With current incentives expiring soon, any guesses on the next round of incentives?

[maui22]

Current incentives end on February 10.

https://dvcfan.com/general-dvc/winter-2024-disney-vacation-club-direct-sales-incentives/

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...fer-cheaper-polynesian-points-at-lower-levels

We know there is a price increase coming.

https://dvcfan.com/general-dvc/disney-vacation-club-announces-price-increases-for-2024/

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...b-direct-pricing-to-increase-in-february-2025

What are your thoughts on the next round of incentives?

 

[Sandisw]

PVB tower won’t be better. You may see increased incentives for RIV, but with the price increase I think the net result will be pretty much the same.

Now, CFW? Thst might be the only one we see get better.

 

[atthebeachclub]

I’m curious how the economy’s expected coming bumps may affect direct prices.

 

[Chili327]

I’m curious how the economy’s expected coming bumps may affect direct prices.

I don’t think the economy will affect direct pricing. Has it ever before?
I mean maybe more incentives, but not lowering the price… that’s crazy talk.

Im sure they basically couldn’t lower the price or there would be a mutiny of owners that paid more. lol

Is a “mutiny of owners” a thing?? It just sounded right, but maybe a group of mutinous owners is better.

 

[Cyberc1978]

If the purposed new taxes are coming and it looks like they will, then it will impact U.S economy. The longer they remain the worse it will get. People will keep their money in their pocket and not go to Disney at all - let alone buy into DVC.

We might not see better incentives or lower prices right now but if sales overall goes down Disney will have to do something. As a start they will increase incentives, it’s not unheard of Disney lowering the prices but I wouldn’t hold my breath on it.

I don’t know how often DVC has done something proactively by increasing incentives in this case because of fear of increasing inflation. If the inflation is not coming and incentives got increased then DVC have left money on the table and how often is that known to happen

 

[DVCsloth]

I'm still not certain that Disney is in any hurry to sell out Riviera since it seems to be an easy one for them to rent out for cash. CFW would really benefit IMO from an announcement of it being in the same association as the proposed Lakeshore Lodge. I don't think Disney would open themselves up for this until construction is well under way. VDH seems to have pretty decent incentives now so maybe a price increase with slightly better incentive for VDH. Polynesian will probably not see much for incentives since it will probably do very well with cash reservations similar to Riviera.

 

[Chili327]

A little off topic, but is there no ToT on Orlando resorts because it’s Disneys property or is it just a state thing? (or county)
Or is it possible for LSL to have a tax added, or is it included in the dues?

 

[TinkAgainU]

....

Is a “mutiny of owners” a thing?? It just sounded right, but maybe a group of mutinous owners is better.

I think the phrase you were looking for is "litigious owners" all other owners are invisible to Disney once their check clears lol.

 

[Brian Noble]

A little off topic, but is there no ToT on Orlando resorts because it’s Disneys property or is it just a state thing? (or county)
Or is it possible for LSL to have a tax added, or is it included in the dues?

They are determined by local government---usually at the municipality/county level.

 

[Brian Noble]

I think the phrase you were looking for is "litigious owners" all other owners are invisible to Disney once their check clears lol.

I don't think "You lowered your prices" is a winning lawsuit strategy, but IANAL.

 

[TinkAgainU]

I don't think "You lowered your prices" is a winning lawsuit strategy, but IANAL.

I'm laughing at both the sentiment (agreed) and the acronym.

 

[disneylandtour]

A little off topic, but is there no ToT on Orlando resorts because it’s Disneys property or is it just a state thing? (or county)
Or is it possible for LSL to have a tax added, or is it included in the dues?

From memory--so correct me if I'm wrong--but I believe that Florida does not charge TOT for timeshares if no money changes hand for the rental. That is, if it's just points. I believe it was deemed that the property tax in the member fees created a type of ownership that was not subject to transient occupancy tax. But this all was a long time ago, around the time of the recession.

 

[Sandisw]

Please remover that posts that are written in a way that can be taken as political are not allowed.

I deleted some that were borderline to fit in that category. General comments about economic conditions are find….passing judgement is not.

 

[TinkAgainU]

Current incentives end on February 10.

https://dvcfan.com/general-dvc/winter-2024-disney-vacation-club-direct-sales-incentives/

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...fer-cheaper-polynesian-points-at-lower-levels

We know there is a price increase coming.

https://dvcfan.com/general-dvc/disney-vacation-club-announces-price-increases-for-2024/

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...b-direct-pricing-to-increase-in-february-2025

What are your thoughts on the next round of incentives?

We've heard rumors of Direct price increases - BUT - the article you quote in dvcfan.com is talking about price increases LAST YEAR, correct? Or am I missing something?

That said, I would not be surprised at an increase in the base prices (discouraging smaller purchases) with large incentives. Seems to be the Disney style to increase the price, then offer "deals" as a marketing approach. They bump up park tickets the same way.

Kinda like Amazon day seems to show huge discounts, but if you check, a lot of vendors did big price increases a day before so their percentage of discount (to get back to the original full price) is what people see. Not sure that will work if at some point the bottoms line just does not work in people's budgets.

 

[Sandisw]

We've heard rumors of Direct price increases - BUT - the article you quote in dvcfan.com is talking about price increases LAST YEAR, correct? Or am I missing something?

That said, I would not be surprised at an increase in the base prices (discouraging smaller purchases) with large incentives. Seems to be the Disney style to increase the price, then offer "deals" as a marketing approach. They bump up park tickets the same way.

Kinda like Amazon day seems to show huge discounts, but if you check, a lot of vendors did big price increases a day before so their percentage of discount (to get back to the original full price) is what people see. Not sure that will work if at some point the bottoms line just does not work in people's budgets.

Price increase are supposed to be coming this year too.

 

[DanCali]

If the purposed new taxes are coming and it looks like they will, then it will impact U.S economy. The longer they remain the worse it will get. People will keep their money in their pocket and not go to Disney at all - let alone buy into DVC.

Are you referring the tariffs? Those are not taxes on the consumer so they will have zero direct impact.

Some argue that producers will pass along the tariff costs to consumers. Maybe they will... maybe they will absorb some of it... or maybe consumers/producers will shift to products made in countries that are not subject to tariffs. What I do know is that there are a lot of self-interested parties and lobbyists out there spreading information that tariffs lead to hyper-inflation. Maybe so, but they didn't cause a noticeable impact last time around. Time will tell - in the meantime, I prefer to ignore they hype and let the free markets do their thing. And there are no tariffs on DVC points

 

[atthebeachclub]

Are you referring the tariffs? Those are not taxes on the consumer so they will have zero direct impact.

Some argue that producers will pass along the tariff costs to consumers. Maybe they will... maybe they will absorb some of it... or maybe consumers/producers will shift to products made in countries that are not subject to tariffs. What I do know is that there are a lot of self-interested parties and lobbyists out there spreading information that tariffs lead to hyper-inflation. Maybe so, but they didn't cause a noticeable impact last time around. Time will tell - in the meantime, I prefer to ignore they hype and let the free markets do their thing. And there are no tariffs on DVC points

Lots of Canadian DVC owners out there. And I suspect they will start being very careful with where they spend their Loonies and Toonies.

I don’t think it is a stretch to also guess the average American household will feel less flush very soon, which may impact spending. Especially on discretionary products like DVC or WDW vacations.

 

[DanCali]

Lots of Canadian DVC owners out there. And I suspect they will start being very careful with where they spend their Loonies and Toonies.

I don’t think it is a stretch to also guess the average American household will feel less flush very soon, which may impact spending. Especially on discretionary products like DVC or WDW vacations.

I do think it is a stretch is you're basing your guess on what some lobbyists are saying and media is hyping. Look at the impact on the CPI last time we had tariffs and tell me if you see anything (before the crazy post-covid spending).

Canadians will not be spending more on beer if they drink Molson instead of Bud. And US consumers can buy Vermont maple syrup instead of Canadian without much extra impact on their pockets. Markets can sort themselves out on their own without hyperinflation. I'm not saying certain producers won't get hurt badly if they depend primarily on exports (while other producers might gain). But tariffs are not a direct tax on consumers.

 

[atthebeachclub]

I do think it is a stretch is you're basing your guess on what some lobbyists are saying and media is hyping. Look at the impact on the CPI last time we had tariffs and tell me if you see anything (before the crazy post-covid spending).

Canadians will not be spending more on beer if they drink Molson instead of Bud. And US consumers can buy Vermont maple syrup instead of Canadian without much extra impact on their pockets. Markets can sort themselves out on their own without hyperinflation. I'm not saying certain producers won't get hurt badly if they depend primarily on exports (while other producers might gain). But tariffs are not a direct tax on consumers.

My guess: US consumers will feel this in their pocketbooks until things settle. Tariffs do affect consumers, though it is an indirect effect. As for the maple syrup example, here is only so much American produced maple syrup to go around, and you obviously know what happens with supply vs demand. That is just one item though. I expect the markets will experience some major bumps as we aren’t just talking maple syrup and beer. Could be weeks that this goes on, or it could be much longer. Sort of depends on what the government does (or doesn’t) do.

As for Canadians, they are going to vote with their own dollars. There are some incensed Canadians that are going to boycott US items. Including that Florida trip.

 

[Sandisw]

This is getting away from the topic and into the gray area I discussed. Feel free to move this to the board that allows controversial topics.