Woman was fired because of her little kids

[jrmasm]

^So who is a better example? I'm sure there are many examples, sort of weird the employer/employee dilemma is so quiet.

When I read the article it was interesting, not in a lasting way but just sort of a hmmmm, boss is a jerk, sort of way. Then the comments ended up being way more curious than the article itself because the vitriol was unexpected so that's that. Wasn't looking for a poster child, if so I guess you are right there would have been better options because of the blogging, didn't know that was the kiss ofdeath but I guess it means no-one who blogs is credible.

Still, this issue of parents and kids isn't likely to go away, do bosses bend or do we make room for lots of unemployed families in our state budgets. People either have jobs within the household or they end up on some sort of support, it's binary

^So who is a better example? I'm sure there are many examples, sort of weird the employer/employee dilemma is so quiet.

When I read the article it was interesting, not in a lasting way but just sort of a hmmmm, boss is a jerk, sort of way. Then the comments ended up being way more curious than the article itself because the vitriol was unexpected so that's that. Wasn't looking for a poster child, if so I guess you are right there would have been better options because of the blogging, didn't know that was the kiss ofdeath but I guess it means no-one who blogs is credible.

Still, this issue of parents and kids isn't likely to go away, do bosses bend or do we make room for lots of unemployed families in our state budgets. People either have jobs within the household or they end up on some sort of support, it's binary

If your car breaks down and you have no transportation to work, what accommodations do you expect your boss to make?

We’re living thru an unusual time but the fact remains your children are your responsibility, not your boss’, not your clients’ and not your doctor’s. Work it out. 4 months is plenty of time.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

^So who is a better example? I'm sure there are many examples, sort of weird the employer/employee dilemma is so quiet.

When I read the article it was interesting, not in a lasting way but just sort of a hmmmm, boss is a jerk, sort of way. Then the comments ended up being way more curious than the article itself because the vitriol was unexpected so that's that. Wasn't looking for a poster child, if so I guess you are right there would have been better options because of the blogging, didn't know that was the kiss ofdeath but I guess it means no-one who blogs is credible.

Still, this issue of parents and kids isn't likely to go away, do bosses bend or do we make room for lots of unemployed families in our state budgets. People either have jobs within the household or they end up on some sort of support, it's binary

If this had been week one of the shutdown I would think her boss is being a jerk. But it’s been 4-5 months (depending on where you live). She should’ve had a plan in place by now. There has to be a line. Even where I work the deadline was July 1 for working from home. What would the mom have done had her boss told her she has to come back? Quit or find childcare I assume.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I guess in a few months we'll see if this is going to be another "shoulda, coulda, woulda" issue.

 

[Skywalker]

^So who is a better example? I'm sure there are many examples, sort of weird the employer/employee dilemma is so quiet.

When I read the article it was interesting, not in a lasting way but just sort of a hmmmm, boss is a jerk, sort of way. Then the comments ended up being way more curious than the article itself because the vitriol was unexpected so that's that. Wasn't looking for a poster child, if so I guess you are right there would have been better options because of the blogging, didn't know that was the kiss ofdeath but I guess it means no-one who blogs is credible.

Still, this issue of parents and kids isn't likely to go away, do bosses bend or do we make room for lots of unemployed families in our state budgets. People either have jobs within the household or they end up on some sort of support, it's binary

The thing about blogs, and newspaper headlines as well for that matter, is that they are someone's spin. Someone wants you to view something in a certain way. Critical thinking is your friend. The facts of the article don't say she was fired due to her little kids. Was everyone with "little kids" fired? She was fired because she was not able to do her job to her employer's satisfaction. After having months to figure it out. After taking a time management course. After speaking with her boss and HR. (and to be "insulted" because your boss enrolled you in a time management course shows she is taking all this WAY too personally and I am sure they are relieved to have Ms. Attention-Seeking-DramaQueen off the payroll).

 

[LuvOrlando]

^Not about her anymore, it morphed quite a ways back.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Either she's exaggerating that she's out "making memories and living history" every day at lunchtime during the quarantine

But then she's not working full time and should not be getting the pay or benefits of full time employment.

 

[LilyWDW]

She didn't lose her job because of her kids. She lost her jobs because she was an unreliable employee who wasn't available when needed or doing their job.

Having kids means making concessions. Early on sure it was hard to find care and a lot of people had to scramble. At this point? No. It has been months. You know what needs to be done. You know that this isn't changing. You know what you need to do for your job.

 

[GreatLakes]

This lady isn't a martyr. She is everything that is wrong with some parents in the workforce. They think the workforce needs to treat them special because they have the additional responsibility of a child. That doesn't mean some flexibility isn't good policy because it is but when you decide you are going to have a child you need to learn to balance that responsibility with your work life.

 

[ronandannette]

^So who is a better example? I'm sure there are many examples, sort of weird the employer/employee dilemma is so quiet.

When I read the article it was interesting, not in a lasting way but just sort of a hmmmm, boss is a jerk, sort of way. Then the comments ended up being way more curious than the article itself because the vitriol was unexpected so that's that. Wasn't looking for a poster child, if so I guess you are right there would have been better options because of the blogging, didn't know that was the kiss ofdeath but I guess it means no-one who blogs is credible.

Still, this issue of parents and kids isn't likely to go away, do bosses bend or do we make room for lots of unemployed families in our state budgets. People either have jobs within the household or they end up on some sort of support, it's binary

Somebody who, by their own description, is actually doing the job they're being paid to do rather than indignantly insist on dictating the terms. Terms that seem really, really unreasonable to most of us. And if by "bosses bending" you expect companies to pay people who aren't doing an adequate job, well, no, that's not reasonable - Covid or no Covid.

 

[ronandannette]

^Not about her anymore, it morphed quite a ways back.

Not really. You're the only poster that's tried to discuss it in a larger context. Everybody else is pretty much on-point in focusing their comments on the issue as it relates to that particular person. Because that's the example you chose, and most of us see so many issues with her specific conduct that it's impossible to view her situation as being similar the millions of parents struggling to balance WFH job performance with full-time parenting.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

^Not about her anymore, it morphed quite a ways back.

It seems to me that it was always about your negative opinion of male bosses & opinion that women should receive special treatment, especially if they're a mother.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Wonder what will be said when we all get the bill for unemployment benefits in a few months.

It seems to me that it was always about your negative opinion of male bosses & opinion that women should receive special treatment, especially if they're a mother.

That's amusing but no, I do believe there is pay and power disparity, however, let's see what the census says in a few months.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Not really. You're the only poster that's tried to discuss it in a larger context. Everybody else is pretty much on-point in focusing their comments on the issue as it relates to that particular person. Because that's the example you chose, and most of us see so many issues with her specific conduct that it's impossible to view her situation as being similar the millions of parents struggling to balance WFH job performance with full-time parenting.

Not only do I think she should win in court but I also think other issues are also true. I in no way think she should be fired, or anyone else who is struggling with kids because then it's unemployment and I don't see it as a win. The fact people don't dig her doesn't change the fundamental situation, which is that this is going to be a "thing" for our society to deal with one way or the other. I prefer she, and others like her, work in whatever capacity can be created - demote, change duties, whatever but don't fire.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Not only do I think she should win in court but I also think other issues are also true. I in no way think she should be fired, or anyone else who is struggling with kids because then it's unemployment and I don't see it as a win. The fact people don't dig her doesn't change the fundamental situation, which is that this is going to be a "thing" for our society to deal with one way or the other. I prefer she, and others like her, work in whatever capacity can be created - demote, change duties, whatever but don't fire.

What possible grounds would she have for a wrongful termination suit?

-her boss did give her ample time to make arrangements. SHE didn’t.

- her boss or the company made her enroll in time management classes. That points to a previous problem on HER end

- companies are not required to pay employees for not doing their jobs. Her own social media shows she was not doing her job.

-she doesn’t get to dictate that hours don’t work for her. It is not that hard to shift the lunch schedule for her kids. I have 4 so I know it’s doable. Feed them 30 mins early and put a movie on from them. It’s not ideal, but none of this. But you know what’s less ideal? Not doing your job

The company has held up their end of the deal. They gave her time, they gave her warning, they gave her the tools to make it better. She did none of it. The fault falls on her.

But if you think paying people to hang out with their kids and not do any actual work, I’ll send you my address and you can pay me!

You are the only person who sees a problem with the way this played out, which means I think she would have a very hard time having people side in her favor.

 

[sam_gordon]

Wonder what will be said when we all get the bill for unemployment benefits in a few months.

So she loses her job and goes on unemployment. Unemployment count = +1
Someone who was on unemployment gets her job. Unemployment count = -1

Seems equal to me.

 

[sam_gordon]

Not only do I think she should win in court

Why? What did the company do that breaks the law? Expect her to work for the time she is paid to work?

but I also think other issues are also true.

What other issues?

 

[LuvOrlando]

So she loses her job and goes on unemployment. Unemployment count = +1
Someone who was on unemployment gets her job. Unemployment count = -1

Seems equal to me.

Why would you think that bosses will rehire right now with earnings in jeopardy especially for lower paying ones in customer service, or any other sort of cost center?

I'm not line iteming the rest, the issues of parents with kids will start showing up soon enough, it's like arguing about the fact the sun will come up tomorrow - no reason to do so when it will just be.

 

[LuvOrlando]

What possible grounds would she have for a wrongful termination suit?

-her boss did give her ample time to make arrangements. SHE didn’t.

- her boss or the company made her enroll in time management classes. That points to a previous problem on HER end

- companies are not required to pay employees for not doing their jobs. Her own social media shows she was not doing her job.

-she doesn’t get to dictate that hours don’t work for her. It is not that hard to shift the lunch schedule for her kids. I have 4 so I know it’s doable. Feed them 30 mins early and put a movie on from them. It’s not ideal, but none of this. But you know what’s less ideal? Not doing your job

The company has held up their end of the deal. They gave her time, they gave her warning, they gave her the tools to make it better. She did none of it. The fault falls on her.

But if you think paying people to hang out with their kids and not do any actual work, I’ll send you my address and you can pay me!

You are the only person who sees a problem with the way this played out, which means I think she would have a very hard time having people side in her favor.

We'll see

 

[LuvOrlando]

What possible grounds would she have for a wrongful termination suit?

-her boss did give her ample time to make arrangements. SHE didn’t.

- her boss or the company made her enroll in time management classes. That points to a previous problem on HER end

- companies are not required to pay employees for not doing their jobs. Her own social media shows she was not doing her job.

-she doesn’t get to dictate that hours don’t work for her. It is not that hard to shift the lunch schedule for her kids. I have 4 so I know it’s doable. Feed them 30 mins early and put a movie on from them. It’s not ideal, but none of this. But you know what’s less ideal? Not doing your job

The company has held up their end of the deal. They gave her time, they gave her warning, they gave her the tools to make it better. She did none of it. The fault falls on her.

But if you think paying people to hang out with their kids and not do any actual work, I’ll send you my address and you can pay me!

You are the only person who sees a problem with the way this played out, which means I think she would have a very hard time having people side in her favor.

We'll see

 

[LuvOrlando]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/drisana-rios-lawsuit-hub-international.html
and
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...-hassled-her-about-kids-interfering-with-workWe'll see