women wearing hats during the Anthem

[shortbun]

Women cover their heads out of respect and men take their hats off. Women cover because old school: a woman's hair is her crowning glory and nothing should take precedent over the flag.

 

[C.Ann]

Hmmm.. Never really thought about it.. There are definitely places and times where men "should" remove their hats, but don't always..

Interesting topic..

 

[DisMN]

......2) female hair as an object of lust (and thus temptation) has been a theme in religious texts nearly since the beginning of time. It has always been seen as MORE respectful for a woman to keep her hair covered in mixed company, so as not to stir lust in some other woman's husband or son.

As a woman this is always my problem too. I just seem to inspire lust wherever I go!!

 

[DisMN]

Well, there actually is a written law concerning this, to wit:

Section 1: Definition: “Hat” includes any object worn on the top of the head, whether for comfort or style, and may include scarves, headbands, or dead animals. Live animals are not considered headgear.

Section 2: Law: During any rendition of the National Anthem of the United States of America, whether said rendition is played by a live orchestra, high school or college band, washed-up rock n’ roll bands, phonographic means (including compact discs and versions ripped off the old Naptser site) or other means, up to and including kazoos, and also regardless of whether there is a live singer or singers (save and except said singer is Barbra Streisand in which case all people shall simply stare in awe), or simply words bouncing across the digital scoreboard, and regardless of whether fireworks are shot off either before, during or after said rendition, then all people in said Stadium or other like structure, including but not limited to baseball diamonds, football rectangles or soccer quadrangles, shall remove his or her hat (see definition above) or other such head covering, for so long as said National Anthem is played, save for those times when the National Anthem is being sung by an ‘artist’ with ‘soul’ whom insists on dragging out said National Anthem to silly and/or abnormal lengths, in which case people may restore their head garment to the top of his or her head and resume social activities including but not limited to consumption of adult beverages.

A violation of this law shall subject the offender to repeated exposure to the singing of said National Anthem by Roseanne Barr.

 

[Boxley]

As a woman this is always my problem too. I just seem to inspire lust wherever I go!!

My hair has the aura of Marilyn Monroe, Ava Gardner and every lusty corset wench on a Harlequinn novel, men just stare at my luscious brown locks and wipe their mouths over the mere strands of my hair and oh man, I don't even want to say what happens when I have it pulled back in a tropical colored scrunchie.

In all seriousness, women with fancy hats do not don them off, women with baseball hats, take them off.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Well, there actually is a written law concerning this, to wit:

Section 1: Definition: “Hat” includes any object worn on the top of the head, whether for comfort or style, and may include scarves, headbands, or dead animals. Live animals are not considered headgear.

Section 2: Law: During any rendition of the National Anthem of the United States of America, whether said rendition is played by a live orchestra, high school or college band, washed-up rock n’ roll bands, phonographic means (including compact discs and versions ripped off the old Naptser site) or other means, up to and including kazoos, and also regardless of whether there is a live singer or singers (save and except said singer is Barbra Streisand in which case all people shall simply stare in awe), or simply words bouncing across the digital scoreboard, and regardless of whether fireworks are shot off either before, during or after said rendition, then all people in said Stadium or other like structure, including but not limited to baseball diamonds, football rectangles or soccer quadrangles, shall remove his or her hat (see definition above) or other such head covering, for so long as said National Anthem is played, save for those times when the National Anthem is being sung by an ‘artist’ with ‘soul’ whom insists on dragging out said National Anthem to silly and/or abnormal lengths, in which case people may restore their head garment to the top of his or her head and resume social activities including but not limited to consumption of adult beverages.

A violation of this law shall subject the offender to repeated exposure to the singing of said National Anthem by Roseanne Barr.

YES!!! If I am interpreting this correctly, I may leave my live possum on my head during the national anthem, is that right?



Seriously though, at the sporting events I most often attend, they also say "gentlemen, remove your hats". But since most women now wear the same types of hats as men at sporting events, I think they should remove them, too. I don't wear ballcaps much, but if I have one on, I take it off, ponytail through the back or not. I don't think anyone is looking at my hat hair, they are looking at the flag.

The origins of removing a hat to show respect may not apply anymore, but it's still a social custom and says something about the manners of the person who is or is not doing it. I've similarly read that the origins of the handshake were to show that the person was not hiding weapons in his sleeve. I don't think too many people are worried about that anymore, in situations where handshakes are the norm, but we still shake hands as a show of respect to the person we are meeting. (Though the spread of germs is becoming a concern WRT the handshake.)

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

You must be in the 30 or under group. You don't see the need to stand, take your hat off and show respect for your country. Too bad...

Please do not paint all of us with a broad brush. I am in the under 30 group and always stand for the pledge and anthem. I also *gasp*, open doors for others regardless of who they are, (even had an old man refuse because I was a lady), wait until everyone is served, etc. Many of my friends do too.

 

[alexandria674]

You must be in the 30 or under group. You don't see the need to stand, take your hat off and show respect for your country. Too bad...

I think that is overgeneralizing those who are under 30. I am twenty-three and I was always taught to not only be courteous to others but to show respect for my country. I do take off my baseball cap during the pledge and to hold at least the rudimentary standards of being courteous if not the best I can.

 

[shrubber]

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


yeah, ya better take your hat off for that, or I'll politely remind you.

 

[DizBelle]

If you are in uniform, you leave your cover (hat) on during flag ceremonies.

Either hat on or hat off. You can't have it be ok for some and not for others.

 

[DizBelle]

You must be in the 30 or under group. You don't see the need to stand, take your hat off and show respect for your country. Too bad...

Nope, well over 30.

 

[shrubber]

Either hat on or hat off. You can't have it be ok for some and not for others.

What?
If you are in uniform,military or civil service, or organizations like Boy Scouts, you leave your cover on and salute. If you are out of uniform or a civilian, you uncover and place your right hand over your heart.

 

[DizBelle]

Agreed, but I also don't believe that "individual freedom" should trump long-held practices of civility. Taking off your hat has signified respect for centuries and acknowledges what is in one's heart.

Personally, I think that the loss of these small civilities has had a detrimental effect on social interaction as a whole. Don't take off your hat indoors, don't offer your seat to the elderly or infirm, don't modulate the volume of your voice for those around you, don't watch your language - it's not always the best choice for the individual to be placed before the group.

"Because we've always done it that way" is one of the crappiest reasons to do anything. If we always did what we've always done, we'd still have slavery and women would not be able to own property or vote.

No one has yet answered my question. What is so disrespectful about a covered head? What is respectful about an uncovered head? What makes one better than the other? If I encounter someone wearing a hat, does that mean they are being disrespectful to me? They are wearing a hat after all...

 

[DizBelle]

What?
If you are in uniform,military or civil service, or organizations like Boy Scouts, you leave your cover on and salute. If you are out of uniform or a civilian, you uncover and place your right hand over your heart.

Then why can't everyone leave their hat on and salute?

 

[shrubber]

"Because we've always done it that way" is one of the crappiest reasons to do anything. If we always did what we've always done, we'd still have slavery and women would not be able to own property or vote.

No one has yet answered my question. What is so disrespectful about a covered head? What is respectful about an uncovered head? What makes one better than the other? If I encounter someone wearing a hat, does that mean they are being disrespectful to me? They are wearing a hat after all...

Why, pray tell would you be against showing the flag respect by removing your hat? Simply to say 'I don't understand why it's neccesary or relevant' is hardly a logical stance.
As someone posted earlier, handshakes are no longer 'relevant' to their original intent, however, as with removing your cap, it has become socially expected and the norm.

 

[shrubber]

Then why can't everyone leave their hat on and salute?

To distinguish between those serving their country and those that are citizens.

 

[DizBelle]

To distinguish between those serving their country and those that are citizens.

Someone still on active duty could be out of uniform. So, they salute (even when out of uniform) to distinguish them as someone serving our country?

 

[shrubber]

Someone still on active duty could be out of uniform. So, they salute (even when out of uniform) to distinguish them as someone serving our country?

If you are active military, and out of uniform, you do not salute ( the flag )
A veteran, however, may salute, even if in civilian clothes.

 

[RF536]

Those of you who are questioning why you have to remove you hat, just because it is expected and the social norm, do you shake with your right hand? I mean after all there is no law that states what hand we shake with, it is just the social norm that we shake with our right hand. While I agree it is not always a good idea to blindly follow things simply because that is how it was always done, sometimes it is the correct thing to do, when it comes to matters of respect or when doing so is not harmful to others.

You can hardly compare removing your hat as a sign of respect to the flag, to slavery or the opression of women. Removing your hat hurts no one, where the other 2 were doing great harm to these groups of people.

 

[RF536]

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