Would you let a principal know if one of her teachers told the kids...

I really can see both sides of the issue. I guess I'm a sucker for still believing in Santa in a certain fashion, but I hope to impart that belief onto my children, and hope they believe in stuff like that for their entire lives.

I'll take some of the suggestions here to heart, though, and I'll remember next time my DD and I make a submarine out of a cardboard box, that I will be sure to tell her it's just a cardboard box...I'd hate to lie to her about it not being a REAL submarine. ;)
 
OP here. I don't think Santa and the Easter Bunny belong at school either. But I disagree with your second thought. Santa and the Easter Bunny shouldn't be "revealed" by a school teacher either.

that is why santa and the easter bunny shouldn't be mentioned at all.

Talk about "Clifford the Big Red Dog" instead. He's much less controversial.
 
that is why santa and the easter bunny shouldn't be mentioned at all.

Talk about "Clifford the Big Red Dog" instead. He's much less controversial.

There's one that's always ticked me starting from the theme song. The apartment in Newark is too small, so we're moving to Martha's Vineyard. That's so wrong. (Of course it's perfectly acceptable that he's mack truck sized dog who speaks English)
 
I keep coming back to what I wrote earlier about some adults (teachers included) having a certain smugness where this issue is concerned. They generally fall into one or more of three categories. (1) They either never believed in Santa or have chosen to not do so with their children and internally (at a minimum) roll their eyes at those of us who do. They truly believe they know better than us and you can pretty much see the condescension dripping from some posts. :snooty: (2) Those who believe Santa is a "lie"......to some extent, they seem to think him an evil, cruel lie perpetrated on innocent children and that Santa is bad, bad, bad. Or as bad as an unreal person can be. :rotfl: They can be a little rabid. (3) Those who believe children who have reached age X are certainly old enough to know the "truth" about Santa and if they do not, then they should....for their own sake......be enlightened as to the truth. Ahhhhh.....The joy of being a do-gooder who crushes a child's happiness. :rotfl2:

Smugness doesn't even do it justice. Often, there is an air of superiority to it. "They" know better than the children and certainly better than we pro-Santa deceptive parents. If we won't snap our kids out of childhood and into the real world of adulthood on their timetable, by God they will do it for us. And they will pat themselves on the back for their efforts. :banana:

Well, no thanks. You teach your kid your traditions and I'll teach mine. I won't shove Santa down your kids' throats and you keep your hands off our Santa, especially if you are a teacher who is teaching a subject that could easily be taught with ZERO mention of whether Santa is real or not. You can assume all you want regarding what percentage of children of what age still believe in Santa, but I promise you it varies from one place to another and your assumptions won't hold true across the board. As I said, in my town the vast majority of 4th graders are still firm believers. There is no freaking harm in that. Here, the elementary school goes until 6th grade and the kids tend to stay kids longer, if only in some ways. Santa is one of them.

As one poster said, Santa is a vital part of the Christmas tradition for many families and almost sacred. Unless a teacher is clueless, he should realize that is the case with MANY Americans and leave the subject alone unless there is an absolute need to address it in the curriculum. And in elementary school.......There isn't. You can say 10 miles away from the subject of "Santa: Myth or Man?" with ease. In simplest form....It is not the place of the teacher to ruin the holidays for so many families. And it wouldn't be appreciated. Some said their principal would be annoyed if a parent came to them with this issue. I beleive ours would be thinking of the teacher, "WTH were you thinking, telling the kids about Santa like that? Now I've got umpteen upset parents calling me, telling me that you've ruined their upcoming holidays and I have to deal with the fallout. Thanks for nothing." But then, she's a mother of young kids. Many of the other teachers are too. I doubt they'd be on his list of supporters either.

My question would be, is he just a clueless yapper or is he one of the smug sort who feels he is doing the kids a favor by enlightening them? Sometimes it's hard to tell. But we can see by the posts here that there are many "enlighteners" out there. Why let a little thing like upsetting children and ruining Christmas for them stand in the way when THE TRUTH and FACTS need to be beaten into them? It's because certain things aren't appropriate at certain ages be they fact or not. Certain issues are the domain of parents until a child reaches a certain age. Traditions are to be respected, not made light of. And above all, a teacher should possess a MINIMUM of sensitivity and think before they open their mouth regarding issues like this. That's just common sense. Discretion is a useful tool. Teaching is not merely about facts....You should know the kids and care about their feelings. If not, you're in the wrong profession.

Again....Would I go to the principal? Well, if he was truly sorry, realized he was messed up and promised to not do it again, maybe not. But after talking to the teacher, if I thought he was a smug enlightener, you bet I would. Enlightening works both ways.

If this thread has done nothing else, it should have taught us that this is a hot button issue and as such, needs to be left alone by teachers of elementary school children due to the potential for emotional harm. But only a person who can see beyond all-important "facts" and also respect emotions and traditions will be able to see that. I don't hold out much hope. :headache: Enlighteners are on a mission, whether anyone wants their "help" or not.
 

Seriously?

  • Virtually enslaves elves, contributes to low self-esteem making them feel that because of their sizes they can't get other jobs; forces them to work around the clock, 364 days a year, for just room and board and uniforms... and keeps them stuck up there at the north pole with no entertainment, no alternatives.
  • Abuses animals AND shows extreme favoritism.
  • Works one night a year.
  • Extortion - recipients of purported 'generosity' are expected to behave a certain way
  • Bribery - same recipients traditional expected to provide Santa Claus with refreshment in exchange for so-called 'gifts' (etiquette note: "gift", by definition, is freely given with no expectation of getting anything in return)
  • Breaking and entering - obtains entry to residences via extremely atypical methods.
  • Discriminates based on religion in direct violation of United States (and, likely, many other countries') laws.
  • Violates speed limits regularly.

THIS is your "cute and innocent" figure?

The pathetic thing about this is that while some read this list and saw the humor, the enlighteners were probably (for a brief moment) cheering in solidarity for a fellow enlightnened mind who saw and spoke THE TRUTH. :lmao:
 
The pathetic thing about this is that while some read this list and saw the humor, the enlighteners were probably (for a brief moment) cheering in solidarity for a fellow enlightnened mind who saw and spoke THE TRUTH. :lmao:


I am an "enlightener" for my children.

Perhaps you think I am evil, but... when my daughter asked "is the tooth fairy real ?... is mickey mouse real? ... So then is God and Jesus real?"

Mickey Mouse...no, cute character... makes us happy.

Tooth Fairy...not real... but it makes you feel better about losing a tooth.

Santa Claus...based on a real person who did good works and parents continue in his honor and spirit.

Jesus and God... very real.
 
I keep coming back to what I wrote earlier about some adults (teachers included) having a certain smugness where this issue is concerned. They generally fall into one or more of three categories. (1) They either never believed in Santa or have chosen to not do so with their children and internally (at a minimum) roll their eyes at those of us who do. They truly believe they know better than us and you can pretty much see the condescension dripping from some posts. :snooty: (2) Those who believe Santa is a "lie"......to some extent, they seem to think him an evil, cruel lie perpetrated on innocent children and that Santa is bad, bad, bad. Or as bad as an unreal person can be. :rotfl: They can be a little rabid. (3) Those who believe children who have reached age X are certainly old enough to know the "truth" about Santa and if they do not, then they should....for their own sake......be enlightened as to the truth. Ahhhhh.....The joy of being a do-gooder who crushes a child's happiness. :rotfl2:

Smugness doesn't even do it justice. Often, there is an air of superiority to it. "They" know better than the children and certainly better than we pro-Santa deceptive parents. If we won't snap our kids out of childhood and into the real world of adulthood on their timetable, by God they will do it for us. And they will pat themselves on the back for their efforts. :banana:

Well, no thanks. You teach your kid your traditions and I'll teach mine. I won't shove Santa down your kids' throats and you keep your hands off our Santa, especially if you are a teacher who is teaching a subject that could easily be taught with ZERO mention of whether Santa is real or not. You can assume all you want regarding what percentage of children of what age still believe in Santa, but I promise you it varies from one place to another and your assumptions won't hold true across the board. As I said, in my town the vast majority of 4th graders are still firm believers. There is no freaking harm in that. Here, the elementary school goes until 6th grade and the kids tend to stay kids longer, if only in some ways. Santa is one of them.

As one poster said, Santa is a vital part of the Christmas tradition for many families and almost sacred. Unless a teacher is clueless, he should realize that is the case with MANY Americans and leave the subject alone unless there is an absolute need to address it in the curriculum. And in elementary school.......There isn't. You can say 10 miles away from the subject of "Santa: Myth or Man?" with ease. In simplest form....It is not the place of the teacher to ruin the holidays for so many families. And it wouldn't be appreciated. Some said their principal would be annoyed if a parent came to them with this issue. I beleive ours would be thinking of the teacher, "WTH were you thinking, telling the kids about Santa like that? Now I've got umpteen upset parents calling me, telling me that you've ruined their upcoming holidays and I have to deal with the fallout. Thanks for nothing." But then, she's a mother of young kids. Many of the other teachers are too. I doubt they'd be on his list of supporters either.

My question would be, is he just a clueless yapper or is he one of the smug sort who feels he is doing the kids a favor by enlightening them? Sometimes it's hard to tell. But we can see by the posts here that there are many "enlighteners" out there. Why let a little thing like upsetting children and ruining Christmas for them stand in the way when THE TRUTH and FACTS need to be beaten into them? It's because certain things aren't appropriate at certain ages be they fact or not. Certain issues are the domain of parents until a child reaches a certain age. Traditions are to be respected, not made light of. And above all, a teacher should possess a MINIMUM of sensitivity and think before they open their mouth regarding issues like this. That's just common sense. Discretion is a useful tool. Teaching is not merely about facts....You should know the kids and care about their feelings. If not, you're in the wrong profession.

Again....Would I go to the principal? Well, if he was truly sorry, realized he was messed up and promised to not do it again, maybe not. But after talking to the teacher, if I thought he was a smug enlightener, you bet I would. Enlightening works both ways.

If this thread has done nothing else, it should have taught us that this is a hot button issue and as such, needs to be left alone by teachers of elementary school children due to the potential for emotional harm. But only a person who can see beyond all-important "facts" and also respect emotions and traditions will be able to see that. I don't hold out much hope. :headache: Enlighteners are on a mission, whether anyone wants their "help" or not.

:worship: :thumbsup2
 
I am an "enlightener" for my children.

Perhaps you think I am evil, but... when my daughter asked "is the tooth fairy real ?... is mickey mouse real? ... So then is God and Jesus real?"

Mickey Mouse...no, cute character... makes us happy.

Tooth Fairy...not real... but it makes you feel better about losing a tooth.

Santa Claus...based on a real person who did good works and parents continue in his honor and spirit.

Jesus and God... very real.

That is fine for you but it does not make you a better parent to your children, a better believer ni Jesus and God nor a better Christian that those of us that choose not to be "enlighteners".

My children were able to enjoy these little fantasies of childhood and still know all there is to know about Jesus. You chose a different way and that is fine. But it shouldn't be up to your child's teacher to tell them which of these are and are not real.
 
Emom said:
My question would be, is he just a clueless yapper or is he one of the smug sort who feels he is doing the kids a favor by enlightening them? Sometimes it's hard to tell. But we can see by the posts here that there are many "enlighteners" out there.
He's neither. Despite the OP's biased opinion of him, it's hard to believe he's a 'clueless yapper'. In connection with St. Patrick's (real person) Day, he was explaining that leprechauns aren't real (true) like [another well-known-to-children] fictional yet out of season character, Santa Claus.
Don't think he's one of your percieved 'enlighteners', either. He was just holding a classs and using a second fictional character to enforce his example of leprechauns not being real. Heck, it's not as if he used the upcoming Easter Bunny!

Again....Would I go to the principal? Well, if he was truly sorry, realized he was messed up and promised to not do it again, maybe not. But after talking to the teacher, if I thought he was a smug enlightener, you bet I would. Enlightening works both ways.
Truly sorry for what? Realized he messed up what? Promised not to do what again - teach???
IT WAS A FEW WORDS DURING A CLASS, not an entire lesson on "there's no such thing as Santa"!!! Oh, and let's not forget - this happened a month ago. While, yes, it's bothered the OP's daughter this long... there apparently ISN'T going to be any march on the principal's office, or any storm of parents complaining; nothing TO discuss with the principal friend. Most likely, by now, everybody except the OP's daughter has forgotten the incident.

And I still don't get this 'smug enlightener' sobirquet :confused3. I really don't. "By ten, children should know Santa isn't real" doesn't in ANY way mean "I'm going to tell all ten year olds there's no such thing as Santa and they're too old to believe".

It just means we don't see the tragedy in a few words in a class lesson. And to those who say Santa shouldn't be mentioned in a music class? Really? So, no Christmas Carols? No seasonal songs in December? Interesting...
 
The pathetic thing about this is that while some read this list and saw the humor, the enlighteners were probably (for a brief moment) cheering in solidarity for a fellow enlightnened mind who saw and spoke THE TRUTH. :lmao:
I resent this response. I'm not an 'enlightener'. I don't care if your kids grow to adulthood believing in Santa Claus. Truly. They're your kids and your business. What offends me is the OP's assessment of the teacher's personality and how it seems to be coloring her attitude and the actions she'd been considering.

It's been over a month since "that" class. It seems if any other parents were concerned, the principal would have heard from at least one of them by now. Let it go.

I also disagree with your assessment of my post you quoted. ALL reactions to this point have either been that it's hilarious, or horror that I might be serious (and I've explained to that person that I wasn't).
 
I am an "enlightener" for my children.

Perhaps you think I am evil, but... when my daughter asked "is the tooth fairy real ?... is mickey mouse real? ... So then is God and Jesus real?"

Mickey Mouse...no, cute character... makes us happy.

Tooth Fairy...not real... but it makes you feel better about losing a tooth.

Santa Claus...based on a real person who did good works and parents continue in his honor and spirit.

Jesus and God... very real.

There are many people who would not agree with you on this
 
He's neither. Despite the OP's biased opinion of him, it's hard to believe he's a 'clueless yapper'. In connection with St. Patrick's (real person) Day, he was explaining that leprechauns aren't real (true) like [another well-known-to-children] fictional yet out of season character, Santa Claus.
Don't think he's one of your percieved 'enlighteners', either. He was just holding a classs and using a second fictional character to enforce his example of leprechauns not being real. Heck, it's not as if he used the upcoming Easter Bunny!

Truly sorry for what? Realized he messed up what? Promised not to do what again - teach???
IT WAS A FEW WORDS DURING A CLASS, not an entire lesson on "there's no such thing as Santa"!!! Oh, and let's not forget - this happened a month ago. While, yes, it's bothered the OP's daughter this long... there apparently ISN'T going to be any march on the principal's office, or any storm of parents complaining; nothing TO discuss with the principal friend. Most likely, by now, everybody except the OP's daughter has forgotten the incident.

And I still don't get this 'smug enlightener' sobirquet :confused3. I really don't. "By ten, children should know Santa isn't real" doesn't in ANY way mean "I'm going to tell all ten year olds there's no such thing as Santa and they're too old to believe".

It just means we don't see the tragedy in a few words in a class lesson. And to those who say Santa shouldn't be mentioned in a music class? Really? So, no Christmas Carols? No seasonal songs in December? Interesting...[/QUOTE]


I don't think anyone said it was a tragedy. And can you not sing a Christmas carol without saying "oh, yeah, and Santa isn't real"? Really?

As has been said, he could have easily had a lesson about mythological beings without mentioning Santa. If he can't, then he should not be teaching the lesson.

I think he very well could be just a clueless or mindless yapper. He came back with "You all do know that Santa isn't real, don't you" as though he may have either thought better of what he said and wanted reassurance that he hadn't spilt the beans or did indeed think of himself as an "enlightner".
 
Well, actually what apparently happened is
It does sound like he was discussing the origins of the myth - according to DD, it was on St. Patrick's Day when he discussed the myth of the leprechaun and he said "Just like St. Nick and Santa - you know he's not real?"
Now, he wasn't 100% correct because St. Nicholas IS real. But in general, Santa is a much more relevant and widely-known mythical character than, say, doppelgänger, behemoth, kraken, etc. He simply opted for a widely-known myth. Heck, if he's as dense and unimaginitive as the OP claims, he probably doesn't know any other comparisons.
 
I am an "enlightener" for my children.

Perhaps you think I am evil, but... when my daughter asked "is the tooth fairy real ?... is mickey mouse real? ... So then is God and Jesus real?"

Mickey Mouse...no, cute character... makes us happy.

Tooth Fairy...not real... but it makes you feel better about losing a tooth.

Santa Claus...based on a real person who did good works and parents continue in his honor and spirit.

Jesus and God... very real.

agree with all until the last----that would be me enlightening my child that it is a MYTH.
 
I resent this response. I'm not an 'enlightener'. I don't care if your kids grow to adulthood believing in Santa Claus. Truly. They're your kids and your business. What offends me is the OP's assessment of the teacher's personality and how it seems to be coloring her attitude and the actions she'd been considering.

It's been over a month since "that" class. It seems if any other parents were concerned, the principal would have heard from at least one of them by now. Let it go.

I also disagree with your assessment of my post you quoted. ALL reactions to this point have either been that it's hilarious, or horror that I might be serious (and I've explained to that person that I wasn't).

Something must have gotten lost in translation, because I never for one moment meant to imply that your list was anything BUT humorous. It was so over the top that I took it as such, even before your explanation. But I stand by my statement that some of the more rabid anti-Santa folk out there could very well read your list and instead of seeing the humor, see it as being written by someone who indeed saw the bigger picture, the way the other enlightened ones do. What is humor to some may seem like the sober truth to others. All in the eye of the beholder.

For some of them.....and I do not mean you...you'd think Santa stole their stockings instead of filling them. Apparently, even letting him exist to others is too much for some to allow. They truly seem to hold a grudge against a person they swear does not exist and that's just twisted. :lmao: What did Santa ever do to them? :santa:

I apologize if you thought I was saying you were some sort of enlightened crusader because of that list. It never entered my mind.
 
To the OP. If I were in your shoes I would talk to the principal but approach it from a lighter perspective. Rather than expressing anger or wanting the teacher reprimanded (which it does not seem you are) I would say "hey just wanted you to know this. Maybe he doesn't know that a lot of these kids still believe. Would you mind saying something to him. With all kids stopping to believe at different ages, I can understand how even if he did have kids he might assume 1o year olds don't believe."
 


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