Yet another teacher rant

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My DD13 was home sick for 3 days (vomitting). She went back to school yesterday (with a doctor's note). She had missed assignments and gotten 0s (these get taken off when she makes up the work).

Her history teacher embarrassed my DD in class saying that if she did not do her assignments on time, she will never get into college (this is 8th grade). The fact that my baby was running a 103 fever and was vomitting for 4 days did not seem to matter. The homework was more important than her health. Can someone explain this attitude to me cause I don't get it.
 
I dunno why your DD was embarassed. Teachers can be nasty, it's usually all about them. I'd just chalk him/her up as a mean person and move on. More kids should stay home when they're sick, and then less kids would be out. If that makes sense.
 
Ok...let me start my saying....imo you are right to feel this way with this situation. Now, we all know how ridiculous it is for this teacher to say without completing this homework your child will not get into college. But unfortunately there are many, many children who do not complete their homework, and who's parent's do not encourage make-up work. And at the risk of being yelled at, I am gonna say that there are very few people outside of the teaching profession that truly understand what it is like to be a "teacher" in a clasroom setting. It just seems to me, it is extremely hard for a teacher in this day and age to EVER do the RIGHT THING!
 
Hope your dd is feeling better. Teachers get nasty sometimes. tell her not to worry about it. how many 0s can you get in three days? not many. three zeros wont' fail you. let alone keep you out of college.
 

Perhaps the teacher didn't realize how sick your DD was. At 13 she is old enough to speak up and say, "I am sorry, I was really sick with a fever and I will get them done as quickly as possible". I would suspect your DD is one of many kids in her classes and she doesn't pay attention to the "particulars".
 
kcork1026 said:
It just seems to me, it is extremely hard for a teacher in this day and age to EVER do the RIGHT THING!
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My granddaughter is in the second grade right now and she has always had wonderful teachers who clearly go above and beyond.. She's out of school right now for a week because she just had her tonsils and adenoids taken out on Friday and her teacher made a point of sending the work home a week ahead of time so she could work on it a little each night while she was still feeling fine and not in pain recovering from surgery..

All 3 of her teachers have been young and I think that makes a big difference.. The longer teachers teach, the greater the odds of them "burning out" (and probably due to a lot of the guff they have to put up with from parents who think their children do absolutely no wrong).. However, the remark from this teacher was totally uncalled for.. Teachers are not there to embarrass their students and I believe I would speak to her privately about it to be sure that it didn't happen again.. The child was sick - not in Disney World on vacation!
 
we have never had an issue getting homework here -- after the 1st day of sickness, can request for daily assignments to be picked up at the front office

But I do not think that the teacher should have went on a rant in front of the class either---embarrassing
 
Sparx said:
Hope your dd is feeling better. Teachers get nasty sometimes. tell her not to worry about it. how many 0s can you get in three days? not many. three zeros wont' fail you. let alone keep you out of college.

You are right. Teachers can get nasty sometimes. The OP didn't mention whether her DD is in MIDDLE school or high school. After having four DSs in the public school system, the difference in attitude in middle school teachers vs. high school teachers is noticable. My DSs have encountered some really nasty teachers in middle school and I have to say, none of them have had a negative teacher in the high school except an art teacher who didn't like DS #2. "He's really big and takes up a lot of space when he moves around the class room". I transferred him out of that class because she was a little "nuts". I have had two physicians, as part of a social conversation, tell me that they can tell a middle school teacher from the "get go". Even the ladies in the office seem to convey an attitude of "you are invading my space". I was amazed at the difference in attitude once my sons hit the high school. DS #1 forgot his math book in 8th grade. He raised his hand and asked to borrow a book. The male teacher said; "Come up and take this one you waste of human matter before I throw it at you". Now that definately embarrassed DS. I called the principal and said; "DS percieves that Mr. XXX said something awful to him. It doesn't matter if Mr. XXX said it or not but it is vital that DS doesn't perceive that again, please talk to Mr.XXX". I would not tell the principal what was said but the teacher did apologize to my son and the rest of the year went fine.
 
Twinkles6892 said:
Teachers can be nasty, it's usually all about them.
Yep, we're the most selfish people around. I only keep teaching so I can keep drawing my big, fat paychecks. :rolleyes:
My brother makes more money bartending 5 nights than I make in a month, with my Master's degree. And yet, I wouldn't trade my job for the world, and neither would any of the other teachers I know. Maybe it's because it's all about us, and we enjoy all the glory that comes along with being a teacher. Maybe we enjoy the elevated societal rank or the fact that, with Masters degrees, the taxpayers still see fit to give us a lower salary then the average grocery store assistant manager. Maybe we enjoy the fact that the whiniest, dumbest, trashiest parent in the world, can march into the school demanding a conference and complaining because little Jimmy, who turned in 2 of his 27 assignments this quarter, got an F. Maybe we like the fact that everyone and his brother feels like he's our boss and knows our business best and can tell us what to do and how to do it.
Or maybe, just maybe, we're actually dedicated PROFESSIONALS who take all of this trash and file it in the "not worth our time" category, because we know that we're darn good at what we do, and we love the kids, and even parents like these aren't going to stand in the way of the education that we know these kids can get. Does that mean we don't have bad days, or days when we're feeling poorly ourselves, or days when we wish we had smaller classes so we could get to know each child the way we want to know them? Heck no, but most of us do our best, and if we didn't, we'd go into another, more lucrative field - take your pick - stripper? factory worker? subway driver?
Grrrr... I don't know you or your daughter's deal or how often she calls in sick or whether she does her makeup work when she's out or whether she's got a meanspirited warlock for a teacher or whether she's got a teacher who has to deal with 80-100 children each day (standard fare for a middle school) and doesn't know or have time to know exactly what was wrong with her.
All I know is that I don't believe comments like the one I quoted above are appropriate, and I absolutely believe that such comments are the reason this country is facing a critical teaching shortage. We have difficult enough working situations as it is, and I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to walk into their nearest school with 50% or greater numbers of kids on free & reduced lunch, and spend a week in a classroom.
And, to answer the OP's question about explaining this attitude, how many of you know 80-100 of your coworkers on such a personal basis that you care deeply about each and every one of them and wonder what is happening when they don't show up to work for a day or two? Unfortunately, crowded schools mean that middle/high school teachers don't have time to develop the relationship with children that elementary school teachers can afford. Sad, believe me, it saddens us, too, but until the taxpayers are willing to fund the school system adequately, it's something we're all having to live with.
Cheers!
Heather W
 
hmp2z said:
Yep, we're the most selfish people around. I only keep teaching so I can keep drawing my big, fat paychecks. :rolleyes:

I meant like, when they're stressed out and they flip out at you. They (or at least my teachers) they have meetings up the wazoo, or a million tests to grade, and they usually apologize afterwards.
 
hmp2z said:
Unfortunately, crowded schools mean that middle/high school teachers don't have time to develop the relationship with children that elementary school teachers can afford. Sad, believe me, it saddens us, too, but until the taxpayers are willing to fund the school system adequately, it's something we're all having to live with.
Cheers!
Heather W

I don't think that it has to do with over crowding because that certainly isn't the case in our town. I also find that the attitude is so much different between the high school and middle school. I think that middle school starts "too early" for most kids. In our town it was in 5th grade. At that age, particularly many boys, need the elementary school model. They tend to be too disorganized to deal effectively with the organizational requirements of multiple teachers and changing classes.
 
As a teacher, we are human and do make mistakes. What your daughters teacher was probally not meant to embarrass you child. Don't sewat the small stuff! Tell your daughter to do the work and turn it in on time with a smile!
 
hmp2z said:
Yep, we're the most selfish people around. I only keep teaching so I can keep drawing my big, fat paychecks. :rolleyes:
My brother makes more money bartending 5 nights than I make in a month, with my Master's degree. And yet, I wouldn't trade my job for the world, and neither would any of the other teachers I know. Maybe it's because it's all about us, and we enjoy all the glory that comes along with being a teacher. Maybe we enjoy the elevated societal rank or the fact that, with Masters degrees, the taxpayers still see fit to give us a lower salary then the average grocery store assistant manager. Maybe we enjoy the fact that the whiniest, dumbest, trashiest parent in the world, can march into the school demanding a conference and complaining because little Jimmy, who turned in 2 of his 27 assignments this quarter, got an F. Maybe we like the fact that everyone and his brother feels like he's our boss and knows our business best and can tell us what to do and how to do it.
Or maybe, just maybe, we're actually dedicated PROFESSIONALS who take all of this trash and file it in the "not worth our time" category, because we know that we're darn good at what we do, and we love the kids, and even parents like these aren't going to stand in the way of the education that we know these kids can get. Does that mean we don't have bad days, or days when we're feeling poorly ourselves, or days when we wish we had smaller classes so we could get to know each child the way we want to know them? Heck no, but most of us do our best, and if we didn't, we'd go into another, more lucrative field - take your pick - stripper? factory worker? subway driver?
Grrrr... I don't know you or your daughter's deal or how often she calls in sick or whether she does her makeup work when she's out or whether she's got a meanspirited warlock for a teacher or whether she's got a teacher who has to deal with 80-100 children each day (standard fare for a middle school) and doesn't know or have time to know exactly what was wrong with her.
All I know is that I don't believe comments like the one I quoted above are appropriate, and I absolutely believe that such comments are the reason this country is facing a critical teaching shortage. We have difficult enough working situations as it is, and I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to walk into their nearest school with 50% or greater numbers of kids on free & reduced lunch, and spend a week in a classroom.
And, to answer the OP's question about explaining this attitude, how many of you know 80-100 of your coworkers on such a personal basis that you care deeply about each and every one of them and wonder what is happening when they don't show up to work for a day or two? Unfortunately, crowded schools mean that middle/high school teachers don't have time to develop the relationship with children that elementary school teachers can afford. Sad, believe me, it saddens us, too, but until the taxpayers are willing to fund the school system adequately, it's something we're all having to live with.
Cheers!
Heather W

Go Heather! :banana:
 
hmp2z said:
Yep, we're the most selfish people around. I only keep teaching so I can keep drawing my big, fat paychecks. :rolleyes:
My brother makes more money bartending 5 nights than I make in a month, with my Master's degree. And yet, I wouldn't trade my job for the world, and neither would any of the other teachers I know. Maybe it's because it's all about us, and we enjoy all the glory that comes along with being a teacher. Maybe we enjoy the elevated societal rank or the fact that, with Masters degrees, the taxpayers still see fit to give us a lower salary then the average grocery store assistant manager. Maybe we enjoy the fact that the whiniest, dumbest, trashiest parent in the world, can march into the school demanding a conference and complaining because little Jimmy, who turned in 2 of his 27 assignments this quarter, got an F. Maybe we like the fact that everyone and his brother feels like he's our boss and knows our business best and can tell us what to do and how to do it.
Or maybe, just maybe, we're actually dedicated PROFESSIONALS who take all of this trash and file it in the "not worth our time" category, because we know that we're darn good at what we do, and we love the kids, and even parents like these aren't going to stand in the way of the education that we know these kids can get. Does that mean we don't have bad days, or days when we're feeling poorly ourselves, or days when we wish we had smaller classes so we could get to know each child the way we want to know them? Heck no, but most of us do our best, and if we didn't, we'd go into another, more lucrative field - take your pick - stripper? factory worker? subway driver?
Grrrr... I don't know you or your daughter's deal or how often she calls in sick or whether she does her makeup work when she's out or whether she's got a meanspirited warlock for a teacher or whether she's got a teacher who has to deal with 80-100 children each day (standard fare for a middle school) and doesn't know or have time to know exactly what was wrong with her.
All I know is that I don't believe comments like the one I quoted above are appropriate, and I absolutely believe that such comments are the reason this country is facing a critical teaching shortage. We have difficult enough working situations as it is, and I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to walk into their nearest school with 50% or greater numbers of kids on free & reduced lunch, and spend a week in a classroom.
And, to answer the OP's question about explaining this attitude, how many of you know 80-100 of your coworkers on such a personal basis that you care deeply about each and every one of them and wonder what is happening when they don't show up to work for a day or two? Unfortunately, crowded schools mean that middle/high school teachers don't have time to develop the relationship with children that elementary school teachers can afford. Sad, believe me, it saddens us, too, but until the taxpayers are willing to fund the school system adequately, it's something we're all having to live with.


:thumbsup2 I'm a teacher too, and I bust by butt everyday trying to help "my" kids learn. Not only do I have to deal with learning issues, but I also have to deal with children from broken homes, who get cursed out or treated like garbage and then come in angry and scared. I have to deal with children who don't have enough to eat at home. It is not an easy job, and I sure don't do it for the big $ involved. I have to work afterschool and babysit on the side to make enough to support my son. I do it because I love it, despite all the stress it puts on me.

The comment your child's teacher made was inappropriate and I would speak to him in private about it. Can you imagine, though, having 30-35 little tape recorders recording every word you say. I can tell you from experience that sometimes we say things before we think(like other human beings :confused3 )

Marsha
 
Hmmmm...what's up with History teachers?

My DD is in 9th grade this year and, prior to high school, history/social studies was one of her best subjects.

This year, she's got this loser of a teacher. He drones on and on about nothing and then tests them on stuff he never brought up. I happen to believe my DD on this because mostly all of her friends are struggling with him too. It is time for this man to go. I've never seen my DD get so frustrated with an adult.

Today, they were discussing in class their picks for next year. Their choices are AP Euro History or Geography. I guess my DD indicated that she might like to do AP and he told her in front of everyone that she should "rethink that because she needed to be in a sissy class."
 
It would depend how upset I would be at these remarks on how my child reacted to the remarks. My child was out sick one day and was too sick to have homework sent home to her. When she went back the next day the teacher thought she had been in band instead of in class (didn't realize she was out sick), gave her a detention for not having her homework completed and a zero on the assignment. She also made her feel small in front of her classmates by yelling at her for her assignment not being completed. Mind you this is a straight A student who has never had a detention. She is in the 4th grade. She came home from school and burst into tears. I asked why she didn't speak up and say she was absent and she said because she is so afraid of this teacher that was why. Also when asked, some of her classmates said she is very mean to my daughter. Needless to say I was livid and a call was made both to the teacher and to the principal. We did have a meeting and the teacher was apologetic and admitted that it was hard to keep track of 120 students. Well maybe it is hard, but I would think before you give out a zero and a detention that you would double check. This is not a child who turns in assignments late, ever. I told her that she rode my other child (a high honor student) when he was in her class and that she was not going to do that to my daughter. I also told her if she was going to pick on my child then I was going to pick on her. I really don't want to hear how much $ you don't make or how hard your job is. I would LOVE to tell my patients that I have a hard, poor paying, unappreciative job, but I don't. So, yes, everyone has a bad day. Myself included. But to be cruel to kids is unacceptable. This is what my daughter's teacher is......cruel. Believe me, I am not the only complaint. It is also a policy in her classroom (both last year and this year) that no questions are allowed. If you don't get the lesson the first time, too bad. It is up to you to figure it out. I have seen her not answer questions from students when I was in the classroom so her behavior is not new. If she is so miserable with her job, then quit and get another one. It is just not right to treat a kid like that and then when called on it, she backed down but the behavior has continued in the classroom. Thankfully, she is now out on maternity leave. The substitute teacher just asked me today if my daughter was "ok" since she seemed so off in math class. This is the same substitute that just had my daughter's class from August through November due to another teacher being out. I explained what had happened and she said she could tell a difference in my daughter. She also said she knew everything I was telling her was correct as her own daughter has this other teacher and has experienced the same behavior. She said she will pay extra attention to my daughter to boost her confidence and make her feel self-assured. For that I am truly grateful that she cares enough to go that extra mile. She is a wonderful teacher and a great person. Mind you my daughter does get an A in math, so it is not like she struggles and fails. It is just that this other teacher, power authority, has really done a number on her. That is what is being missed here. Sure people have bad days, but if the number of bad days is greater than the number of good days, then do everyone a favor and find a new profession.
 
All I'll say is (as a 6 and 9th grade teacher)

I won't believe everything they say about you, if you don't believe everything they say about me
 
I forgot to add that I send the kids to a private school so I don't know how many issues of broken homes, not having enough to eat, etc. there are at this school. There is no tuition assistance and 99% of the kids that go there are from 2 parent homes. It is a small school and there is a parent phonebook issued with names/phone numbers in it. Again, that doesn't mean that there are troubled kids, kids that have emotional problems, etc. I am just saying that it is pretty middle of the road and the discipline problems are few and far between. They are very strict on behavior and even start detention cards in 1st grade. If a detention is received, even in first grade, you have to write from the bible for an hour as part of your punishment. The older you are, the more punishment there is. There are no breaks. 10 demerits, no matter what the grade, receives a detention. We all agreed to this. So being strict is not a problem with me. Being unreasonable and consistently mistreating the kids is a big problem for me and I will not put up with that if it leaves a scar on the kid.
 
punkin said:
My DD13 was home sick for 3 days (vomitting). She went back to school yesterday (with a doctor's note). She had missed assignments and gotten 0s (these get taken off when she makes up the work).

Her history teacher embarrassed my DD in class saying that if she did not do her assignments on time, she will never get into college (this is 8th grade). The fact that my baby was running a 103 fever and was vomitting for 4 days did not seem to matter. The homework was more important than her health. Can someone explain this attitude to me cause I don't get it.


Any chance your dd might have embellished the story some????
 
wilderness01 said:
Being unreasonable and consistently mistreating the kids is a big problem for me and I will not put up with that if it leaves a scar on the kid.

But you are putting up with it. You state that both your children have had this same teacher. So not only are you putting up with it, you're paying for it. Honestly, if a number of parents have a problem with a teacher, I would hope that they would come together as a group and do something about that teacher.

As far as the OP's problem, I don't agree with what the teacher said at all.
 


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