women wearing hats during the Anthem

[Scurvy]

I completely disagree - women do not need to remove hats (no special rules for casual hats vs dressy hats) Gender is the only defining criteria to the etiquette rule.

I am very patriotic, grew up in a military family and pay all appropriate respect to symbols of our country. I do not remove my baseball hat during national anthem at a game because I do not need to. It is not disrepectful for a female to leave on a baseball at in a restaurant, during the national anthem.


Christine

Eitquette expert Emily Post would be very surprised to hear this. http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/05/hats-off-sometimes-that-can-mean-ladies-too/

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

as long as you are being quiet and respectful of others, I could personally care less. It is the constant chattering that bugs me. If people could just shut their mouths for the minute or two it takes, I would be very happy. Others hats don't even register with me.

Concentrate on the moment at hand and concern yourself less with others - if you aren't fully in the solemn and meaningful moment and are instead scanning the crowd for hat wearers (gasp!!!!) then you are being just as disrespectful. Just IMHO!

 

[FireDancer]

I knew I liked you, FireDancer.

Aw shucks

 

[catycatcat4]

It is, you should take your hat off.

Its just a hat!

What if I don't have arms?

Seriously, get over it.

"Because we've always done it that way" is one of the crappiest reasons to do anything. If we always did what we've always done, we'd still have slavery and women would not be able to own property or vote.

Agree

I didn't say I don't care about the flag or our country. I said I don't care what the heck other people do with the covering for their head. I am not going to nanny other people into standing, putting their hand on their heart, and removing their hat if they don't want. I don't care.

There are so many examples of people telling other people what they "should" do. Don't hang you laundry in the yard, don't wear a hat indoors. Don't put a fence up around your property. There are threads full of people trying to tell other people what thy should or shouldn't do. We should just worry about ourselves and let other people do what they want provided they aren't breaking any laws.



. "Because we always did it that way" is one of the stupidest reasons to do anything. Especially when it stems from the way knights saluted each other hundreds of years ago. I also love how after women fought for equal rights they have different hat rules, how the heck does that make sense.

I stand for the national anthem and I haven't worn a hat in years so I never have one on. If someone else wants to sit there with his hat pulled down and arms crossed I don't care. I am not going to tell another grown adult or child I didn't father what to do. I just worry about me.

I don't agree with doing things because thats the way they have always been done as an excuse



in the 60's Abbie Hoffman was arrested for wearing a shirt that looked like the American Flag and by the early 90's that guy who sings Proud To Be an American was wearing a very similar flag shirt and it was considered patriotic. Now there are tons of people wearing flag shirts coats hats etc. Should that not have changed either should those people wearing the flag shirts all be arrested? because thats the way it WAS back in the day.

agree X2



its the all most 2010 not 1950!
Who cares its just a hat! A hat! It wont hurt any one to keep it on or take it of just do witch ever you prefer and mind your own.
Also i think its silly to respect a flag! its an object!
And HOLY COW! We are arguing over a hat!

 

[Scurvy]

its the all most 2010 not 1950!
Who cares its just a hat! A hat! It wont hurt any one to keep it on or take it of just do witch ever you prefer and mind your own.
Also i think its silly to respect a flag! its an object!
And HOLY COW! We are arguing over a hat!

To many people it isn't just an object, it's also a symbol of their country. That is the purpose of the US flag, after all.
Many (most?) people feel that it deserves to be treated with respect because of that symbolism.

 

[DancingBear]

Also i think its silly to respect a flag! its an object!

If it were just "an object," Francis Scott Key would not have been looking for it flying over Fort McHenry from the deck of a British prison ship, Parisians would not have been waiving it to celebrate their liberation from Hitler, Gregory Johnson would not have been burning it during the 1984 Republican National Convention....

 

[shrubber]

The U.S. Flag Code, first published in 1923 and adopted by Congress in 1942, is based on the belief that the American flag “represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.” It proscribes any use of the flag that could be construed as disrespectful, including using it for advertising and to decorate clothing and other goods. While the U.S. Supreme Court struck down flag-protection laws as violations of free speech in 1989, the Flag Code is still maintained as a code of etiquette, enforced not by law but by tradition.

 

[shrubber]

US Flag Code


4 USC Sec. 9 01/05/2009

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 4 - FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES
CHAPTER 1 - THE FLAG

-HEAD-
Sec. 9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag

-STATUTE-
During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the
flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in
uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed
Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render
the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag
and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if
applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold
it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of
other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct
toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment
the flag passes.

-SOURCE-
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, Sec. 2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1498;
Pub. L. 110-181, div. A, title V, Sec. 594, Jan. 28, 2008, 122
Stat. 138.)

Bolding mine

 

[Planogirl]

The bottom line is that people can disapprove all they wish but people will do what they want and legally can.

 

[shrubber]

The bottom line is that people can disapprove all they wish but people will do what they want and legally can.

Yes, unfortunately people have the legal right to be featherbrained, and we reserve the right to call them on it

 

[MomofSixinSC]

Women are also "allowed" to wear hats in church. Men are not. I don't know the origin of this social practice.

It is from the Bible. I Corinthians 11:4-6 reads: "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head." This is why men remove thheir hats to show respect and women cover theirs.

 

[Pluto 2]

Someone still on active duty could be out of uniform. So, they salute (even when out of uniform) to distinguish them as someone serving our country?

since when did this start? you do not salute the flag when out of uniform

 

[AustinTink]

I didn't say I don't care about the flag or our country. I said I don't care what the heck other people do with the covering for their head. I am not going to nanny other people into standing, putting their hand on their heart, and removing their hat if they don't want. I don't care.

There are so many examples of people telling other people what they "should" do. Don't hang you laundry in the yard, don't wear a hat indoors. Don't put a fence up around your property. There are threads full of people trying to tell other people what thy should or shouldn't do. We should just worry about ourselves and let other people do what they want provided they aren't breaking any laws.

Well said.