-bad for reading comprehension.

Ding ding ding

We have a winner !!!

 

[SuperRob]

This is why I am frequently irritated with posters on the Dis.

They read things that OTHER people write after having read Josh's site, and attribute the OTHER people's attitudes/conclusions to Josh.

Which is a net-bad for reading comprehension.

Cute. My opinion of Josh and his site is clearly my own, and I stated it as such.

 

[AndreaA]

All you need is no kids and possibly one of the greatest theme-park commando strategists of our time in your group, and you'll get done "just as much as before, if not more."

I'm sold. Anyone have the AP sign-up URL handy? Oh, and DVC?

Yep, I'm a tough crowd.

Yeah, this is, unfortunately, pretty much where I am. I totally respect Josh, and think his method will definitely work. Unfortunately it's not really anywhere close to MY method. There's no doubt that doing things like BTMRR and Splash at RD will remain walk-ons (for the most part), but none of his touring plans address those of us who want/need to go in, hit everything in Fantasyland as many times as possible and pretty much call it a day.

Our past two years' touring plan in Sept. and Oct. has been:

RopeDrop (or pre-open ADR) and then:

Pooh, Pan, Pooh, Carousel, Teacups, Speedway (possibly earlier in plan), Dumbo, Barnstormer, Train to FrontierLand, BTMRR, Splash, IASW, Pooh, Carousel, PeopleMover, Train all the way around the park, and out of the park by 1:30-2pm.

There were ALWAYS multiple snacks and shopping stops thrown in, as well as lots (and I mean LOTS) of picture taking. Also, some of those rides might have been swapped for say Little Mermaid or Country Bears. The point is, we rode a LOT in a small amount of time with minimal waits, mainly thanks to the early morning slow time.

Now obviously we don't know what September/October will look like compared to spring break, but already it seems as if the early morning advantage has been cut down from perhaps three hours before standby would creep upwards, down to an hour, TOPS!

 

[amg35]

Josh posted this today...

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorized/looking-over-april-25-disney-world-waits-in-their-entirety/

Discussing wait times:

The Epcot secondary rides (Spaceship Earth, etc) don't look that bad for us personally, but Animal Kingdom doesn't look all that great in the afternoon...not sure what our plan of attack will be there, I guess rope drop, then our fast pass, and then take our chances for additional fast passes.

I will be curious to see a chart like this again for the summer, I'm thinking early June may be close to crowd levels that I will see in October.