Yet another teacher rant

C.Ann said:
:confused3
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Gosh! Isn't your response a little over the top?? I'm not saying that your experiences aren't true (there are always going to be good teachers, not so good teachers, and flat out bad teachers) but why attack someone so viciously simply because they don't think ALL teachers are bad? :confused3

Heck with that Mari annie, where did Marseeya try to one-up you. I'm sure there are plenty of people on these boards who have as much as you do or more than you do. Obviously, they are not so insecure that they want other people to be jealous of them.

BTW, if your son is so behind in school - why are you taking him out for two weeks to go on vacation?
 
Mari annie said:
Listen when my son was 5 and wasn't reading we went to the school they said okay, dont' worry, he started reading by 6 with lots of money we paid to SYLVAN (7,000) hiring an education attorney to get the JERKS in gear for an IEP and me staying home FULL TIME to make sure his IEP was always kept, sending notes/emails and calling, schools are a political corporation, and the majority of teachers are BURNT out and stay because they have a pension coming to them*, and are too lazy to find other work or be retrained.
I seen enough of the slugs the last 11 years of helping my son, with alot of OUTSIDE HELP thousands of dollars with education attorneys/speech/reading programs, ETC ETC my son is now a Junior, a promising young man who is interning in his field, communications. And alot to do with his parents helping him. The school doesn't have the funds, the time, they all want the kids to be at the same speed, and kids arent'. Most teachers have animals, jobs, etc etc they need to run out by the last bell ringing.
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2


:eek: :confused: Bitter and nasty much? What does being 41 and looking 30 or going to Disney 2x's a year or buying a home in Celebration have to do with anything. Do you want a medal?
 
Mari annie said:
Listen when my son was 5 and wasn't reading we went to the school they said okay, dont' worry, he started reading by 6 with lots of money we paid to SYLVAN (7,000) hiring an education attorney to get the JERKS in gear for an IEP and me staying home FULL TIME to make sure his IEP was always kept, sending notes/emails and calling, schools are a political corporation, and the majority of teachers are BURNT out and stay because they have a pension coming to them*, and are too lazy to find other work or be retrained.
I seen enough of the slugs the last 11 years of helping my son, with alot of OUTSIDE HELP thousands of dollars with education attorneys/speech/reading programs, ETC ETC my son is now a Junior, a promising young man who is interning in his field, communications. And alot to do with his parents helping him. The school doesn't have the funds, the time, they all want the kids to be at the same speed, and kids arent'. Most teachers have animals, jobs, etc etc they need to run out by the last bell ringing.
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2

Well, that is uncalled for and hateful. BTW, with your two degrees and certifications, you also misspelled honey as "hunny", just an fyi...
 
Mari annie said:
Listen when my son was 5 and wasn't reading we went to the school they said okay, dont' worry, he started reading by 6 with lots of money we paid to SYLVAN (7,000) hiring an education attorney to get the JERKS in gear for an IEP and me staying home FULL TIME to make sure his IEP was always kept, sending notes/emails and calling, schools are a political corporation, and the majority of teachers are BURNT out and stay because they have a pension coming to them*, and are too lazy to find other work or be retrained.
I seen enough of the slugs the last 11 years of helping my son, with alot of OUTSIDE HELP thousands of dollars with education attorneys/speech/reading programs, ETC ETC my son is now a Junior, a promising young man who is interning in his field, communications. And alot to do with his parents helping him. The school doesn't have the funds, the time, they all want the kids to be at the same speed, and kids arent'. Most teachers have animals, jobs, etc etc they need to run out by the last bell ringing.
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2

Wow, just wow..... :rolleyes: May I ask WTH was the cause of this rant?! :confused3
 

lilostitch said:
Well, that is uncalled for and hateful. BTW, with your two degrees and certifications, you also misspelled honey as "hunny", just an fyi...

Heck with spelling, it's just plain incoherent!
 
Mari annie said:
Listen when my son was 5 and wasn't reading we went to the school they said okay, dont' worry, he started reading by 6 with lots of money we paid to SYLVAN (7,000) hiring an education attorney to get the JERKS in gear for an IEP and me staying home FULL TIME to make sure his IEP was always kept, sending notes/emails and calling, schools are a political corporation, and the majority of teachers are BURNT out and stay because they have a pension coming to them*, and are too lazy to find other work or be retrained.
I seen enough of the slugs the last 11 years of helping my son, with alot of OUTSIDE HELP thousands of dollars with education attorneys/speech/reading programs, ETC ETC my son is now a Junior, a promising young man who is interning in his field, communications. And alot to do with his parents helping him. The school doesn't have the funds, the time, they all want the kids to be at the same speed, and kids arent'. Most teachers have animals, jobs, etc etc they need to run out by the last bell ringing.
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2

Well, in my school there are very few teachers anywhere close to getting their pensions..........which, by the way, we buy into. There's a couple of teachers who really aren't suited for our population........might do okay with just middle of the road kids. We have TONS of kids with IEPs and know how to handle them. I have 4 in my room, and follow them religiously, as most teachers in my school do.
None of our teachers leave when the end of the day bell rings. Firstly, we can't.........we're required to stay an extra 30 minutes. Secondly, many of us work in after school programs tutoring and enriching the kids who aren't at the same speed. Thirdly, many of us stay even after that, preparing lessons, materials, supporting literature, practice exercises, enrichment materials, review materials, school supplies that are running low, cleaning up the residue of that day's activities, responding to notes and emails from parents, and responding to kids' notes to us.
I keep saying most teachers in my school, because I don't know about most teachers in the district, state or US.........just like you have only encountered SOME of the teachers in the schools your son attended. I really don't think you can make judgements about MOST teachers without having personally traveled the US observing and tracking teachers in all schools and districts.
No, I don't have a home in Celebration because I live in Texas. I don't go to Disney twice a year because I choose to take a teacher's salary to do what I feel makes a difference and will leave the world just a little bit better. I have not stayed home with my kids, and they are also very bright and happy.......my youngest too young for any awards yet, but plenty for my 10 year old so far. And no, I'm not green at all.
So, while I wouldn't ever want to tell you that you didn't experience what you experienced, that simply doesn't mean most teachers are like the few you've encountered.
 
Mari annie said:
Listen when my son was 5 and wasn't reading we went to the school they said okay, dont' worry, he started reading by 6 with lots of money we paid to SYLVAN (7,000) hiring an education attorney to get the JERKS in gear for an IEP and me staying home FULL TIME to make sure his IEP was always kept, sending notes/emails and calling, schools are a political corporation, and the majority of teachers are BURNT out and stay because they have a pension coming to them*, and are too lazy to find other work or be retrained.
I seen enough of the slugs the last 11 years of helping my son, with alot of OUTSIDE HELP thousands of dollars with education attorneys/speech/reading programs, ETC ETC my son is now a Junior, a promising young man who is interning in his field, communications. And alot to do with his parents helping him. The school doesn't have the funds, the time, they all want the kids to be at the same speed, and kids arent'. Most teachers have animals, jobs, etc etc they need to run out by the last bell ringing.
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2


Wow...wth....
 
People wonder why our education system is lagging. Perhaps a large part of the problem is this too frequent battle between parents and teachers. It is pointless and destructive. I would hope that both sides would have the same common goal which is to educate the children.
The sad reality is that too many of our classrooms are overcrowded. The teacher mentioned by the OP would have been more sensitive to the child if he or she had spoken to the child privately. The problem is that when you have thirty or more students in your classroom, it is difficult to have enough "face time" with any of them.
Furthermore, I truly believe that it is difficult to judge a conversation that is merely a snippet that is not in any particular context. Forget the accuracy of a child reporting an incident, I am always embarrassed when I believe that I am accurately telling a story and my husband points out that I am not being entirely factual. In fact, he often says that because I am an English teacher I engage in hyperbole for dramatic purposes. :blush: I am not saying that the OP's child is a liar, I am just saying that perception clouds our judgment and unless you are there when the comment was made it is difficult to accurately judge it out of context. I would say the same thing if my own daughter told me that a teacher made the comment to her.
I think that many people think that teaching is easy and there is not enough value placed on education or educators. I know that there are some teachers who are not great at their jobs. It is the Bell Curve of life and it applies to all professions. Trust me, it is something I am aware of every time I get on a plane and ponder where on the Bell Curve my pilot would be placed.
It is harmful to all of our children to have an adversarial relationship between parents and teachers. I also know that many children use that knowledge to their advantage. Surely if the parents and teachers were a united team, the students would benefit.
 
At our school, we call this a triangle. The teacher, child and parents make up the triangle. Each must do their part so that things go accordingly. Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way in all cases.

I think it helps if a teacher is a parent as well. Sometimes a parent will drive me crazy, and it is so tempting to let that reflect on how you treat the child. I always try to get past that and treat all the children like I would want my child to be treated. Maybe all teachers don't do this.

Being a teacher also makes me a better parent, when interacting with my child's teacher. My son has told me things before that at first made me angry at the teacher. An example, my son has a writing disability, and one of his required accomodations is that he be allowed to use the computer to complete his assignments. Well, one day, my son came home and told me the teachers refused to let him use the computer in the classroom. I was angry, but calmly asked the teacher what was going on. She explained that my son was on the computer and was printing out invitations to a Beyblade contest! That is why he was not allowed to use the computer anymore that day. Now, thank God I didn't fly off the handle and start screaming! Sometimes children(and adults)tell only one side of the story. Its not really lying, its perception.

Marsha
 
torinsmom said:
At our school, we call this a triangle. The teacher, child and parents make up the triangle. Each must do their part so that things go accordingly. Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way in all cases.

I think it helps if a teacher is a parent as well. Sometimes a parent will drive me crazy, and it is so tempting to let that reflect on how you treat the child. I always try to get past that and treat all the children like I would want my child to be treated. Maybe all teachers don't do this.

Being a teacher also makes me a better parent, when interacting with my child's teacher. My son has told me things before that at first made me angry at the teacher. An example, my son has a writing disability, and one of his required accomodations is that he be allowed to use the computer to complete his assignments. Well, one day, my son came home and told me the teachers refused to let him use the computer in the classroom. I was angry, but calmly asked the teacher what was going on. She explained that my son was on the computer and was printing out invitations to a Beyblade contest! That is why he was not allowed to use the computer anymore that day. Now, thank God I didn't fly off the handle and start screaming! Sometimes children(and adults)tell only one side of the story. Its not really lying, its perception.

Marsha


Good post, I agree. :thumbsup2
 
Mari annie said:
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2

Wow... I've been away from the boards since I came back from WDW in Dec (I've had Disney-Depression - unable to read/think about it without getting all upset because I probably won't be going back for a few years - when I get married), and this is practically the first thing I see.

It's so interesting that the middle-aged people who think they're so gorgeous are usually all.. well... dried-fruit type looking.

I also agree with the poster who pointed out how, if this person's child is struggling so much, why are they taking 4wks vacation a year in WDW..

Either way, all that comes to mind is: bitter, twisted, nasty person with incredibly low self-esteem that needs to boast about meaningless, material things to make themselves feel better.


But to everyone else.. :wave2:
 
Mari annie said:
Listen when my son was 5 and wasn't reading we went to the school they said okay, dont' worry, he started reading by 6 with lots of money we paid to SYLVAN (7,000) hiring an education attorney to get the JERKS in gear for an IEP and me staying home FULL TIME to make sure his IEP was always kept, sending notes/emails and calling, schools are a political corporation, and the majority of teachers are BURNT out and stay because they have a pension coming to them*, and are too lazy to find other work or be retrained.
I seen enough of the slugs the last 11 years of helping my son, with alot of OUTSIDE HELP thousands of dollars with education attorneys/speech/reading programs, ETC ETC my son is now a Junior, a promising young man who is interning in his field, communications. And alot to do with his parents helping him. The school doesn't have the funds, the time, they all want the kids to be at the same speed, and kids arent'. Most teachers have animals, jobs, etc etc they need to run out by the last bell ringing.
Just becuase you Teach it doesn't mean you are an educator, hunny! Swallow that one!
By the way I have been home for lives of my two kids who are 17 and 12
both on the national honor society wonderful intelligent kids, I have 2 degrees and certifications and always put my kids and family first.
So, don't tell me to look at myself, I am 41 and look 30 and my kids are beautiful and intelligent I have been married 23 years to a gorgeous intelligent sucessful man.
AND YOU???!
You look in the mirror!!!!! OH by the way we just purchased a home in Celebration AND we go to Disney 2 times a year for 2 weeks, and YOU????
Not bad for someone who stays home and takes care of their family,
HUGH?!!!!!
Make you green? SHOULD!!! :thumbsup2

Wow! I am assuming your children take after their dad.

pirate: :teacher: princess: pirate: :cheer2:
 
torinsmom said:
At our school, we call this a triangle. The teacher, child and parents make up the triangle. Each must do their part so that things go accordingly. Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way in all cases.

I think it helps if a teacher is a parent as well. Sometimes a parent will drive me crazy, and it is so tempting to let that reflect on how you treat the child. I always try to get past that and treat all the children like I would want my child to be treated. Maybe all teachers don't do this.

Being a teacher also makes me a better parent, when interacting with my child's teacher. My son has told me things before that at first made me angry at the teacher. An example, my son has a writing disability, and one of his required accomodations is that he be allowed to use the computer to complete his assignments. Well, one day, my son came home and told me the teachers refused to let him use the computer in the classroom. I was angry, but calmly asked the teacher what was going on. She explained that my son was on the computer and was printing out invitations to a Beyblade contest! That is why he was not allowed to use the computer anymore that day. Now, thank God I didn't fly off the handle and start screaming! Sometimes children(and adults)tell only one side of the story. Its not really lying, its perception.

Marsha[/

I agree, a very good post. Being a parent has made me a better teacher, and being a teacher has made me a better parent.

pirate: :teacher: princess: pirate: :cheer2:
 
Mari annie said:
:confused3
My son a Junior in HS was sick with Pheomonia (bad speller) from Oct 6-Mid November then he got viral flu for 3 weeks, we went back and fourth to children's hosp in Boston for IV's/Tests/Labs/ect, in the meantime I am going to school, emailing teachers, getting his work, which he really cannot do-=
and the teachers (7) like 2 teachers would respond. I finally contacted the principal. It's the school's policy every day out 3 days for makeup.
So then developed a bowel issue, so he went back to School after the Christmas Break. He lost his pt job (although the hosp/pedi faxed in dr's notes) first they said he was fine* he does seasonal work in the wintertime.
He was crushed! He was sick of being sick, but anyone he's been staying after school since returning from Christmas break, I had to repeativley call he High School principals office, even the Guidance Dept, let's just say what are they really there for anyway? An extra cost, and us parents can help our own kids with the college of their choice!!!!
Anyway he did everything for 1st quarter he is still waiting on 2nd quarter's things...........they are trying to decide what he'll be responible for???
time's a slipping, so for now out of 7 subjects he has grades for 3 classes and by Monday it should be 4, lots of stress on me, with a dad who has been ill for nearly 1 1/2 years back and fourth to dr's and this, we are leaving in 9 days for WDW/FL for 2 weeks, so my son will be missing 3 days.
We go evey FEb & April. I told them months ago of this. He's already got a college outside WDW he's going to and the college has been notified of his illness=he keeps in touch with the Colleges' guidance office, he already has a guidance councelor assigned to him. He was told all year by a couple teachers, you might as well forget it, you've missed to much you'll probably have to repeat Junior Year. I am home FT for my kids and glad I am.
Both our kids are very bright and wonderful.
He already has a resume that better than most adults choosing to go into his field. He's been volunteering in the venue's he wants to pursue for nearly all his HS years and we keep tellling him, let no one in your way, and all your dreams will come true. I let a teacher of his know to her face all this and said you are supposed to be an educator not a person who tries to tell something they'll not suceed. The school office was notified of this, she said some very uneducated things to him (I told him she's older, not married, has a couple cats, poor thing, the only thing she has control in is her big chair in the classroom) I told her about the same! I had that class changed before Christmas break and my son is now doing A work in the class and isn't going to be a science major!!!
Goes to show you that adults*/educators, if you are burnt out, PLEASE find another job, you aren't a cashier, you are helping out the next generation!!!!
When it comes to education, education in our home is a number one priority but when there is sickness of a child and they have the support from their family, kids can do and achieve all things.

I thank GOD every day my wonderful intelligent happy son is in school and doing well now. He did loose close to 15 pounds and has just about gained it back.
Children are our most valuable gems. :grouphug:

Wow!! I certainly wouldn't be bragging about my education if I wrote like that! This is one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen in my life! Let's all be glad she is not teaching. :)

I am a teacher (5 years) and a mother. (DS 20, DD15) I learned a long time ago to get both sides of the story before I react. Yes, we have had a few issues with teachers over the years but they have been the exception, not the rule. However, unless there was some extenuating circumstance, we supported the teacher. It is not that way any more. Parents make excuses for their children rather than take responsibility. They want to be a friend, not a parent. It isn't easy being a parent. Nobody ever said it was. There are times when you have to make some very unpopular decisions. Please just remember your children are watching you and learning how to deal with the world from your example.
 
Good Gracious..... Can't this thread just die already!

dkrause,
What a completely negative and insulting post. I am sorry, but "worst pieces of writing I have ever seen in my life".... Ummm, yeah right. It is always lame when somebody cannot form a coherant disagreement in a debate, so they resort to attacking things like spelling, grammer, and semantics.

Nowhere did the OP brag about their own education. (she did mention it, once, in the follow-up post. One small mention out of two lengthy posts.) She has clearly experienced many valid issues with her sons educators.

You say to get both sides of the issue, yet, obviously, as a teacher, it looks like you didn't even bother to take the time to read the post correctly before you issued a huge insulting 'Parent Bash' in response??? :sad2:

There is a HUGE difference between a parent in mama-lioness mode and a professional teacher. What might be expected or tolerated from the former is completely unacceptable from the latter. Ohhhh, well, maybe not. :rolleyes:
 
Mari annie said:
:confused3
time's a slipping, so for now out of 7 subjects he has grades for 3 classes and by Monday it should be 4, lots of stress on me, with a dad who has been ill for nearly 1 1/2 years back and fourth to dr's and this, we are leaving in 9 days for WDW/FL for 2 weeks, so my son will be missing 3 days.
We go evey FEb & April. I told them months ago of this. He's already got a college outside WDW he's going to and the college has been notified of his illness=he keeps in touch with the Colleges' guidance office, he already has a guidance councelor assigned to him. He was told all year by a couple teachers, you might as well forget it, you've missed to much you'll probably have to repeat Junior Year. I am home FT for my kids and glad I am.
Both our kids are very bright and wonderful.
g:

Wow! He's already been accepted into a college as a Junior. I didn't think schools did that.

Regardless of the fact that your child is bright and wonderful, if he missed too many days of school, he could be held back. Laws and all that. My son was sick nine days one year and received a 'you're in the trouble zone' letter. I'm really surprised that you are still planning on taking vacation after he has missed so much work already, especially since education is so important to you. As you probably know,doing make up work is not as nearly effective as being in class every day.
 
Most laws would definately make a school able to retain a child for too many 'unexcused' absenses. I would see NO reason to make a child repeat an entire year due to 'excused' medical absences, as long as they were able to make up the work and to earn passing grades.
 
Wishing on a star said:
Good Gracious..... Can't this thread just die already!

dkrause,
What a completely negative and insulting post. I am sorry, but "worst pieces of writing I have ever seen in my life".... Ummm, yeah right. It is always lame when somebody cannot form a coherant disagreement in a debate, so they resort to attacking things like spelling, grammer, and semantics.

Nowhere did the OP brag about their own education. (she did mention it, once, in the follow-up post. One small mention out of two lengthy posts.) She has clearly experienced many valid issues with her sons educators.

You say to get both sides of the issue, yet, obviously, as a teacher, it looks like you didn't even bother to take the time to read the post correctly before you issued a huge insulting 'Parent Bash' in response??? :sad2:

There is a HUGE difference between a parent in mama-lioness mode and a professional teacher. What might be expected or tolerated from the former is completely unacceptable from the latter. Ohhhh, well, maybe not. :rolleyes:

Did you read the post she was quoting? She is not saying a word to the OP she is directing her comments to the poster she has quoted in her post. So, it appears to me that you didn't take the time to read the post, not dkrause.

If you are going to bash someone, please make sure you have your facts straight. If you don't, it is mud in your face, not the person you are bashing.
 
Excuse me, I thought it was self-explanatory that I was refering to the person who wrote the post which was quoted as the OP of that post.

But hey, more picking on semantics here!!! whatever...
 


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