Woman banned for bad tipping

[kaytieeldr]

Up thread--someone commented about grandpa tipping $2 on eggs, toast and coffee.

Sure. As you point out, that's 20% of a $10 check. It's 18% of an $11.11 check and 15% of a $13.33 check. Certainly plenty under any 'typical' tipping situation.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I purpose to not tip. This is a new phenomenan and for you to say that it is customary is a joke.

It isn't customary. It is rude for them to have it AND expect a tip.

I've dropped spare change in a time or two--but I haven't ever nor plan to ever make it customary just b/c some counter service person decided one day to put a cup out.

It's begging--and I don't play that game.

Just yesterday my DD10 went into our neighborhood Starbucks to buy me a chai tea (she begged me to let her go in alone since she's 10 now!). So I agreed and sat in my car watching her. A few minutes pass by and she comes out smiling. I tell her what a great job she did and ask for the change (I gave her a $20). She gives me $11 back. I'm confused since my drink only costs $4 total which means I should have $16 left over. So I look at her and say, honey, where's the other $5? She tells me that she really liked the lady behind the counter so she put $5 in the tip jar! I didn't know whether to be annoyed or not since she thought she was doing something kind. I explained to her that I don't tip at Starbucks unless it's just a couple of coins since they're only handing me my drink. It led to an interesting discussion on why someone tips and I immediately thought of this thread! So, my chai tea that should've only cost me $4 ended up costing me $9!

 

[kaytieeldr]

Ah, but at the same time, it gave your daughter the opportunity to do something (expensive!) for someone else that made her feel good, and gave you the opportunity to have an open, stressless (?) conversation with her about the value of money and values in general, and demonstrate that she really can talk with you about anything - in case there was ever any concern about that - and did all kinds of other wonderful things... oh, right, such as made the barista feel REALLY good And you know your daughter won't tip like that again.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Ah, but at the same time, it gave your daughter the opportunity to do something (expensive!) for someone else that made her feel good, and gave you the opportunity to have an open, stressless (?) conversation with her about the value of money and values in general, and demonstrate that she really can talk with you about anything - in case there was ever any concern about that - and did all kinds of other wonderful things... oh, right, such as made the barista feel REALLY good And you know your daughter won't tip like that again.

It was an interesting conversation, one I wasn't expecting but it was all good. She really was pleased to think she'd made the Starbucks lady happy. How could I be mad when she really was doing something she thought was kind? So, ya, it did present an opportunity to discuss. She won't be dropping in $5 bills anymore at Starbucks but she's actually excited to put coins in next time. Only if she likes the lady of course!

 

[lillygator]

was there any more to this woman's story?

 

[Heidict]

Well, back to Kanpai....I dont think the story has hurt them any. I drove by there tonight after 9 pm and they were packed! Not a parking spot left in the lot.

Next time you drive by could you please swing in there and see if you could get the true story on why this lady was banned? We would all really appreciate it.

I purpose to not tip. This is a new phenomenan and for you to say that it is customary is a joke.

It isn't customary. It is rude for them to have it AND expect a tip.

I've dropped spare change in a time or two--but I haven't ever nor plan to ever make it customary just b/c some counter service person decided one day to put a cup out.

It's begging--and I don't play that game.

I hate those tip jars. They have one at a deli in my office building. All they do is punch some numbers on the register and hand me my change and they want a tip for this? Yeah, I don't think so. I'm already overpaying for a sandwich as it is.

 

[Praying Colonel]

Every time I read one of these tipping threads, I go back to the scene in Reservoir Dogs where Mr. Pink explains why he doesn't tip. Too much vulgarity to quote, but if those guys were DIS members, they'd feel right at home in this thread.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

was there any more to this woman's story?

Do you mean the Starbucks lady? My DD thought she was really nice so she gave her a tip!

 

[kaytieeldr]

Re: tip jars. I've said before, the ONLY place I'll put money in one is a single Dunkin Donuts drive-through where I can pull up to the speaker, say, "Hi, it's KaytieElder" and without another word drive around to the pickup window to find my order waiting.

And I don't go by that one any more, so it's moot. But I was tipping for the service.

 

[Planogirl]

I always throw some change in my local Starbucks tip jar. But they are always nice and chatty and I like that. To each their own.

 

[mitchfishguard]

You're right. I don't see you're point. Again, YOU, as the contractor, set your price with Mrs. Evans. You determined what price would cause her to hire you, cover your costs, allow you to profit, and keep you competitive with other painters. Too high, she won't hire you. Too low, she won't trust the quality of your work. It doesn't matter. Painting is not a traditionally tipped position.

Taxi driver? Sure. It just is. Taxi drivers, especially those who lease their cabs, pay so much they earn pretty much NO money from the fares. That's just the way it is. Most of their income is from tips.

McDonald's workers? They earn at least minimum wage. Table service is atypical. Tipping isn't - or shouldn't be - expected. Same for any similarly-designed restaurant.

Table service restaurant, on the other hand: in most states (43-44, I think), servers are legally allowed to be payed a mere $2.13 an hour with the expectation by the government and the employer that tips will at least cover the difference between that and the state's minimum wage.

Other careers on that page I linked? Well, they're service industry careers. You want to tip? Great. You don't want to tip? Okay - keep in mind, the hair stylist controls the physical image you present to the public , the valet saves you time and energy - you don't need to drive around finding a parking space, then walk long distances between your car and your destination; etc.

taxi drivers? if they lease their cars ,once theyre over their fee to the company, they keep the lot!!!!!!! my brother drives one ,remember? you didnt say what a bag carrier is paid to do. (clue, carries bags) and to say a hair stylist controls the physical image you present to the public, youre insulting our intelligence if thats why you tip her, shes DEFINITELY paid to do exactly that. also, i cant believe you think "old mrs evans" actually exists. would you tip a painter $50 dollars for a $500 bill if one of his staff carries out the work on his behalf for minimum wage.? also, i think your dismissal of burger king and mcdonalds employees is wrong. you need to ask yourself if theres any mischief in my replies to you. the more you dont realise how im posting , the more leg-pulling ill do. f.y.i , i gave the bell-hop $5 for one bag (i carried the other) saying "have a beer" because he didnt look for a tip. in fact he tried to say it was unnecessary. 1-0 to the pofq boys, i say.

 

[lillygator]

Do you mean the Starbucks lady? My DD thought she was really nice so she gave her a tip!

oh no, sorry, I meant about the woman who was banned from the restaurant. I wondered if both sides of the story had come out.

 

[kaytieeldr]

taxi drivers? if they lease their cars ,once theyre over their fee to the company, they keep the lot!!!!!!!

I don't know what the lease cost is in Great Britain or wherever it is you live, but here between leases, fees, gas, and other expenses, while the taxi company profits, the taxi DRIVER often only earns a living wage by a combination of long hours and tips.

yourself if theres any mischief in my replies to you

As a matter of fact, yes. You're making poor arguments using wording that's difficult to read. I will try this one more time: Certain positions are TRADITIONALLY TIPPED in the United States (where the bulk of DIS members reside). Tip or not as you see fit, in positions traditionally tipped or where someone provides an exceptional service or goes out of their way to do something for you, to show your appreciation - or not, as you see fit. That even holds true for Mrs. Evans and your imaginary employee whom you are paying a relatively low hourly wage in comparison to what you negotiated with Mrs. Evans. If she wishes to show her gratitude for a well- or exceptionally-done job with a verbal thanks, or a plate of cookies, or a a monetary gift, that's HER decision - but workman is generally NOT a traditionally tipped position.

I linked an article listing many positions that are; try reading it.

 

[FireDancer]

This is the thread that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends
Somebody started posting without knowing what it was
And now we'll keep on posting for ever just because
This is the thread that never ends...

 

[Praying Colonel]

There's also a thread dedicated only to tipping discussion over on the restaurants forum--we love us some tipping discussion.

 

[mitchfishguard]

I don't know what the lease cost is in Great Britain or wherever it is you live, but here between leases, fees, gas, and other expenses, while the taxi company profits, the taxi DRIVER often only earns a living wage by a combination of long hours and tips.
As a matter of fact, yes. You're making poor arguments using wording that's difficult to read. I will try this one more time: Certain positions are TRADITIONALLY TIPPED in the United States (where the bulk of DIS members reside). Tip or not as you see fit, in positions traditionally tipped or where someone provides an exceptional service or goes out of their way to do something for you, to show your appreciation - or not, as you see fit. That even holds true for Mrs. Evans and your imaginary employee whom you are paying a relatively low hourly wage in comparison to what you negotiated with Mrs. Evans. If she wishes to show her gratitude for a well- or exceptionally-done job with a verbal thanks, or a plate of cookies, or a a monetary gift, that's HER decision - but workman is generally NOT a traditionally tipped position.

I linked an article listing many positions that are; try reading it.[/QUO so a bag-carrier is paid to..........? ill send mrs.evans your regards!!!!!!!!

 

[mitchfishguard]

I don't know what the lease cost is in Great Britain or wherever it is you live, but here between leases, fees, gas, and other expenses, while the taxi company profits, the taxi DRIVER often only earns a living wage by a combination of long hours and tips.
As a matter of fact, yes. You're making poor arguments using wording that's difficult to read. I will try this one more time: Certain positions are TRADITIONALLY TIPPED in the United States (where the bulk of DIS members reside). Tip or not as you see fit, in positions traditionally tipped or where someone provides an exceptional service or goes out of their way to do something for you, to show your appreciation - or not, as you see fit. That even holds true for Mrs. Evans and your imaginary employee whom you are paying a relatively low hourly wage in comparison to what you negotiated with Mrs. Evans. If she wishes to show her gratitude for a well- or exceptionally-done job with a verbal thanks, or a plate of cookies, or a a monetary gift, that's HER decision - but workman is generally NOT a traditionally tipped position.

I linked an article listing many positions that are; try reading it.[/QUO so a bag-carrier is paid to..........? ill send mrs.evans your regards!!!!!!!!

 

[mitchfishguard]

im repeating because i messed up. good reply. but what does a bag-carrier get paid to do..............? also ill give mrs. evans your regards !!!!!!!!!!!!! she doesnt know any americans !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[smidgy]

There's also a thread dedicated only to tipping discussion over on the restaurants forum--we love us some tipping discussion.

actually, that thread is ONLY a tipping "info" thread. no opinions allowed, or discussions about the merits of tipping/not tipping.
the only things you can discuss are:

tipping is optional at DW, unless
you are a party of 6 or more, in which case an 18% tip will be added(even at buffets).

that's it in a nutshell. about the only discussion is when people try to say they are not a party of 6 or more because they are paying seperately. they are informed that if they are at one table, they are one party, regarlelss of separate checks. one poster was thinking of sitting at 2 dif. tables, hoping to be seated at the same time, and near each other... all to avoid an 18% tip! can you imagine sitting a a table in between them?

 

[pioneer89]

If I were king for a day:

I would abolish all tipping, and simply have the people that now depend on tips be paid a fair wage for the job they do.



The price of going out to eat would not go up, because I already tip, so that money is just rolled into the bill.

I even have evidence that this would work great: Remember when DDP included the tip with the plan? I do, and I can easily say in my experience that the quality of service has gone down since they stopped including the tip with the package.

I know some of the arguments against it: Servers have no incentive to perform well, no easy way to reward exceptional service, can't tip heavy and get that cute waitress to pretent to be flirting with you, etc. (OK, J/K about that last one). I can't say I have all the answers, but I think it's a good enough idea to at least toss out there.

I'm not even going to pretend that's likely to happen, it's just a pipe dream, but it sure would make things a lot easier.