Would you let a principal know if one of her teachers told the kids...

There is no way at age 10 that they had not already heard the truth from someone, so I don't see why it would be particularly upsetting. The way I see it, if you insist on telling your kids to believe in something that IS NOT REAL, you run the risk of someone else blowing it wide open on you. That's life...


AND YET......
all of us members of the dis...which hmmm...where does the dis come from??...oh Disney!

Yes, because anything Disney is real.

:rotfl:

Why don't we let kids be kids anymore??

This is the age they should still believe in santa, disney, and barbies.

Instead, were pushing them towards "inappropriate" music, and whatever other debates are on here, then complain how bad kids are these days.
 
No. I wouldn't. The man didn't lie to the kids. There IS no such thing as Santa. I can't imagine getting a teacher in trouble over the this.

I highly doubt a teacher would get in trouble over this. And yes, I would tell. It should be my discretion when to let my child know there's no Santa. And, this is DISboards people! We are on here because we love fantasy and make believe. We look for Hidden Mickeys int the real world! We know that cast members aren't really actors on a stage but we pay a lot of money to experience the fantasy imagineered by Walt! We want to re-live our childhood dreams! Maybe some adults want to ruin the magic of childhood because they are jealous of their childrens' youth, or they don't want give Santa to credit for the stuff they bought.

All I know is my daughter believed in Santa until she was in at least 5th grade and the only reason she stopped is because I told her. And I told her because I didn't want her to be harassed. She is now 20 and in college, studying to be a teacher. She works at a daycare and for 5 years coached little girls in cheerleading, while cheering on her high school and allstar cheer teams. She won medals and track and has always maintained a "B" average. So, she seems to have turned out just fine for someone that believed in Santa till she was 10.
 
I wouldn't equate allowing vulgar dancing with telling your children the truth about a myth like Santa Claus. Chances are that even
kids in kindergarden have heard that Santa isn't real from one person or another, whether it is a classmate, or older sibling, or television.

WOW. I actually find this to be VERY interesting...

Many members of the dis seem to have pretty wholesome beliefs which I respect and follow a lot of them.

Just in another thread I was reading, everyone was debating wether or not "vulgar" dancing should be allowed at prom and of course all of the parents thought it was innappropriate....

Yet, a lot of the people replying to this thread think it's kind of foolish that your kid even still believes and that it shouldn't be brought to the principals attention.

Maybe this is the reason kids are growingup way too FAST.

No, I wouldnt get the teacher in trouble...but I don't think thats what your intentions were anyway. The principals your friend, and you're just trying to prevent the same thing from happening again which is fine.


And man what is it with these music teachers??
Sorry if any of you disers are....I just have not had a good one my entire life!!! And they've gotten worse as I got older!?!?! :confused3
 
I know it sounds extreme, but then really what do you think the reason for it is? After really thinking about it, I think we're letting kids grow up entirely too fast.
Of course kids hear things from other kids, siblings, or figure it out themselves. I know I can't change that. However, a teacher doesn't have to be the one who encourages a child to grow up faster than they have to, that's my point. Let them figure it out for themselves, or let the parents decided.

I wouldn't equate allowing vulgar dancing with telling your children the truth about a myth like Santa Claus. Chances are that even
kids in kindergarden have heard that Santa isn't real from one person or another, whether it is a classmate, or older sibling, or television.


Also wanted to point something else out. A lot of people on here said it's wrong to lie to your kids their whole lives about this "myth", but my mom didn't tell me until about 5th or 6th grade.......and I don't think she's a liar for not telling me sooner. I actually wish she never told me :cutie:

There's also a lot of other things in the world that some people argue as a "myth" and we make sure that isn't taught in school.
 

Ok, let's rephrase this, if MY child came up to anyone here on the boards and said "Is Santa Real?" What would you say?
 
Ok, let's rephrase this, if MY child came up to anyone here on the boards and said "Is Santa Real?" What would you say?

Well that's a ridiculous question.
First, if you allow your child to use a computer by themselves..I don't think they would come on the disboards and ask that; they'd probably be smart enough to use google. And if you let them use the computer by themselves; then they are probably old enough to know about Santa. And I still wouldn't answer the question; though I probably wouldn't assume that your kid signed onto the disboards in your name to ask me if Santa was real.

Second, I didn't stop believing in Santa until fifth or sixth grade, I really didn't use the computer until I was in middle school. My mom didn't want me on it a lot at that age. If I was on it it was never the internet, I played a barbie game I had, and a 101 Dalmations game. One year I actually got my letter from Santa on the computer. But most of the time I was outside playing and riding my bike, or with friends playing barbies. At that age, I would never know how to manage the disboards.

If you meant come up to me in person somehow, I would still say no. It's not my place to tell another child that Santa's not real.
 
Well that's a ridiculous question.
First, if you allow your child to use a computer by themselves..I don't think they would come on the disboards and ask that; they'd probably be smart enough to use google. And if you let them use the computer by themselves; then they are probably old enough to know about Santa. And I still wouldn't answer the question; though I probably wouldn't assume that your kid signed onto the disboards in your name to ask me if Santa was real.

Second, I didn't stop believing in Santa until fifth or sixth grade, I really didn't use the computer until I was in middle school. My mom didn't want me on it a lot at that age. If I was on it it was never the internet, I played a barbie game I had, and a 101 Dalmations game. One year I actually got my letter from Santa on the computer. But most of the time I was outside playing and riding my bike, or with friends playing barbies. At that age, I would never know how to manage the disboards.

If you meant come up to me in person somehow, I would still say no. It's not my place to tell another child that Santa's not real.

Exactly! Just like its not my place to tell someone else's child how/where babies come from lol.
 
Oh, just wait until your DS or DD gets into high school and a teacher drops everyone one whole letter grade for the grading period in a class because the teacher got miffed about supposed class behavior on one day. Yeah the teacher in your case probably didn't mean to be insensitive, I'm sure they're just peachy-keen, but really?...Santa's the least of my worries.

*Oh* and this teacher doesn't tell any of the students until after grades come out for the grading period.

Good times I tell ya, good times :crazy2: .
 
I'd go see the teacher and let him tell his side of the story. Then if it matched up remotely to what the child said, I'd chew him a new one. And I say this as a former teacher. Any 4th grade teacher worth his salt can dance around the direct question, "Is Santa real?" To be the one to bring it up and take it upon yourself to "enlighten" a class of kids, many of whom may have still believed in Santa, is inexcusable. It doesn't sound as if the topic had anything to do with the lesson....He just threw it in as an aside when it could have (AND SHOULD HAVE) just as easily been left unsaid. This was a "Teacher, pull your head out of your ***," moment. :rolleyes1

In our town, I'd say the vast majority of 10 year olds still believe in Santa. :santa: Heck, if I'd grown up in this town, I may have believed forever. :rotfl: And why not? For those who say it's time for them to know anyway, I say that is NOT your call. And it most certainly was not this teacher's call. You make the decision regarding your child and I'll deal with mine.

Santa is part of the American culture. This teacher needed to keep his grubby mitts off this aspect of American culture and respect it, whether he agreed with it or not. My child may know that her British friends have Father Christmas and our Russian friends have Grandfather Frost, but they've all got some version of Santa. And St. Nicholas was most certainly real, BTW.

Long story short, it was not his place to take this part of childhood away from these kids. He needs to be made aware of this ASAP before he opens his insensitive yap again. If he did not seem to take my position seriously, then I would take it to the principal. If he wants respect as a teacher, he must respect the areas that are the domain of the parent. Santa is one of those. Stay out of how my family celebrates holidays and do not ruin things for my family, thank you very much.

If some kid bursts my child's bubble, I'll have to live with that. But a teacher is accountable and ought to have more common sense than to blabber on about Santa with an age group that is on the fence regarding Santa. If he doesn't have a clue, hand him one. :headache:
 
Emom said:
I'd go see the teacher and let him tell his side of the story. Then if it matched up remotely to what the child said, I'd chew him a new one
???? You'd do that, especially as a former teacher, rather than have a reasonable conversation pointing out that some children he teaches may still believe this (any given) mythical character actually exists, and that, really, school personnel shouldn't usurp the parents' decision when to introduce the child to the truth?

Really?

Any 4th grade teacher worth his salt can dance around the direct question, "Is Santa real?"
If you read the OP's subsequent posts, the information was actually shared in a discussion about leprechauns. It wasn't in response to a direct question about ANY real or fictional character.

Santa is part of the American culture.
Respectfully, not mine - and I've been American all my life. AND I'm not alone. There are millions of us.
 
???? You'd do that, especially as a former teacher, rather than have a reasonable conversation pointing out that some children he teaches may still believe this (any given) mythical character actually exists, and that, really, school personnel shouldn't usurp the parents' decision when to introduce the child to the truth?

Really?

If you read the OP's subsequent posts, the information was actually shared in a discussion about leprechauns. It wasn't in response to a direct question about ANY real or fictional character.

Respectfully, not mine - and I've been American all my life. AND I'm not alone. There are millions of us.

By pointing out that a teacher with any sense at all could have "danced around a direct question" I was trying to draw attention to the fact that indeed this was NOT even a response to a DIRECT question, which might have momentarily put the teacher on the spot. Nope.....This teacher entered the Santa minefield of his own accord. He chose to bring Santa into the conversation when he could have easily been left out. Fairies might have been safer. Better yet, some superhero. But I'd truly expect any adult who works with children this age to realize that many of them still believe in Santa and be sensitive to that. If he is truly this clueless, then yes, it would seem he needs to be snapped out of it to get the message. Subtlety likely won't work.

Sorry to say, far too many people out there, even in education, think it's their "responsibility" to enlighten children regarding such matters. They think they are doing them a favor. There is a certain smugness to it. Then again, maybe he's just a clueless dolt. In any case, before I left the room, I'd make sure he had a thorough understanding of just how seriously he had overstepped and want reassurance that he would never do it again. I'm not the sweetness and light sort when someone oversteps into my parental zone and brings a large part of our holiday traditions to a screeching halt before it was time simply because they lacked the ability to censor what came out of their mouth. You only get so many years of childhood innocence and that special Christmas morning experience. For some bigmouth to rob me of even one year would put me in a seriously foul mood.

You think that's harsh? Well, I think it's even worse that an adult was so unthinking as to have terminal case of open mouth/insert foot which would wind up screwing up the holidays for a lot of families. Maybe every American family doesn't have Santa as part of their Christmas celebration, but millions do. That should be respected. If he'd gone around yakking that some being/character/person from another culture wasn't real, heads would have rolled. If he had minimized the value of a treasured icon of some other culture besides that of America, parents would be having fits. And rightly so.

Long story short, there was no up side to him opening his mouth and "sharing." There was a significant up side to keeping his mouth shut. It seems that every few months, particularly near Christmas, you hear of some teacher pulling this stunt, often with very young children. I simply cannot believe they can say with a straight face, "Oh, it never dawned on me that I might be destroying a child's belief in Santa." :rolleyes1 Puh-leeze. They know, yet they continue to do it.

So you didn't believe in Santa? Goody for you. That's your right. But my family has a right to celebrate Christmas any way we want and have that respected.

If, when I visited the teacher, he said something like, "Gee, I'm sorry. As soon as I said it, I knew I shouldn't have, but it was too late. I wish I could take it back. I won't ever make that mistake again," that would be another matter. But somehow I don't think that's the case.
 
Rather than go above the teacher's head, it's usually a better idea to go to the teacher first whenever possible.

Call him and let him know that he probably didn't realize it but some 5th graders still believe in Santa and that as a parent, you would rather be the one to tell the truth when the time comes.

Definitely NOT something to go to the principal about.
 
Teachers are NOT allowed to use behavior in factoring grades. Grades must be based on achievement alone. It is illegal to use behavior when computing grades.

Oh, just wait until your DS or DD gets into high school and a teacher drops everyone one whole letter grade for the grading period in a class because the teacher got miffed about supposed class behavior on one day. Yeah the teacher in your case probably didn't mean to be insensitive, I'm sure they're just peachy-keen, but really?...Santa's the least of my worries.

*Oh* and this teacher doesn't tell any of the students until after grades come out for the grading period.

Good times I tell ya, good times :crazy2: .
 
Oh, just wait until your DS or DD gets into high school and a teacher drops everyone one whole letter grade for the grading period in a class because the teacher got miffed about supposed class behavior on one day. Yeah the teacher in your case probably didn't mean to be insensitive, I'm sure they're just peachy-keen, but really?...Santa's the least of my worries.

*Oh* and this teacher doesn't tell any of the students until after grades come out for the grading period.

Good times I tell ya, good times :crazy2: .

Teachers are NOT allowed to use behavior in factoring grades. Grades must be based on achievement alone. It is illegal to use behavior when computing grades.

Really? It's illegal? I guess that might be so, I've never even thought of it. I guess I don't think that classroom behavior *shouldn't* be considered and actually am not against teachers having a participation aspect to their grading (like does the student show up in class, do they participate in discussions, etc...) The cherry on top of this particular sundae is that the teacher in question is capricious in their decisions and also isn't averse to heavily crafting the actual truth, though they did tell the student when the student asked that the quarter grade was dropped to teach the class a lesson...

agnes!
 
If you don't want anyone that your 10 year old child may come in contact with tell them the real story behind Santa Claus, you shold invest in a very large bubble. I am always complaining that schools treat our kids like babies, I mean my 6th grader still has projects that involve crayons, but this thread has shown me exactly why. I honestly can't wrap my brain around someone considering going to see the teacher or even worse the prinicpal over something like this, no matter what age. The whole world doesnt need to keep your secret, its your responsibility to figure out a way to deal with the questions that come up when your child hears the truth, and my goodness if your child is 10 and still believes and you haven't figured out how to dance around it by then, thats your problem.
Also, what about the kids that don't believe in Santa (because the know the truth, or because they don't celebrate), they aren't allowed to be educated because so and so still does believes, thats just ridiculous.
 
If you don't want anyone that your 10 year old child may come in contact with tell them the real story behind Santa Claus, you shold invest in a very large bubble. I am always complaining that schools treat our kids like babies, I mean my 6th grader still has projects that involve crayons, but this thread has shown me exactly why. I honestly can't wrap my brain around someone considering going to see the teacher or even worse the prinicpal over something like this, no matter what age. The whole world doesnt need to keep your secret, its your responsibility to figure out a way to deal with the questions that come up when your child hears the truth, and my goodness if your child is 10 and still believes and you haven't figured out how to dance around it by then, thats your problem.
Also, what about the kids that don't believe in Santa (because the know the truth, or because they don't celebrate), they aren't allowed to be educated because so and so still does believes, thats just ridiculous.

Hey, hey, I resent that statement. In my college-level art classes, crayons were the featured medium in some of the projects/artwork that was being done. :cool2:
 
Yes, I would say something to the teacher. I emailed the librarian when she told my 9yr old DD that nothing at Disney world is real, just people in costumes. And I posted on here about it and people thought I was crazy!

I missed this before and no offense but if my 9 year old (and I have one so I say this with all sincerety) really thought that those charcters we saw at WDW were real, I'd be taking him in for an evaluation :rolleyes1

Hey, hey, I resent that statement. In my college-level art classes, crayons were the featured medium in some of the projects/artwork that was being done. :cool2:

Trust me, these projects are just her teacher taking the easy way out. I still use crayons myself, but when my 6th grader has an ELA book report and 1/4 of it is actual reporting and 3/4 of it is coloring I take issue. It wouldn't be a problen once in awhile, or if it was an actual art project, but every month it gets to be a little much. At that age level, I wish the ELA teacher would focus more on the creative writing aspect and not the creative art aspect. Now, when my 1st grader does it, thats just fine with me :)
 
If you don't want anyone that your 10 year old child may come in contact with tell them the real story behind Santa Claus, you shold invest in a very large bubble. I am always complaining that schools treat our kids like babies, I mean my 6th grader still has projects that involve crayons, but this thread has shown me exactly why. I honestly can't wrap my brain around someone considering going to see the teacher or even worse the prinicpal over something like this, no matter what age. The whole world doesnt need to keep your secret, its your responsibility to figure out a way to deal with the questions that come up when your child hears the truth, and my goodness if your child is 10 and still believes and you haven't figured out how to dance around it by then, thats your problem.
Also, what about the kids that don't believe in Santa (because the know the truth, or because they don't celebrate), they aren't allowed to be educated because so and so still does believes, thats just ridiculous.
I totally agree with this.
 








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