Would you want this responsibility?

Next year a student coming into my grade level has a severe allergy that means there is a possibility that an epi-pen might need to be used. Apparently there is another student in another grade as well. The nurse is looking for teachers that are willing to get trained on how to administer the epi-pen, if needed, if she is out of the building or can't get there fast enough. I'm sure none of my team is going to volunteer and being the lead teacher, I will be asked. I understand the need, but I'm thinking that there is a serious liability surrounding this as well.

I'm a head start teacher and I am trained every year on how to administer any type of medication, this includes epi pens and inhalers for children 3-5 years old. It's really not that big of a deal. You do the training, gain the knowledge and have the confidence in yourself to know that if ever there is an emergency, you know how to use the epi pen. I've had to use it on kids before and like I said, it's really not that big of a deal. I know it's kind of scary but, I feel all teachers should be trained in these type of situations because in minutes a child can be dead if your just waiting for a nurse to get there.:)
 
I guess I didn't write what I was thinking! (Long day at work!) Anyway, what I was trying to say is it possible to keep an Epi-Pen at a school for anyone who may need it or would it just be for the person it is prescribed to? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I'm just wondering! :)

No, absolutely not. It must be prescribed. They often come in packs of two, so one can be left at school while the other stays with the child. (if the patient is an adult, one can be left at their work, or where ever they want it)

The school can't just have a random epipen - it must be prescribed for a specific child, just like an inhaler is prescribed for a specific child (usually kids with severe asthma have an inhaler at school plus one on their person). Actually, I have a friend whose DD has asthma, and she has them everywhere - lol. In her purse, her car, her house, the DD13 carries one, and the school has one.
 
No, absolutely not. It must be prescribed. They often come in packs of two, so one can be left at school while the other stays with the child. (if the patient is an adult, one can be left at their work, or where ever they want it)

The school can't just have a random epipen - it must be prescribed for a specific child, just like an inhaler is prescribed for a specific child (usually kids with severe asthma have an inhaler at school plus one on their person). Actually, I have a friend whose DD has asthma, and she has them everywhere - lol. In her purse, her car, her house, the DD13 carries one, and the school has one.

This is the same for my daughter. I have one in my purse, she has one in her backpack, one in her softball bag, and one in the nurse's office at school. My mom also has asthma, so I know when DD's with her, there is always one available.
 
and yes most kids have 2 so one can be hand at all times. Mine is actually quite expired I just realized that the other day! Good news I obviously havent had to use it :cool1:

Of course I do a fairly good job of not entering tire stores, changing tires, handling anything rubber including rubberbands, or anything like that.



ETA, I carry it on my person and have to declare it whenever I fly. I was pretty nervouse about it the first time even though I know its allowed. You never how theyre going to react to stuff you know? So I declared it like I am supposed it and he said "For future reference we can NEVER tell you that you cant take something on board that you medically NEED to have"

Expired epi's and a cantalope are great for teaching kids how to self-admin.
 

Next year a student coming into my grade level has a severe allergy that means there is a possibility that an epi-pen might need to be used. Apparently there is another student in another grade as well. The nurse is looking for teachers that are willing to get trained on how to administer the epi-pen, if needed, if she is out of the building or can't get there fast enough. I'm sure none of my team is going to volunteer and being the lead teacher, I will be asked. I understand the need, but I'm thinking that there is a serious liability surrounding this as well.

Hmmmmm. Would you rather stand there and watch the child die?
 
In this day and age with so many kids with allergies, all teachers should know how to do this.

I wouldn't want to be responsible for the death of a child in my care because I didn't know how to do this.
 
I haven't read through this entire thread so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.
OP, what is the age of the child coming into your class? I know a few kids who have epi-pens and they were taught how to administer themself at a very young age. I think its important for any child with a severe allergy to know how to use it in case an adult is not present.
That being said, I would think that any teacher would want to be trained on how to use it if they had a student in their class carrying one.
 
Next year a student coming into my grade level has a severe allergy that means there is a possibility that an epi-pen might need to be used. Apparently there is another student in another grade as well. The nurse is looking for teachers that are willing to get trained on how to administer the epi-pen, if needed, if she is out of the building or can't get there fast enough. I'm sure none of my team is going to volunteer and being the lead teacher, I will be asked. I understand the need, but I'm thinking that there is a serious liability surrounding this as well.


Frankly, it doesn't really matter whether or not you want the responsibility. You are a teacher. You already have the responsibility.

My brother and I both have food allergies and Epi-pens. When we were in elementary school in the 80s, our teachers weren't trained in how to handle food allergies or Epi-pens. Our inhalers and Epis were kept in a locked cabinet in the front office. My brother's 3rd grade teacher gave him a hard candy one afternoon because he did well on a test. My brother accepted. The center of the candy was an almond. My brother began to have a reaction and went to the office. The principal and secretary (we didn't have a school nurse) realized they didn't know what to do, so they called me out of the 5th grade to give him the Epi-pen. By then, my brother was panicking because he couldn't breathe. He knew it was close enough to dismissal time for my mother to be in the schoolyard. He ran out of the school and to her. She pulled an Epi out of her pocketbook and stuck him within a few seconds. H would have been fine if his teacher had been trained.
 
I haven't read through this entire thread so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.
OP, what is the age of the child coming into your class? I know a few kids who have epi-pens and they were taught how to administer themself at a very young age. I think its important for any child with a severe allergy to know how to use it in case an adult is not present.
That being said, I would think that any teacher would want to be trained on how to use it if they had a student in their class carrying one.

My son was able to administer his own epi-pen from the age of 6. It ain't brain-surgery (now there's some serious liability.....).
 
My child has a peanut allergy and I am trained on how to do the epi-pen because I have to be, not because I want to be. That doesn't mean I am not scared as s*** because I can't imagine having to do it to her. It's a moment I hope to never have. :scared1:

Having said that, I am also a teacher, and while it's not something I want to ever happen, it's a responsibility I'll take. But chances are, you'll never need that skill. :)
 
This is not a "want to" responsibility, this is a "have to" responsibility
 
Next year a student coming into my grade level has a severe allergy that means there is a possibility that an epi-pen might need to be used. . . . I understand the need, but I'm thinking that there is a serious liability surrounding this as well.


I would think the liability would be if you DIDN'T administer the epi-pen.

Do you put Band-aids on your kids if they scrape themselves up on the playground? Because the epi-pen is no more complicated than that.

You pull off the top, put it on the kid's thigh, and push down. You can even do it over their clothes. No needles, no medicine to draw up, nothing.

And it doesn't matter if you give it and he didn't really need it. Won't hurt him. May make him a bit jittery and hyper, though (epinephrine is the same thing as adrenaline).
 
If there was a teacher in my son's school that refused to be trained or wouldn't administer his EPI pen, that teacher would NOT have a job. I would get them removed from their job so freaking fast..heads would spin. OP I'm glad you are getting trained in how to do it. My son is allergic to red ants and one bite could kill him. Every second counts and we almost lost him once when he was first diagnosed with the allergy. It was a horrible horrible experience and one I NEVER want to repeat. If something were to happen to him at school and adults stood by and watched....I can't even put into words what I would do but a lawsuit would be the least of their issues.
 
I would learn if I were you. In fact I would learn happy and willingly.

I hope they have several people trained for it.

Hopefully it will never need to be used but why not be one to help the child out if it needs to be done!
 
Hmmmmm. Would you rather stand there and watch the child die?
Wow, that totally was uncalled for. :sad2: I didn't say anything about standing and watching a child die. I am not required to be trained. I was curious about the liability issue and whether I should take on that responsibility. The child's 3rd grade teacher is trained, but the other 4 teachers on that grade level are not.

If there was a teacher in my son's school that refused to be trained or wouldn't administer his EPI pen, that teacher would NOT have a job. I would get them removed from their job so freaking fast..heads would spin. OP I'm glad you are getting trained in how to do it. My son is allergic to red ants and one bite could kill him. Every second counts and we almost lost him once when he was first diagnosed with the allergy. It was a horrible horrible experience and one I NEVER want to repeat. If something were to happen to him at school and adults stood by and watched....I can't even put into words what I would do but a lawsuit would be the least of their issues.

The way it was presented to us at our faculty meeting was that they were looking for volunteers. We have 5 teachers in each grade level. So no, I don't have to volunteer and it would not have any effect on my job. After speaking to the nurse at my school, I am the only one on my grade level that agreed to do the training, so the child will be put into my class. I have a teaching partner that is out on maternity leave, and she will need to be trained as well because we are departmentalized. The other 3 teachers will not be trained.

I have been teaching for 9 years now and I this is the first time that this has come up.
 
Next year a student coming into my grade level has a severe allergy that means there is a possibility that an epi-pen might need to be used. Apparently there is another student in another grade as well. The nurse is looking for teachers that are willing to get trained on how to administer the epi-pen, if needed, if she is out of the building or can't get there fast enough. I'm sure none of my team is going to volunteer and being the lead teacher, I will be asked. I understand the need, but I'm thinking that there is a serious liability surrounding this as well.


Good Samaritan Laws will protect you if you are acting in good faith. And honestly if a kid is having that sort of problems, the epi pen is not going to hurt. I had to learn to do a glucacon pen for a diabetic student (same principal but with a kid having low blood sugar this is like an instant sugar high). When you're in that much danger, the mediciene was not going to hurt him, even if he didn't need as much as was administered it was still better than doing nothing at all.
 
This is not a "want to" responsibility, this is a "have to" responsibility

Actually, in my situation it's not. They asked for volunteers. If they wanted the entire staff trained, then it would be a "have to"
 
I recently had a severe reaction to something (Still don't know what) and now have an epi-pen. It's in my purse. I've told all the teachers I work with that if I have a reaction to stab me with the sucker. Maybe it's a middle school teacher thing. I wouldn't hesitate to use one on someone else, and my colleagues have stepped up and are willing to administer it for me.
 
Next year a student coming into my grade level has a severe allergy that means there is a possibility that an epi-pen might need to be used. Apparently there is another student in another grade as well. The nurse is looking for teachers that are willing to get trained on how to administer the epi-pen, if needed, if she is out of the building or can't get there fast enough. I'm sure none of my team is going to volunteer and being the lead teacher, I will be asked. I understand the need, but I'm thinking that there is a serious liability surrounding this as well.

IMO every teacher in that building should know how to administer an epi-pen. What do they do when the one trained teacher is out sick? And someone (probably you, since you're a lead teacher) should call your HR department and cover all the liability bases just for peace of mind. The more people who know how to do it, the more likely it is someone -will- do it, because you can look at the other teachers and say "Now? Like this?" and at least get "ummm, yeah, i think so"

I work in HR for an educational nonprofit. This summer we have our first severely peanut/treenut allergic child. As soon as the health form came in, I gathered up our head of summer programs and our operations lead. In less than an half-hour we had:

1) A list liability questions from the realistic (What happens if we give the epi-pen and it isn't needed?) to the absurd (What happens if I smash the epi-pen into his artery and he starts to bleed out all over the floor?)

2) A plan for what we were telling various people involved
a) Everyone involved in the workshop will know how to administer an epi-pen, including the high-school interns helping out and where it is kept. We treated this -exactly- like we do firedrills/evacuation procedures "There's a kid who might need an epi-pen in your workshop - we're teaching you all to do it on date X at time Y.
b) workshop participants and non-involved interns will be told there's a severe peanut/treenut allergy, but not who it is, just that they can't bring nut-based snacks that week
c) non-involved staff will know there's a student with severe peanut/treenut allergies and will have the student discreetly pointed out to them. No nut-based snacks for staff, no opening the jar of PB you keep in your desk that week
d) every staff person knows the plan if there is a need to administer the epi-pen, and roles were assigned to keep the mass of interested bystanders under control and out of the way/make things run more smoothly - primary and backup

3) A list of questions for the parents to clarify if we needed to be more paranoid about our classroom prep (potential nut oils on the keyboard keys, mostly)

10 minutes on the phone with our liability carrier clarified that as long as we were employing the people involved in administering an epi-pen; -any- act they took and the potential negative affects thereof were covered. If we dropped him on his head while hauling him into the elevator and he developed swelling in his brain and died (we're a through lot!) then it was covered. And they were happy to fax me that clarification in writing.

The whole thing, including notifications/training people to use the epi-pen took less than an hour and was kind of a non-event.
 
Our entire staff is given epi-pen training. Our kindergarten staff is also trained in CPR and first aid. We have staff in every building that are trained on ADR as well. I consider any training that my district offers to me as a win-win situation: not only am I now trained to educate a child better or help them in a situation, but I've become a more valuable employee by taking on and learning new skills.
 


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