Would you consider an amendment to allow Arnold to run for president?

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Originally posted by poohandwendy
Gee, did I miss something? Was AS investigated for sexual harassment and proceed to lie about his actions when directly asked under oath? If not, your point is completely moot...
Nice try, but as usual it ignores the basic question. Both men are womanizers. That's a fact. The Republicans villify one man and laud the other. All these attempts to side-step the issue are quite humorous, but they ignore the basic problem: it is completely and utterly hypocritical to do this and there is no way to justify it.

But please do continue to try... the entertainment value alone is, as they say on the MasterCard commercials... PRICELESS! :laughing:
 
Originally posted by Fizban257
My answer doesn't ignore anything; the answer for the Republicans is the same as the answer for the Democrats regarding Clinton. NOW supported Clinton, regardless of his actions because of popularity and his policies. Some Republicans support Schwarzteneger despite his past, because of his popularity and policies. If a Republican President got it on with a young intern in the Oval Office, NOW would be all over him. They helped run Sneator Packwood out of office, but fought to keep Clinton in. To quote you: the Democratic party made "a hero and" president "out of one of their members whose behavior is quite similar to someone they vilify." Talk about your "blind eye toward hypocrisy evidenced by some."
:laughing: Your continued attempts to justify the unjustifiable are very amusing. So, your argument boils down to this: they did it first? :laughing: That bucket just won't carry the water.
 
Originally posted by Abracadabra
The point is hypocrisy. One womanizer is demonized by Republicans while another is practically worshipped as a hero. Now there is talk of amending the U.S. Constitution to allow Arnold to run for president. :rolleyes:

That's the point.
 
Nice try, but as usual it ignores the basic question. Both men are womanizers. That's a fact. The Republicans villify one man and laud the other. All these attempts to side-step the issue are quite humorous, but they ignore the basic problem: it is completely and utterly hypocritical to do this and there is no way to justify it.
Perhaps you don't understand, very few republicans (that I know) care that Clinton was a womanizer. Most people I know villify Clinton for lying under oath and not owning up to his 'indiscretions'' when he was DIRECTLY asked. I wouldn't care if those actions didn't have to do with sex. He disgraced our country by by LYING to the american public and prolonging the judicial process by doing so...

I am sure it fits your narrowminded agenda to categorize 'republicans' as having the same judgemental, hypocritical opinion you paint us with....but sorry, it just isn't true.
But please do continue to try... the entertainment value alone is, as they say on the MasterCard commercials... PRICELESS!
Honestly, this remark is nothing but juvenile. And it certainly doesn't offer anything productive to the discussion.
 

Originally posted by Abracadabra
:laughing: Your continued attempts to justify the unjustifiable are very amusing. So, your argument boils down to this: they did it first? :laughing: That bucket just won't carry the water.
I'll try this one more time. The justification for Republicans' support of Schwartzenegger is the same as the justification for Democrats' support for Clinton: political expedience. In both cases the man's actions should disqualify him from receiving support, but his potential to forward their favored agenda leads both groups to overlook their normal objections. Hypocritical? Sure! Justifiable? Yes, I just explained the justification: political expendeince.

You're engaged in some sort of "gotcha" maneuver to prove Republicans are hypocrites. Well, I conceeded that point four posts ago when I pointed out that both sides are guilty of the same thing. It doesn't make either side right, but you seem incapable of seeing the log in your eye as you remove the mote from mine.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
You know Kendra, what you said is still posted and it's really easy to go back and prove what you claim you said and what you really said aren't the same at all.

What you said was this:

That's hardly the same as your new and improved version.

It's close enough for me. However, please be sure to take the one you find more offensive to be the one I mean.

I think the idea that being "discreet" while committing adultery somehow makes it less offensive, is hypocritical. That's a comment on the point of view, not the person.

You may think whatever you'd like. My point was yes, in my opinion Clinton is and was morally corrupt for actually committing adultery over and over again.

In addition to this, however, he did it and attempted to do it in such a way that it was inevitable that the public would find out. If you really need me to elaborate--I'm pretty certain the meaning of my post was clear--I personally think adultery is morally wrong. However, some people do it whether they believe it to be morally wrong (in which case they're hypocrites) or not morally wrong. Some people do it, I suppose, with the approval of their spouse.

However, it's my opinion one shouldn't commit any infidelities. I do think it would make sense if those that don't agree with me, especially if they are the President, should at least attempt to be somewhat discreet--so that it remains a private matter and so that he doesn't look quite like the pig many now think he is.

This doesn't change his character, Peachgirl. Being discreet doesn't lessen the act--not by any means. Discreet or not, the man lacks moral fiber. Being discreet means he had at least the sense to understand that much of the public--if they discovered his adulterous pattern-- might find him to be repugnant. One might think that he would have considered that result if he cared about what much of the public might think.

Your problem is you can't seem to take anyone disagreeing with what you say and when they do, you take it as a personal insult and think it's perfectly fine to start attacking them with your snide remarks.

Thank you for telling me what my problem is. My problem, however, isn't someone disagreeing with me, it's implying hypocrisy where there is none and taking some of my statements out of context. You have done both of these things before. My statement about having to re-explain something to you--however I said it--is really a minor point compared to you calling my posts "pure drivel". You then pretend you are disagreeing with what I am saying, and not personally attacking. Let me be clear: In my opinion, you are dishonest and conniving. Calling my posts "pure drivel" is an insult to my character, although you claim it to be something else. Since many of these political posts get very serious and heated, these posts and thoughts are somewhat representative of character. Your posts, I believe, are representative of your character (which, btw, leads me to believe your true character to be unpleasant, unkind and dishonest). I believe you know this to be true, yet you continue to feign both innocence and victimhood status.

When you do that to me, I'm going to respond in kind. Btw, how many times are you going to leave before you actually do?

As history has shown you continue to quote comments out of context and make statements about them implying hypocrisy on my part, I will most likely continue to call you on it. When you continue to insult me--by calling my posts "pure drivel" while claiming you are just disagreeing with my post, I will most likely continue to call you on that, too.
 
Oh, puhleeze! I live in California - he ain't THAT great! (forgive me, but I didn't read the pages & pages of this thread)

To answer the OP's question: NO!
 
yeah right!:rolleyes:

You guys and your amendments. Leave the Constitution alone.
We have plenty of natural born citizens willing to run, good and
bad.

AHHHnold is such a pig! I can't imagine that you all were
so taken in by his speech about himself. He's an actor you guys-
he's paid loads of money to play parts just like Reagan was and
did. Reagan even acted over his Alzheimers to get elected the
second time. AHHnold could be anyone he wants to be and convince you of anything by just saying what you need to hear.
He's an expert.

Now John McCain-there was a speech and there's a true American hero. No need to court Ahhnold with guys like
McCain in your party, eh?
 
I think it's okay to consider, but I'm not sure if I would approve it or not.

I think, perhaps being a citizen for 35 years would suffice, since Presidents have to be 35 to run...
 
Originally posted by poohandwendy
Gee, did I miss something? Was AS investigated for sexual harassment and proceed to lie about his actions when directly asked under oath? If not, your point is completely moot...

No investigation necessary. He freely admitted it and asked
to be forgiven by the women he had offended.
 
To answer the OP - No, no amendment. I just keep remembering Sly Stallone's movie - Demolition Man when they mentioned an amendment had been passed and Arnold had been President - we can't make Sly right ;)
 
Originally posted by Fizban257
The modern Republican Party has an open door and a big tent, which leads to a wide diversity of opinion. The platform of the party does take a stand on the issues of the day that reflects the majority of the party. But, unlike the Democrats, the Republicans do not silence their minority members. Rather than fume over the Republicans and term their convention a masquerade, perhaps you should direct some of your anger at the Democrats and their silencing of all dissent. Allowing pro-abortion Republican speakers at the convention should be lauded. Not every single Democrat in the entire country is pro-abortion; why was there not even a single pro-life speaker allowed at their convention? Would such a speaker possibly be shouted down? Are the Democrats not equally attempting to hide their radical-left fringe from the moderate undecided voters?


You guys have an open door alright and wacko supposed
democrat-ha-Zell Miller snuk right in. That is going to be a
funny speech. And before you ask-yep, we attempted to hide
this right wing fringe democrat(Zell). None of us like him-you can
have him and David Duke while you're at it.
Speaking of dissent-we democrats showed you how we dissent
in a big way on Sunday. We will continue to dissent until we
get that compassionate man out of office.
 
I would support an admendent for naturalized citizens to run for President. The notion that a President needs to be American born always seem silly to me, since the U.S. is pretty much a nation of immigrants. But I wouldn't do it for just Arnold...it has to be open to everyone.

You know, the office of the President has the lowest requirements -- you have to be 35 year old or older and born in the U.S. That means a lot of people can run, but people would expect a lot more from a President.
 
Originally posted by Kendra17

"..... be sure to take the one you find more offensive to be the one I mean."

"In my opinion, you are dishonest and conniving."

"your true character to be unpleasant, unkind and dishonest"

And then you say.....

" you continue to insult me"


I doubt there's anything I could say that would define you any better than you have done with your own words.
 
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