Yikes! I got yelled at 3 times in the crowds last week!

[crisi]

Sometimes it is an accident. When the same person hits you several times in a few minutes, it is at least carelessness, if not some passive agressive means to move faster. I've been on both sides as well, and I can say that the moment I ankle bite anyone except my husband with the stroller, and make darn sure it doesn't happen to the same person again (usually by giving them wide berth and letting them go a different direction). (He, on the other hand, I can't avoid, and he is often walking RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME). Its like cutting someone off accidently in traffic -- I'm so ashamed I just don't want them to see me again - much less risk hitting them again. So I don't blame ducklite. Once you can ignore. The second time deserves at least a glare. And having been to first aid to patch up four inches of bleeding ankle scrape, it isn't like bumping is "harmless."

I'd really encourage all us "conciencious" Disers to avoid strollers - particularly in the MK and particularly in Fantasyland - for older kids. There are too many stollers/wheelchairs/ etc. in that part of the park for comfortable travel (for both the stollerless as well as the people pushing strollers) - and there are plenty of little kids and special needs people who need wheeled transportation. Leave the stroller parked over in Tomorrowland - your six year old can walk Fantasyland.

 

[TinkBoo&ElliesMum]

I'd really encourage all us "conciencious" Disers to avoid strollers - particularly in the MK and particularly in Fantasyland - for older kids. There are too many stollers/wheelchairs/ etc. in that part of the park for comfortable travel (for both the stollerless as well as the people pushing strollers) - and there are plenty of little kids and special needs people who need wheeled transportation. Leave the stroller parked over in Tomorrowland - your six year old can walk Fantasyland.

You're kidding right? Until they start doing a stroller check where you get a ticket for your stroller I won't be leaving it in another land and coming back for it. My three year old can walk, but we're keeping the strollers with us thanks.

 

[ducklite]

I've seen plenty of stroller pushers/wheelchair users who are rude, but that is the minority out there. So, sorry, but you were being inconsiderate, although that post wasn't directed strictly at you (that's why there was no quote). Two wrongs just don't make a right. If I get bad service at a restruant, I don't stand up and berate the server. If I get cut-off on the freeway, I don't jump into road rage mode. If someone's dog poops in my front yard, I don't chase them down and throw it at them. I guess I'm just not the stalker type. Or maybe it is because I believe children learn way more from what they see than what you tell them. I want my children to grow up to be polite, tolerant, well-mannered people and handle every situation in the best way possible and not just by uncontrollable rage.

I yelled a this woman to "BACK OFF" after she hit me twice, yet I'm rude and have uncontrollable rage? Right. When someone assaults me for the second time in two minutes or less whether out of carelessness or on purpose, and doesn't even apologize I'm NOT going to smile and say "it's OK that you slammed me with your stroller". Referring someone who has told someone to stay away from them as a "stalker" is rather ironic, don't you think?

Anne

 

[ducklite]

Sheesh - hope I'm never in your way!

Do you really think she was purposefully trying to ram you? Not that what she did was necessarily right... but I don't think yelling at someone is right either. Simply stepping out of her way, or asking, "Do you mind watching my feet?" probably would have been just as effective, if not more so./QUOTE]

You are all missing the point. She didn't even apologize. If she had apologized after the first time she hit me, I wouldn't have given her a nasty look. If she had apologized after the second time, I would have nicely suggested that she leave more space. But she couldn't be bothered, she was following too close and she hit me twice in a very short time because she was not paying attention and was completely self-absorbed, and I don't think she even realize she had hit me until I yelled at her. It was a wake up call. "Back Off" is certainly not vulgar or nasty, it was to get her attention before she really hurt me.

Anne

 

[grlpwrd]

You are correct. Unless, the person did an unsafe lane change/cut you off in traffic, ran a stop sign/stoplight, had rear lights off/not working, or slammed on their brakes without a reason. The same reason *most* stroller pushers hit other walkers. And then, do you get out of your car and start screaming at the other driver like some kind of mad dog or do you just calmly check to make sure everyone is OK, exchange insuriance info, and get on with life?

I believe most stroller pushers do the best they can, despite what some people may think. Accidents happen. And when someone is sorry and apologizes, does screaming help? When does being rude to anyone ever help in any situation?

Yet drivers also have to proceed with caution and not tailgate.

What happened to ducklite sure sounds like a tailgating/ramming/not-being-careful situation to me.

BTW I was rammed by an older woman riding an electric scooter at Busch Gardens last year here in Williamsburg. She hit me with such force and continued to go forward which thrashed my son into a huge flower pot as he was sitting in his stroller. My finger got crushed in protecting him and he was about a year old.

I cursed very loudly at her out of a pure gut reaction... I was mad and scared. Besides, how polite and mild mannered can one be while pulling at a scooter going forward full force so it wouldn't cause major damage to my son? Like ducklite - I guess you just have to be there and know what we are talking about. Has anyone else here been rammed and/or subsequently hurt by a stroller?

You do what you have to do to protect yourself... Strollers, wheelchairs, and electric scooters can be weapons.

 

[weregoingtodw]

You are all missing the point. She didn't even apologize. If she had apologized after the first time she hit me, I wouldn't have given her a nasty look.

Actually, I think *you* are still missing the point, at least the point that I made. My point is that two wrongs don't make a right. Certainly, you'd think someone would have the presence of mind to be more careful after accidentally bumping someone else. Obviously this individual, for whatever reason, didn't avoid that the second time either.

However, since:

The first time I gave her a dirty look. The second time I yelled at her to BACK OFF!

Are you really surprised that people are calling you out for your behavior? I'm sure I'd have been pretty irritated if someone hit my legs as well; I just don't agree that a dirty look - especially for a first offense! - and most definitely, a personal confrontation, was necessarily the best reaction.

It was a wake up call. "Back Off" is certainly not vulgar or nasty, it was to get her attention before she really hurt me.

Okay... you're right, but since you already admitted to giving her a dirty look, I'm assuming that you didn't have a courteous, "Could you please give me a little more space?" tone in your voice.

If she had apologized after the second time, I would have nicely suggested that she leave more space.

In all fairness, what makes you think that she'd be inclined to "nicely apologize to you" after the second hit, especially after you gave her a dirty look peviously?

Still just my opinion, but I think I'd tend to get out of the way of the aggressive stroller drivers - as well as the "back off" yellers and dirty look throwers - rather than engage in a personal confrontation.

To each their own!

 

[ducklite]

Stroller pushers who don't apologize after hitting someone should be glad that they don't get a lot worse than being told to back off. Where I live assault is punishable with legal action. And with no apology, it sure didn't seem to be an accident. Someone who seems to be purposely assaulting you doesn't deserve a meek little response. I'm not going to passively allow someone to injure me. I wasn't AGRESSIVE, I was ASSERTIVE. There is a BIG difference.

Anne

 

[Nicks2Angels]

"Stroller pushers who don't apologize after hitting someone should be glad that they don't get a lot worse than being told to back off. Where I live assault is punishable with legal action. And with no apology, it sure didn't seem to be an accident. Someone who seems to be purposely assaulting you doesn't deserve a meek little response."

Yikes. Are you kidding me? If she didn't know she hit you with her stroller she deserved more than a verbal lashing? Like what? Smacked? Sued? Worse?

Holy crap-I better be EXTRA careful with my double stroller.

I sure wouldn't call a bump with a stroller assault either. I mean gees, what an over the top attitude-IMHO. Everyone needs to give each other a little more slack. As if the person was a crazy serial stroller rammer? Really-if that is the worst thing that happens in your life-I think you should be grateful.

 

[crzy4dsny]

Where I live assault is punishable with legal action. And with no apology, it sure didn't seem to be an accident. Someone who seems to be purposely assaulting you doesn't deserve a meek little response.
Anne

How could you possibly call what happened assault? I don't know where you live but that is not assault. I'm sure the local police would get a kick out of that one.

Oh wait, I forgot, your on the Disney police force. You should have arrested her on the spot and headed over to the poly beach. There may be some unregistered guests there who just finished dinner at O'Hana and are "illegally" watching the fireworks.

 

[manhattan]

crzy4dsny you are too funny.....let's see what her response will be....

 

[BoPeep]

If someone is constantly running into others with their stroller, I would definitely call that assault, either that or they are just mentally incapable of manuevering it through the parks so therefore should not be allowed to do so.
I think it's pathetic that some people use a stroller as a way to push through the crowds, not caring how many kids, or adults for that matter, that they injure.
Notice that I said "constantly running into others". Accidents do happen, but if someone is doing it repeatedly and purposely to keep someone from getting in front of them or to get through the crowds quicker, then that's just pathetic, careless, and stupid.

 

[weregoingtodw]

If someone is constantly running into others with their stroller, I would definitely call that assault, either that or they are just mentally incapable of manuevering it through the parks so therefore should not be allowed to do so.

I'm sure you didn't think twice about this, but really, questioning someone's mental capacity in reference to their lack of ability to successfully maneuver a stroller through a crowd? That's really unkind, not to mention an insult to the many DISers who have mentally challenged members in their families. Perhaps their physical capabilities would come into question, but what to their mental faculties, or the lack thereof, have to do with it?

 

[crisi]

You're kidding right? Until they start doing a stroller check where you get a ticket for your stroller I won't be leaving it in another land and coming back for it. My three year old can walk, but we're keeping the strollers with us thanks.

Yes, I'm perfectly serious. Its what we have done. We find it much easier and faster to move through Fantasyland sans stroller and pick it up later - we then cut through the castle to get to Liberty Square. I find it almost impossible to move in Fantasyland with a stroller. Fewer strollers would make it easier for everyone to move around.

Though I think three is young to be strollerless for the entire length of Fantasyland. When I said "older" kids I was thinking more of those six year olds in strollers. At three we would park the stroller by the Grotto for the morning (where it was central, but there was lots of room), get in all those central attractions, then take it over for Pooh and Buzz before coming back around through Adventureland

 

[ducklite]

"Stroller pushers who don't apologize after hitting someone should be glad that they don't get a lot worse than being told to back off. Where I live assault is punishable with legal action. And with no apology, it sure didn't seem to be an accident. Someone who seems to be purposely assaulting you doesn't deserve a meek little response."

Yikes. Are you kidding me? If she didn't know she hit you with her stroller she deserved more than a verbal lashing? Like what? Smacked? Sued? Worse?

Holy crap-I better be EXTRA careful with my double stroller.

I sure wouldn't call a bump with a stroller assault either. I mean gees, what an over the top attitude-IMHO. Everyone needs to give each other a little more slack. As if the person was a crazy serial stroller rammer? Really-if that is the worst thing that happens in your life-I think you should be grateful.

So you think it's OK to run into someone with your stroller repeatedly and not even apologize? Actually, it is assault. ANY contact which puts a person in fear of injury is. And I was fearful that if she kept hitting me that indeed I would be injured.

I'm not saying I'd charge her with assault, although it does fall under the legal defintion. What I did say is that my taking initiative to tell someone to stop hitting me after they did it twice is not unwarranted. She obviously didn't take the hint when I looked at her the first time. I wasn't going to take the chance by tiptoeing around the situation the second time. I didn't "get in her face", I snapped my head around and said "back off!". Considering her total disregard for the safety of others around her, that response was totally warranted.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

How could you possibly call what happened assault? I don't know where you live but that is not assault. I'm sure the local police would get a kick out of that one.

Oh wait, I forgot, your on the Disney police force. You should have arrested her on the spot and headed over to the poly beach. There may be some unregistered guests there who just finished dinner at O'Hana and are "illegally" watching the fireworks.

An assault is:
(a) An unlawful attempt, coupled with apparent ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another; or
(b) An intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence
is imminent.

Because she didn't apologize after the first hit, the second seemed quite intentional. Therefore assault is quite applicable.

I stand by the fact that there are written posted policies, and anyone who ignores them either doesn't have the mental capacity to understand them, or is simply inconsiderant at best and ignorant at worst.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

I'm sure you didn't think twice about this, but really, questioning someone's mental capacity in reference to their lack of ability to successfully maneuver a stroller through a crowd? That's really unkind, not to mention an insult to the many DISers who have mentally challenged members in their families. Perhaps their physical capabilities would come into question, but what to their mental faculties, or the lack thereof, have to do with it?

As the mother of a disabled young adult, I'm not offended by the post you were responding to. A person who doesn't have the ability to successful manuever a stroller without taking proper care to not hit someone in front of them repeatedly shouldn't be doing so, regardless of their mental or physical capacities.

Anne

 

[weregoingtodw]

As the mother of a disabled young adult, I'm not offended by the post you were responding to. A person who doesn't have the ability to successful manuever a stroller without taking proper care to not hit someone in front of them repeatedly shouldn't be doing so, regardless of their mental or physical capacities.

Anne

Hmm... somehow, I have a feeling you'd have been much more offended if she was on the other side of your debate! Again, you missed my point, which is that the implication that any person who might hit another with a stroller is "mentally incapable" is quite offensive.

You've proven your point; you either believe you're right, or are too embarrassed to admit otherwise. I've been through some pretty crappy things in my life - through no fault of my own, I might add. I'd be a very unhappy person if I went through my life with an attitude such as yours, but as I said before... to each their own!

Just a parting thought - do you really think your yelling at her did any good? Did it make YOU feel any better?

 

[ducklite]

Just a parting thought - do you really think your yelling at her did any good? Did it make YOU feel any better?

It made me feel like she had 1. been woken up to the fact that she needed to be more careful if she wasn't doing it on purpose, and 2. Been warned that if she was doing it on purpose, she wasn't going to keep getting away with it.

As far as the other part of your post, "Again, you missed my point, which is that the implication that any person who might hit another with a stroller is "mentally incapable" is quite offensive." I read this differently then you did.

I read it as if a person is mentally incapable, they shouldn't be pushing a stroller, not that anyone pushing a stroller who hits someone is mentally incapable. I think the posters word "CONSTANTLY" needs to ba added or you're taking her words out of context.

Anne

 

[crzy4dsny]

An assault is:
(a) An unlawful attempt, coupled with apparent ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another; or
(b) An intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence
is imminent.



Anne

Officer Lite, The definition of assault varies from state to state, so what may or may not be assault here in New York, may be an assault somewhere else. What happened to you still is not described in the definition you have provided. A red mark, small bruise, or even a small scrape you may receive from a stroller "bumping" into you does not equal a "violent Injury".

 

[weregoingtodw]

As far as the other part of your post, "Again, you missed my point, which is that the implication that any person who might hit another with a stroller is "mentally incapable" is quite offensive." I read this differently then you did.

I read it as if a person is mentally incapable, they shouldn't be pushing a stroller, not that anyone pushing a stroller who hits someone is mentally incapable. I think the posters word "CONSTANTLY" needs to ba added or you're taking her words out of context.

You are absolutely correct, that is what she said... but we are discussing someone who hit you TWICE, not someone who repeatedly -or constantly - rammed you, or anyone else. If someone repeatedly hit me with a stroller or anything else, I'd certainly be concerned. Personally, I'd consult with a Cast Member rather than taking the matter into my own hands, but that's my choice, just as yelling at the other person was your choice. Is yelling a choice that I'd make? Of course not... and fear for my own personal safety would certainly factor into that decision, as well as setting a good example for my child. I was trying to explain why, you disagree with me, and that's fine - that's what makes people different, is it not?

By the way, I couldn't resist peeking at the photos of your home... it's absolutely gorgeous!