Wk of Nov 27--2006 Disney Half-Full Marathon Info/Training

[gatorphipps]

I have a qiuck question for all the WISHers out there!

As you know, I am doing the Charlotte Marathon on Saturday....Well my question is.....
Should I run the marathon at race pace?
OR
Should I run my scheduled 10 Friday then count the Saturday marathon as a training run? I was supposed to do 22 this Saturday anyway.

Ron, my coach, says it is up to me. I am not overtraining or in danger of anything no matter what I choose. But I cannot decide!

HELP!
Christa

 

[Jodi]

Good Morning Everyone!! Thank you soooo much I really feel like an athlete now. You guys are so supportive, I've always considered myself "lazy", maybe that's all behind me. I guess I won't believe it until I cross the finish line for the 1/2.

Colleen - Yeh, maybe some bloodwork. I have hypothyroidism & know what it can feel like to be completely wiped out for no apparent reason.

Mel- Love the idea

MelR- Sunny's right about the protein shakes, load up on the calories

Christa - I don't know, can you wait & see how you feel the day b-4 & the a.m. of???

Harry - Good choice

Tiff - My 10 y/o son is planning to run/walk the WDW 5K as well w/ his grandfather. He's a video game couch potato, but excited to get this done. I'm trying to encourage him to be more active.

Let's try a packet "jump" for all of you without yours...what's up with that?

Hey, is there still room @ the Trails End Buffet Fri. night?? There are 7 in my group. What time do I have to go to bed Friday? 8 p.m.??? I know I'm not going to be able to sleep. Holy cow I'm getting so worked up. No dreams yet, though.

Jodi

 

[wtpclc]

Krista - I don't know how to clarify. It's not that I'm not a Lion's fan, but I don't get psyched for the season, because it's better not to get your hopes up. Mariucci is from MI. I wanted him to work. Thanksgiving was awful and I think he was just deparate to do something. We've had 2 or 3 coaches under MIllan (President) none of them have done anything. Most people here think he has to go before anything can happen. So, no, they are not dancing in the streets in Mo-town.

 

[solotraveler]

Krista - I don't know how to clarify. It's not that I'm not a Lion's fan, but I don't get psyched for the season, because it's better not to get your hopes up. Mariucci is from MI. I wanted him to work. Thanksgiving was awful and I think he was just deparate to do something. We've had 2 or 3 coaches under MIllan (President) none of them have done anything. Most people here think he has to go before anything can happen. So, no, they are not dancing in the streets in Mo-town.

Most people feel like they fired the wrong guy. Old man Ford must have some kind of boy-crush on Matt Millan, because I don't see any justification at all for signing him to another five years like they did. Thank goodness for college football, otherwise between the Lions and the Tigers this would be one sad sports state. (But I disgress....)

Krista- I totally agree about our former long runs now being short runs. The other day i told my roomate I was frustrated because I could only get through 4 miles and he said "Only?!?!"

Mel- I love the idea of keeping the Running/Walking Club going. I can't tell you how this group has helped my training along and I really want to get improve over the course of the next year.

Re: Protein shakes: You really have to shop around to find a good one. Usually the one's that are Ready-To-Drink are better than the powdered ones, but they are far more expensive. YMMV, though.


Yesterday I actually did my 40 minutes of crosstraining. It was wonderful!! Seriously! When I run I concentrate so hard on mileage and pace and form that it felt good to just jump on a stepmill and a bike and read Time magazine. 48 minutes (5/1) today and I'm going to do the whole thing no matter what.

I think that's all for now.
Happy Training all!
Solotraveler

 

[plutosmyfav]

Colleen-- Mel has good advice to get it checked out. Hopefully its just what many of us seem to have hit along the way. I hit it a couple of weeks ago, I called it a full body mutiny. My mind was still in training mode but the entire bod said "Nope, ain't gonna do it" and it terrified me. I recovered after 2 days of total rest. I mean TOTAL, I didn't do any more than walk from my car to the office and back. I hope rest gets you back on track.

Christa-- Goofy is a huge undertaking, I think I would hold back a bit on the Charlotte marathon and treat it more like training so you are peaking for Goofy. Good luck, I can't wait to hear the race stories from you and Bree

I took a vacation day to sit and wait for my new computer to arrive. I had to rearrange my bedroom and put together a new desk for it, so I'm calling that cross training I hope to get out to the Y tonight for a good MLR. Its pouring and I'm just not up for the whole run inthe rain thing today.

I'm all for a year-round run/walk club

Oh where's that guy in brown anyway???????

My Napster mp3 player hasn't come yet, either. They haven't even sent a shipping confirm and its been 9 days since I ordered.

Sunny

 

[aladdinsgirl]

Carrie and Solo--I'm sorry that the Lions organization just can't seem to straighten themselves out. The Bengals went through that a few years ago with the Brown family, they kept hiring coaches, wouldn't let them actually do their job and the Bengal's record reflected that. When Marvin Lewis was hired, he must have made some pretty strong demands because the Brown family pretty much leaves him alone. This year is really coming together for the Bengals, unfortunately for the Steelers, but I still feel good that we'll win the division.

Edited to Add--I hope everything works out, I'm sort of a Lions fan. Stephen has family in MI (Grand Rapids and Mount Pleasant) and they are huge Lions fans. Since we have NFL Sunday Ticket and I can watch any game I want to, I generally root for teams that people I know are fans of. Except for the Ravens, my Mom could be a Ravens fan and I would still root against them. Unless they are playing the Bengals--there a lot of stipulations to football cheering!! Okay, sorry about the football break, back to running and walking.
Krista

 

[xterratri]

Harry- congrats for making a hard decision based on long term and family rather than the shorter term gratification. I looked last night after reading your post and the entry for Marine Corps opens up May 16 I think. I worked medical at the race this year and it was very well done. I'm glad that the race entry doesn't open until so late since I won't be able to make an informed decision about doing it until after April 7th when I find out for sure where and more importantly what order I'll be doing clinical rotations next year.

Colleen- yes, it sounds like classic overtraining but... err on the side of caution and getting checked out may not be a bad idea.

Christa- if Charlotte isn't your goal race this year, it probably wouldn't hurt to treat it like a long training run and do the 10 the day before. However...if there is any chance of you getting caught up in the moment and pushing harder than training pace on the marathon, you might want to consider not doing the 10. Good luck either way.

Hey solo- I actually did my cross training yesterday too.

I've been bad and often treating x-train day like an extra rest day but brought my tri bike, indoor trainer, and a TV/DVD combo back to ME with me after T-day. My new toy this weekend was a new HRM. I had/have a Polar 710s but it was misbehaving by early last academic year and I think it needs new batteries. That requires sending the unit pieces into Polar USA and paying 30/unit. In addition, its always been too big for my little wrist(I wear the Garmin on my upper arm for this reason) and its not set up to talk with my Mac OS computer. So I got a 30 Lap midsize Ironman HRM by Timex. It's kind of weird to go back to using a HRM again after having not been and particularly since I'm kind of already in shape rather than just getting back into shape. I haven't done a max test since I was in grad school so I'll probably try and do one after the marathon so I can accurately set the zones for at least one sport.

I like the idea of the group continuing after the race. I don't know if I'll get to do 2007 but am definitely planning on going Goofy in 2008. I'm also anticipating the month of Feb being a challenge to get through because I'll be post marathon but pre-12 week half ironman program. I use this group as accountability as I rarely let myself post(but always keep up reading) unless I've worked out that day.

MelR- when my sister was swimming competitively she used to have some favorite protein drinks, hopefully she'll see this and chime in with what they were. She drank them because she was 100 pounds soaking wet and she was a very picky eater.

Tiff(and up to 3 other people)- PM me the week prior to the marathon and remind me to bring the Le Tour de France 02 pins that Trek sent me after I got my Project One Madone SL. I really don't have any use for them(4) so I'll distribute them to people that might be interested such as a kid that likes Lance and wants to race the Tour.

Got to go back to school now. 4 hours of lecture but I'll be surfing the web for 2 of it. I get nothing out of the instructor but I'm on AV duty so I've got to be there.

 

[wtpclc]

Shirt Update:

Well, here's the scoop. They were shupposed to be shipped to me no later than the 9th of December. Now it's a "hopefully, next week, but no later than the 14th." I will ship them out no later than the 19th. I will try very hard for teh 17th (saturday), but I will not likely get them until after work on the 16th.

So, you should get them btwn the 21st or 22nd. I believe priority is 2 to 3 days. If this ship date does not work for you, let me know. I can do a rush shipment or delivery them to Mel to give you at Trails End. Thanks for your patience.

I can't cause a big fuss, because we don't have time to go elsewhere.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Darn Disney--an evening marathon sounded exciting.

Please note that in the 2006 WALT DISNEY WORLD® Marathon Weekend Program, the time for the Runners Start for the Marathon was incorrectly listed as “6:00 p.m.” on page 5 and page 12. This was an error. The Runners Start for the Marathon on Sunday, January 8, 2006 will be at 6:00 a.m. We apologize for any confusion that this may have caused. Again, the Runners Start for the Marathon on Sunday, January 8, 2006 will be at 6:00 a.m.

Seriously--wonder how many will make an oops arrival.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have a qiuck question for all the WISHers out there!

As you know, I am doing the Charlotte Marathon on Saturday....Well my question is.....
Should I run the marathon at race pace?
OR
Should I run my scheduled 10 Friday then count the Saturday marathon as a training run? I was supposed to do 22 this Saturday anyway.

Ron, my coach, says it is up to me. I am not overtraining or in danger of anything no matter what I choose. But I cannot decide!

HELP!
Christa

IMHO--it depends. If it will drive you nuts not to do it...I'd go ahead and run race pace. If you are having any set back issues at the moment that are pending..I'd say leisurely run.

 

[MelRhoads]

Christa - I'd say GO FOR IT!!!!!!!! You know I have been the queen of other races while training. You have been doing plenty of the back to back LR's anyway. If you are really wanting to know how you could do doing an all out marathon at the peak of your training, then let'r'rip. Now, I will say that EC (you know, marathon queen, crazy running girl) says that your bod begins to break down after 20 miles and that you need a recovery period, but you'll have time to recover before goofy anyway (right?) One of the things I think about it that I may never have these opportunities again, if there is no real reason not to, then why not?

It seems like whatever you choose, you have nothing to loose. Good luck with your decision. GOOD LUCK WITH THE MARATHON TOO!!!! You better be posting pics shortly thereafter!

 

[keenercam]

Hi, everyone! Just checking in after a really lousy day in court. My training has been a little different lately, but still going. Monday night I did an hour of FIRM videos, including one for core strengthening. I think it was called ab sculpt or something and included lots of back stuff. Taking Lisa's and my doctor's advice very seriously about that. Also did a cardio one, in the hopes that will help the breathlessness that I still have once in a while (leftover from 10 years of heart condition?)

Last night I did 40 minutes on the bike, 30 minutes elliptical and 30 minutes treadmill (15:00 pace steady!) since it was pouring outside! ICK!!! I can't believe I exercised for 1 hour 40 minutes! The snickers marathon bar made a huge difference for my energy level. Thanks to all who recommended it!

Mel -- I love the idea of a WISH walking/running club. I depend on all of you so much to keep me accountable and encouraged! Not sure how motivated I'll be in January, but I am looking forward to starting the training process all over again for the DL 1/2.

Harry -- I am sooo happy that you have such a great reason for making a difficult decision. You and your family will have such an awesome time, and without fighting marathon weekend crowds, too!

Have a great night, all!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So I go to the gym for my 48 minutes of fun...and they have a police chase on Foxnews in southern california--like a dumb butt this guy stops about 4 times (and then eventually restarts again)--including stopping at an intersection to try to steal another vehicle (live tv!).

Now--didn't appear that anyone was hurt--but man that was the fastest 48 minutes on the treadmill in my life. I kept thinking--I hope it ends soon, b/c I can't go forever. It ended just after I got off. Now the California Highway Patrol owes me a big thank you for it not being my long run day. Had I known the guy was just waiting for me to finish--I gladly would have paused to give him time to get out of his vehicle, get arrested without incident, and then resume running.

 

[wtpclc]

Cam - Sorry about your bad court day. I just found out I may have to do a deposition fo rwork. Yuck!

Lisa - Woo hoo on teh LR!

I keep forgettign to tell you my TM story. It was super icy T-day and I needed to do 45 min. I was at my parents so, no problem, I'll use the TM. After 15 min, I wanted to quit. I was way hot adn that darn timer in front of me drove me batty. If I ever use it again, I'll put a towel over it. Their speed had to be off, as it was in KPH, which should be highr than mph at the same pace, but I know I was not doing 20 minute miles.

Then, teh lions game came on. At least something a little mroe to keep my attention. Well, it was on TV and Jimmy eat wWorld was on teh mp3, so I was kicking but. Then Joey threw and interception, which was run back way far and I forot where I was and darned near fell off!! Now, had I fallen off, could I have sued the Lions?

So, to those of you who use TMs. I don't think I could do it. NO WAY for LRs. It would be a nice option to the ice and the slush on some days, though.

 

[chimera]

PACKET!!! PACKET!!!! PACKET!!!!

Please feel free to refer to me as #24514

 

[TiffJ]

Lynn-that would be awsome! DS would love it , he loves pins. Thanks a bunch. He was asking today how old you had to be to do the Tour. Also DH found out that when Lance was 9 he came in 2nd in the Ironkids Tri. Parker thought that was pretty neat.

Lisa- so glad you are getting back in the grove

I definately want to keep this group going. I plan on being very active next year!

Today I did 4 miles. The ducks are interfering with my training!!!!!!
They have come here for the winter, they arent usually at the track at DH work. I like it because it is 1/2 miles instead of 1/4 mile. Well there was so much poop everywhere, I couldnt even warm up properly. It was like playing twister with your feet while trying to walk. I did this for .4 mile & decided to go walk around the campus. (DH work is huge) I dont like having to do this because I have to pay attention to cars & occasionally cross train tracks. This breaks my concentration on my pace. I think these stupid ducks need to keep heading south. Dont they know it still gets below freezing a good bit here. Stupid ducks!

 

[MelRhoads]

Mel - YEAH!!!!! And the running/walk group would be GREAT!

 

[crzy4pooh]

I the idea of a running/walk group, too!!! I learn so much from you all!!!

Chimera - congrats on the packet!!! I am still waiting... DH got his last Friday - grrrrrrr!!! (He did let me read his first, though... )

I have a training question - I have had a major knee issue, so have taken it easy for the last week and a half. I'm really happy to say I can walk without pain now!!! I only have a problem when I turn on that foot, or step back wrong. So - I was supposed to do 18 on Saturday - but I'm thinking I should do 10 - 12 this week to see how things are going. Then for the following week (Dec. 10), do I
A. do the 18, followed by a 10, which pushes my 20 to Christmas Eve (leaving only two weeks until the marathon)
B. do 20 (I really want to get to that before race day), then have 3 medium runs of 10 - 12 before the marathon (eliminates a very long run, but allows for more gradual taper)
C. do 12 - 14, then 20, then 2 weeks of 10 (which puts me back on the original plan, but eliminates one of the very long runs)
D. Just go for the 18 this week as per my training plan, and hope I don't cause more injury

Please help!!! Is it better to have 3 or 4 weeks of taper? I've read both. Any ideas???

Thanks everyone for all the help and encouragement! Everyone is doing soooo great!!! I can't wait to meet you all in person!!!

 

[wiskband]

Hi all..........so nice to see everyone so excited about upcoming marathon. I have been MIA for a while but since I recieved my packet, it has once again ( for like the 8 time this year) inspired me to get back on track! I do wish now I had focused more through out this past year. I was just reading through this thread and I think its so nice how you all got to know one another. Truth is, I am such a prograstinator! I have always been. And although, I dont think I trained enough last year, I did have such a wonderful time. Which is probably why I havent really trained this year ( up until this point ) I have no excuses, I mean I can say LIFE gets in the way which is probably one of my favorite lines but, you all have lives as well and managed to get all your training through out the past months. you should all be so proud of yourselves for being so consistant in this journey! Anyway, I cant wait to meet you all and as much as I would love to catch up on the marathon threads, I can't now but was wondering about a few things, one of which, I posted a thread about.....
Will WISH be wearing a certain color? How will everyone meet on that day?

As far as WISH meets, the only one I am aware of is trails end..... any others?



Tigerlily, your stroll down memory lane was great! I had such a great time! Those pics help get me going for 06! see ya there.


renee

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I the idea of a running/walk group, too!!! I learn so much from you all!!!

Chimera - congrats on the packet!!! I am still waiting... DH got his last Friday - grrrrrrr!!! (He did let me read his first, though... )

I have a training question - I have had a major knee issue, so have taken it easy for the last week and a half. I'm really happy to say I can walk without pain now!!! I only have a problem when I turn on that foot, or step back wrong. So - I was supposed to do 18 on Saturday - but I'm thinking I should do 10 - 12 this week to see how things are going. Then for the following week (Dec. 10), do I
A. do the 18, followed by a 10, which pushes my 20 to Christmas Eve (leaving only two weeks until the marathon)
B. do 20 (I really want to get to that before race day), then have 3 medium runs of 10 - 12 before the marathon (eliminates a very long run, but allows for more gradual taper)
C. do 12 - 14, then 20, then 2 weeks of 10 (which puts me back on the original plan, but eliminates one of the very long runs)
D. Just go for the 18 this week as per my training plan, and hope I don't cause more injury

Please help!!! Is it better to have 3 or 4 weeks of taper? I've read both. Any ideas???

Thanks everyone for all the help and encouragement! Everyone is doing soooo great!!! I can't wait to meet you all in person!!!

The MFM trainign plan would say to do what you can this Saturday (if it is only 10 miles then so be it)...and then picking up where you would be in the schedule without disruption the following week. So on December 10--you do it as scheduled if you are able.

Not sure how many LR's you have missed--but if you have only missed 1 so far--getting in a good chunk of it this weekend would be adequate.

Our L-LR is on December 10th making I guess 4 weeks of taper (Dec 17, 24, 31, and then--marathon weekend!!!!!).

I've missed 4 weeks of Long runs (last weekend was actually a low mileage LR week)--and I'm just picking on up with the schedule--no making things up...just getting back up to speed as soon as feasible with "no makeups!".

Once you start trying to make up stuff and doing drastic rearranging to squeeze in stuff--you put yourself at risk for a setback.

I don't know which letter this would be--but I'd do what you can on Saturday (10-12)--stick with your LR on the 10th as you originally had planned.

MFM finsishes up as follows:
10th 8 miles
17th 20 miles
24th 10 miles
31st 6 miles

My coach has the team do their Longest on the 10th--and then cutting it by about 4 miles a week through the 31st.