WWE'S Chris Benoit and his family found dead!

[The_Horned_King]

They said in teh press conferance (which I watched live btw) that there was a spot of blood on her head..but then they went on to say that there was NO STRUGGLE involved at all by the looks of everythign they have discovered.

 

[Anewman]

Yes, I read that there was blood underneath her head which may point to a struggle.

Not that she was really capable of putting up much of a struggle against him, not saying it was rage just that the way her body was found might not be exactly how/where she died and should not be taken as an indicator of said rage(or not) YET. After all he was alone with the bodies for a long time.

 

[Anewman]

They said in teh press conferance (which I watched live btw) that there was a spot of blood on her head..but then they went on to say that there was NO STRUGGLE involved at all by the looks of everythign they have discovered.

But in your other quote(espn) it actually sounds like a struggle to me.

her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Ballard told ESPN.com that it appeared that she had been pinned to the floor and asphyxiated with some sort of cable.

 

[The_Horned_King]

But in your other quote(espn) it actually sounds like a struggle to me.

I posted the EPSN link...but having watched the Fayette County Police Conference on MSNBC live at 3:00pm today the leade dective and the police cheif said that there was no struggle.

I'm not sure who the guy espn talked to so...I tend to lean with what I heard the cops say as I watched it live. Espicllay since some of the reports I have been reading are stating things that are completely false and contradictory to what the cops have said in numerous statements...I just am posting what I find as I see it to let everyone see what is being reported from all sources.

 

[Anewman]

I'm not sure who the guy espn talked to so...

The District Attorney.

 

[dreamin in pa]

I wholeheartedly agree. That and what we can do to prevent it from happening again.

The Horned King I have to say WOW, you are very knowledgeable about wrestling. I applaud your posts which all make absolute sense!

JadenLayne-I absolutely agree with you about preventing it from happening again. Whatever the reason this happened, that is the most important thing.

The Horned King- I, too, find your post very informative. I grew up watching wrestling with my whole family but haven't watched it for a few years. I remember Benoit from the days of The 4 Horsemen. Yes, he may have been a great wrestler but it will never change the last act of his life.

 

[The_Horned_King]

I agree that blood would indicate a struggle if it was all over...

But My guess would be a shot to the head (fist, lamp, ect.) would drawblood and maybe knock her out.

Allowing Chris to tie her up without a sruggle.

The Horned King- I, too, find your post very informative. I grew up watching wrestling with my whole family but haven't watched it for a few years. I remember Benoit from the days of The 4 Horsemen. Yes, he may have been a great wrestler but it will never change the last act of his life.

Thank you ...and you are right no matter what he did in his career and life it will always be tainted by this last horrific act.

 

[Tasha+Scott]

I only hope that you say the same thing the next time a mother snaps and kills her kids.

Well, that goes without saying for me. I have no respect for anyone who murders someone,especially a child, whether they be male or female, the mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, Pastor George...doesn't matter. I think anyone who murders a child is evil, twisted, and sick. I don't care what his reasons are for the murder, nothing validates it in my mind.

In a way I agree with you, but in a way I don't let me explain why....Up here in ohio as you know we just had a lady and her unborn child murdered by her boyfriend who just so happened to be a **cough married cough**cop.

This is just my opinion but The fact that I didn't know who he was personally makes no difference in that I respect that he WAS a man of the law who served and protected us. I repsect the job he did...do I repsect him as a man? NOPE...in fact I hope he can be forgiven for what he has done..but thats not my place to judge.

I think the thing is for some people...like me...it's easy to seperate someone(and the job they did) weither it was entertainment or a cop from the human person that I did not know. I knew Benoit as a performer, I didn't know him as a fellow human beign. I can seperate the entertainer form the man other's can't.

Again just my feelings and opinion on it.

I respect your opinion, I do, but I disagree 100%. I don't feel the need to separate the person's career and the fact that they murdered their family. Once he killed his wife and kid, any accomplishments he may have had went out the window for me. To admire his career is just not something I can do when I know what he did. It's not that I can't separate the two; it's that I can't give him that kind of respect or admiration when he truly no longer deserves it. He killed his own child and his career doesn't seem all that important to me in light of that. Sorry, but that's the way I feel about it and I realize you don't agree which is your right.

And for the record, I feel the same way about a cop who kills someone too (other than in self-defense of course, I'm talking the malicious, intentional murder of someone like you mentioned above). I would feel the same way about my favorite actress, singer, or teacher from high school. Murder is murder and that is all that matters to me. Again, JMO and you're definitely entitled to see it differently. I do thank you for disagreeing with me in a civil manner though and I hope my post didn't come off as rude. Just stating why I feel the way I do.

 

[Anewman]

Interesting article here

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/26/benoitcase/

Some quotes.

Sports Illustrated reporters Luis Fernando Llosa and L. Jon Wertheim have been investigating an alleged illegal steroid distribution network that has implicated numerous pro athletes. On Feb. 27 the two SI writers accompanied federal and state drug enforcement agents on a raid of a Jupiter, Fla., anti-aging clinic that investigators allege conspired to fraudulently prescribe steroids, human growth hormone and other performance-enhancing drugs over the Internet.

pro wrestler Chris Benoit (a.k.a. The Canadian Crippler) was a customer of MedXLife, a Florida-based, anti-aging clinic that had two of its owners plead guilty in April to illegal steroid distribution.

According to SI's sources, three packages sent to Benoit originated at Signature Pharmacy, the compound pharmacy that was the primary target of the February raid in Orlando.

SI.com reported in March that the names of multiple high profile wrestlers have surfaced in this investigation. For example, according to documents we reviewed, HCG and the steroid stanozolol were sent to WWE star Eddie Guerrero in early 2005. (Guerrero died on Nov. 13, 2005, in a Minneapolis hotel room due to what a coroner later ruled as heart disease, complicated by an enlarged heart resulting from a history of anabolic steroid use.)
In total, there were 11 professional wrestlers listed in the documents that we saw related to a previous raid.

SI.com: What is the WWE's drug policy?

Llosa/Wertheim: In March, Davis pointed us to a Talent Wellness Program instituted in February 2006. As to whether anabolic steroids and HGH are banned, Davis sent us an email quoting the policy: "The WWE policy prohibits the use of performance-enhancing drugs, as well as other prescription drugs which can be abused, if taken for other than a legitimate medical purpose pursuant to a valid prescription from a licensed and treating physician.

 

[JadenLayne]

Humm that is interesting. I have a question, can someone explain to me what Steroid Anger or Rage is. Do the pills cause you to lose your mind? Is this common and how long do the rages last?

I'm honestly curious as I've never heard about it.

 

[The_Horned_King]

Well, that goes without saying for me. I have no respect for anyone who murders someone,especially a child, whether they be male or female, the mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, Pastor George...doesn't matter. I think anyone who murders a child is evil, twisted, and sick. I don't care what his reasons are for the murder, nothing validates it in my mind.



I respect your opinion, I do, but I disagree 100%. I don't feel the need to separate the person's career and the fact that they murdered their family. Once he killed his wife and kid, any accomplishments he may have had went out the window for me. To admire his career is just not something I can do when I know what he did. It's not that I can't separate the two; it's that I can't give him that kind of respect or admiration when he truly no longer deserves it. He killed his own child and his career doesn't seem all that important to me in light of that. Sorry, but that's the way I feel about it and I realize you don't agree which is your right.

And for the record, I feel the same way about a cop who kills someone too (other than in self-defense of course, I'm talking the malicious, intentional murder of someone like you mentioned above). I would feel the same way about my favorite actress, singer, or teacher from high school. Murder is murder and that is all that matters to me. Again, JMO and you're definitely entitled to see it differently. I do thank you for disagreeing with me in a civil manner though and I hope my post didn't come off as rude. Just stating why I feel the way I do.

That's fine I understand that and I know people will see things in a different way...like I said it's just my opinion.

Interesting article here

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/26/benoitcase/

Some quotes.

Excpet for the fact that benoit was just tested for steroids in April and was clean as a whistle.((see my post a page back for the actual info))

And the roids at his house were perscription

Not that he couldn't have started useing again after that.

IN VERY INTERSTING AND NEW NEWS....

I pulled this from a wrestling insiders messageboard (people in the biz)

WWE/Chris Benoit timeline
Written: June 26, 2007

On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show.

WWE executives rebooked Benoit's flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday.

WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him.

Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers:



Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
"My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit's cell phone
"The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open"

Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit's cell phone
"My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit's cell phone
"My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit's cell phone
"My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit.

At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayetteville County Sheriff's office requesting they check on the Benoit family.

Fayetteville County Sheriffs office made contact with WWE at approximately 4:00 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies - an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit's home was now considered a major crime scene.

The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.

 

[Anewman]

Humm that is interesting. I have a question, can someone explain to me what Steroid Anger or Rage is. Do the pills cause you to lose your mind? Is this common and how long do the rages last?

I'm honestly curious as I've never heard about it.

In my uneducated words.
Certain hormones affect aggression and or other emotions(depression).
Steroids radically alter the amounts of certain hormones in the body.

Some feel men already have too much testosterone.

 

[The_Horned_King]

Humm that is interesting. I have a question, can someone explain to me what Steroid Anger or Rage is. Do the pills cause you to lose your mind? Is this common and how long do the rages last?

I'm honestly curious as I've never heard about it.

Due to the high/increased levels of Testosterone(sp?) the primal instinct of the fighting male as I like to put it can bubble to the surface at any moment....think of it like a mood swing for a women at that time of the month, only much worse and violent. Wanting to smash, break ,hurt, kill, ect.

Thing is that it's just like a mood swing and would not have lasted for a long period(2-3days) time. Also Roid rage is not really associated with tieing someone up, ect. wich is a premeditated act.

Think that pretty well explains it.

 

[disneyfan67]

Humm that is interesting. I have a question, can someone explain to me what Steroid Anger or Rage is. Do the pills cause you to lose your mind? Is this common and how long do the rages last?

I'm honestly curious as I've never heard about it.

Here's a place to start.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/21/Sports/_Roid_rage.shtml

In the brain, steroids can affect other chemicals, such as serotonin and dopamine, leading to depression or impulsive behavior.

Steroids also can make users more aggressive. That might boost an athlete's confidence and will to win. But it also might send him into a hormone-fueled violent "roid rage."

Here's a really good article I remember reading a few years ago and it's worth the time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38282-2005Mar15.html

This is a quote from the article.

Don Hooton said he did not know his son the last year of his life. On steroids, Taylor Hooton didn't live; he ticked. He developed hand-grenade moods and an aggressive personality that put Taylor at ease in the musclehead subculture of his Plano gym. He beat up his girlfriend's former boyfriend. He threw telephones through the wall. The new ripples in Taylor's veins -- going from a sinewy, 170-pound kid to a 205-pound rock -- made the girls in the hall coo.

"When he started using them, he just wanted to be the number one pitcher," Don Hooton remembered. "Once Taylor started bulking up, then girls became involved. His look changed. It started as an athletic thing and then it became a vanity thing."

 

[JadenLayne]

Thats what I was thinking. Rage would equal.....well rage. Tying up and strangling just don't point to rage. I wonder if the house was torn up which would again point to rage.

I just can't understand how anyone could kill their own child. Not that killing his wife was okay but you do see men and women kill their spouse in rages and for other reasons but that poor baby. I just don't understand why he couldn't let that baby bo to a friend's house or something.

I wonder if we will ever really know anything.

 

[Anewman]

Excpet for the fact that benoit was just tested for steroids in April and was clean as a whistle.((see my post a page back for the actual info))

And the roids at his house were perscription

Not that he couldn't have started useing again after that.

Yes I read the WWE's press release where they say he tested negative on their "DRUG" TEST, they did not say what that tested for.

But you see I also bolded part of the SI article, WWE allows STERIOD USE if you have a prescription while most real sports make no such exemption.

If you read the entire SI article it was a ANTI-AGING CLINIC that was raided too, for selling PRESCRIBED steroids.

 

[The_Horned_King]

We will ever really know what went on inside the house.

Don't think it was torn up at all...as that would indicate a struggle, and they said in the press conferance that there was no struggle.

Yes I read the WWE's press release where they say he tested negative on their "DRUG" TEST, they did not say what that tested for.

But you see I also bolded part of the SI article, WWE allows STERIOD USE if you have a prescription while most real sports make no such exemption.

If you read the entire SI article it was a ANTI-AGING CLINIC that was raided too, for selling PRESCRIBED steroids.

I can tell you they test for roids along with all illegeal substances like pot, cocane, ect.

And I'm not doubting he got them from there...or that he was on them again. Just poiting out that as of the last test he was clean.(Which in my opinion he should have been as it's been a couple years if memory serves right since his broken neck and surgery for which they were perscribed)

 

[PrincessTiff]

To the person that was sickened by just watching a tribute to him and this happened? I'm so sorry you feel that way. But remember, what he is suspected of (emphasis on suspected) doesn't invalidate the amazing things in wrestling he did. His friends and fans did not know him as this person that would do something like this, and they're hurting. They're probably hurting that much more now that they're finding this out. And if they want to pay tribute to the great things he did in life, then more power to them!

It most certainly does.

Why pay tribute to a murderer just because he was "famous"? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Can you read? His actions don't invalidate his career! I said it again! The man had an amazing wrestling career and I respect it fully.

You are just trying to pick a fight with me now and I'm ending it. I'm way to upset to try and deal with you doing this. Try picking on someone who's not freaking grief stricken.

No need to be so rude, the man has a point.

 

[disneyfan67]

The big difference is in the outcomes. When it comes to baseball, football,a and the like, the winners are determined by the competition, not predetermined by promoters.

Wrestling like you see in the Olympics is a competitive sport. WWE is entertainment with storylines and scripts, right down to who is going to win. I'm not discounting the athleticism of the wrestlers. Yes, they are athletic and do exhibit an amount of skill to perform the moves they do, but in the end WWE is more entertainment than anything. In fact, isn't that what the E in WWE stands for?

Excellent post. This is the point I was trying to get across. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have posted my thoughts on the matter in this thread. There's obviously fans of WWE and of this dead wrestler on this thread and I could see how it could anger some. I stand by what I said 100% and consider it the Gospel truth, but shouldn't have posted it here. I do feel for the child and mother who died and can't imagine the terror both of them felt in their last moments on this earth. The only halfway good thing about this terrible incident is, hopefully the child and mother are at peace and together.

 

[Anewman]

We will ever really know what went on inside the house.

Don't think it was torn up at all...as that would indicate a struggle, and they said in the press conferance that there was no struggle.

I seriously ask you

What kind of struggle could she possibly put up against him if he was in a rage?