WL Safe Robbed

I also agree that the story sounds fishy.
But if the story is in fact true then isnt disney liable for the families loss??? DOoesnt disney have security camera's that might show a person picking up the new safe ckey from the counter or other keys in the hotel that may show if trhis took place. Im sure they know when the safe was emptied by the time it was opened.
 
Originally posted by Bob O
But if the story is in fact true then isnt disney liable for the families loss???
I doubt it. Ever since I started staying at any Disney resort, it was always made perfectly clear that valubles should be kept in the safe at the front desk. :cool:

MG
 
Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
But the question remains.... How did they get in the room?

MG
How does any theif get into a locked room or apartment or house? You talk your way in by telling a convincing story to the front desk, or you find a key that someone dropped, or you sneak in after housekeeping, or you come in through the window, or you convince housekeeping that you lost your key and need to get in to return a phone call or a million other ways. Or there's a person working on the inside -- either within the Indian family or within the resort. It's not like it's never been done before.

:earsboy:
 
Originally posted by WDSearcher
How does any theif get into a locked room or apartment or house? You talk your way in by telling a convincing story to the front desk, or you find a key that someone dropped, or you sneak in after housekeeping, or you come in through the window, or you convince housekeeping that you lost your key and need to get in to return a phone call or a million other ways. Or there's a person working on the inside -- either within the Indian family or within the resort. It's not like it's never been done before.

:earsboy:
Hmmmm..... Okay, but I doubt they climbed through a window, or found a key (how would you know what room it was?)
An insider from the resort is stretching it, in my opinion.
I agree it could be an insider from within the family, as that is what I mean when I say the story sounds "fishy".


Anyway, it would be very risky because if the technician who made the key did ask for ID, they would be busted on the spot.
I am not sure many would take such a chance. :cool:

MG
 

Remembering back from a heated post on the Resorts Board when a fairly expensive (and new) piece of video equipment was stolen from behind the scenes at the Poly --
Didn't a FL attorney mention that FL hotels/motels have a $500 liability limit?
But not sure if this just covers items left in the room, or this includes during the stay ---
That situation was a little different as the family left behind the equipment, called the Poly, staff there acknowledged picking it up and putting it backstage, where it promptly disappeared.
 
Having worked in hotels for 15+ years this story does not ring true to me at all.

While it is possible for a crafty thief to get into a hotel room, it is usually very difficult. The most popular method is to enter the room when the housekeeper is cleaning it. However nowadays most housekeepers know that they will lose their job if they allow this to happen. The housekeepers usually will ask the guest to exit the room while they finish cleaning and then firmly close the door behind them so that it must be entered with a key. The next most popular method is to claim that you were accidentally locked out of your room at the front desk and have no ID, etc. as you had just gone to get some ice (visit a friend, look out the window). Again, Front Desk Clerks know they will lose their job for allowing someone in a room they are not supposed to be in. They will ask questions of the person claiming to be from the room that can be answered by looking in the computer, such as home address, date they checked in, etc. etc. and then send a Security Officer to the room with the guest to obtain ID after entering.

As for opening a safe...there are safety procedures in place in all hotels. A safe, by definition, means that money or valuables is involved. There is no way a hotel employee is going to just open up someones safe for them. ID would need to be presented, Security would be involved not just Engineering, and possibly a formed signed by the guest.

I cannot under any circumstances, imagine a breakdown in security procedures like what is described in this story. And if by some wild means this did happen, then I would not think the hotels $500 liability would be in effect as they were the ones that opened the safe. Which would again point to the reasons why a hotel would spend a lot of time and effort ensuring this did not happen.

The only way I could see this happening was if it was an employee of the hotel that had access to the safe opening device. And they would have had to know about the room having a larger than normal amount of cash on hand, which seems unlikely for someone in the Engineering Department as they have little guest contact except in situations like this. I have said this before, but after 15 years of working in hotels I have NEVER had a staff person be proven to have stolen from a guest. They are often accused, but after investigation it is always someone else that stole the money or valuables.

There are so many ways to determine what happened anyways. The electronic key doors store the information about what key "hit" them to open the door and when. They would be able to read the door, find out what key opened it at the time the theft occurred and then go back and determine if it was the guests key or an employee key. And if it was an employee key, then what employee. They would be able to look at security cameras in elevators and other key areas to determine who was near the room at that time. And there is most likely some sort of procedure for "signing out" the key cutting device or safe opener from Engineering by the Engineers, as most hotels do not want this type of thing floating about in a hotel willy-nilly. Sometimes this device is even kept in the Security Department instead so that there is an even bigger checks and balances for it.

Just a little "inside" information.

Jennifer
 
Originally posted by doubletrouble_vb
Why would you bother stealing the passports?
Good point. For that matter, why steal travelers checks, and airline tickets?

You know, I'm wondering.... :scratchin Why would the family be broke if they had $10k in travelers checks stolen? I would think they could be replaced in fairly short order. After all... isn't that why people carry travelers checks??? :confused:

MG
 
Look at the room rates at the Poly - the rack rate is over $500/night for a lagoon view concierge room and even more for a suite. If you are paying for a week's vacation it will add up fast. If you are paying for 2 or 3 rooms + meals, entertainment & other purchases, it will add up even faster. If the cash & travellers checks were to pay the hotel bill then I can understand why they had that much money on hand.

Credit cards come easy here in the US however it may not be the same in other countries. The article says this family was from India? If someone observed that Indian families usually paid with cash, it would be easy to target the next Indian family that checked in. This sounds like an inside job to me.


:Pinkbounc
 
They do have credit cards in India and anyone who can buy a $3000. bag would most certainly qualify for a credit card. It is bash Disney year in Orlando press .Who knows:confused:
 
Some ask why bother stealing passports, traveler's checks, etc.
Well, all you need to do is remove someone's picture in the passport and insert your own and then you're set. Unfortunately there are people that are very good at just this sort of thing.

I don't know if this really happened or not. I believe it could happen though. Hopefully we'll have some follow-up stories on this.
 
I doubt the "cash" was to pay for the room. Doesn;t DIsney require rooms to be paid in advance, prior to check-in? Even if they did allow cash payment, wouldn't it also be taken upon check-in and not daily or at check-out? AS far as room charges, unless they pre-paid that with cash or left a credit card at the desk, they wouldn't allow the KTTW card to be used for miscellaneous purchases throughout the resort.

It's been years since I booked room only (I joined DVC and no longer use CRO), but the last time I did they required the room to be paid in full several days prior to arrival. Maybe that has changed?

Something just isn't right.
 
Originally posted by Chuck S
It's been years since I booked room only (I joined DVC and no longer use CRO), but the last time I did they required the room to be paid in full several days prior to arrival. Maybe that has changed?

Something just isn't right.

Currently, room only reservations only require a 1 night deposit. YOu pay the rest after you arrive.

Ed
 
True but you pay it when you arrive not when you checkout. So the money that was stolen would have nothing to do with paying for checkout.
 
Originally posted by andromedaslove
True but you pay it when you arrive not when you checkout. So the money that was stolen would have nothing to do with paying for checkout.

But everything else at Disney cost lots of money....
 
Upon check in at the Villas the front desk fogot to give us our room keys. We didint find out that we didnt have them till we got to our room so I went back to the front desk. When I got back to my room my wife was already inside. She just told a CM who passed by whathad happened and they let her right in.
 
Originally posted by zurgswife
But everything else at Disney cost lots of money....

Your right everything does cost a ton of money. I was just correcting those that thought they had that kind of money to check out at the end of their trip.


At no time should anyone be let into a hotel room without somehow verifying that they belong there. I would have been quite upset with the hotel if they had let my DH in without trying to verify who he was first.
 
something like this happened to our family last week in WDW... during our 10 day stay i swear that some guy that looked a lot like michael eisner took over 5 grand in cash and credit card charges ;)... all disney did in return was give us park admission, hotel rooms, meals, drinks and a bunch of t-shirts /toys :earseek:
 
Hotels really should check ID's prior to letting anyone in the room...Disney or not... Last year, March 2003 to be exact, I stayed at the Hyatt Orlando (now closed). It was me, my 2 daughters & one of my older daughter's friends. One day her friend went to the front desk ...told them she left her key in the room & they had someone take her over & they opened it for her....NEVER asking for ID... I was so mad when I found out... thank God it was someone who really was with us...but how would the hotel have truly known when they never asked for ID???? I let the manager know how upset I was. They said they were sorry and that their policy is to ask for ID...and he would get to the bottom of it... not that it makes a differece...it happened and that fact couldn't be changed. Her friend also told us that all they did was ask for the room number & that was it..... so it shows anyone could have gotten in...they never even asked for her name let along an ID!
I also have to comment on leaving money in the room.... I never leave my money & credit cards....nor do I carry them in a pocketbook. I keep them in my front pocket.... When I travel, I don't take anything expensive with me either...you want my pocketbook...you can have it.... I guess growing up just outside of NYC came in handy
 












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