Wish DVC day who qualifies to do it??

[murmer]

I have a blue card membership for DVC but have all resell points. My first two sets of DVC resell were after 2011 but before the change to white card and blue card members. So we have a blue card. We also recently (as in our points loaded today) got another resale with all the restrictions. Today we tried to get a Wish cruise room and were told we didn’t qualify? So what is the criteria to be a DVC member for the early cruise booking?

 

[Marionnette]

I have a blue card membership for DVC but have all resell points. My first two sets of DVC resell were after 2011 but before the change to white card and blue card members. So we have a blue card. We also recently (as in our points loaded today) got another resale with all the restrictions. Today we tried to get a Wish cruise room and were told we didn’t qualify? So what is the criteria to be a DVC member for the early cruise booking?

You would need to book at least one passenger on the cruise with points that were purchased prior to March 11, 2011. That's when the first round of resale restrictions went into effect. Those restrictions barred resale buyers from using their points on the Disney Collection, the Concierge Collection or the Adventurer Collection.

 

[murmer]

You would need to book at least one passenger on the cruise with points that were purchased prior to March 11, 2011. That's when the first round of resale restrictions went into effect. Those restrictions barred resale buyers from using their points on the Disney Collection, the Concierge Collection or the Adventurer Collection.

That was for the member cruise. I am talking about the early booking that starts today for DVC anD ABD people. There is no info that says you have to have qualifying point just that you have to be a member which so far has meant blue card. We didn’t do the member cruise because we knew that required qualified points we didn’t have.

 

[Marionnette]

That was for the member cruise. I am talking about the early booking that starts today for DVC anD ABD people. There is no info that says you have to have qualifying point just that you have to be a member which so far has meant blue card. We didn’t do the member cruise because we knew that required qualified points we didn’t have.

Okay. My misunderstanding. What number did you call? Disney Vacation Club Members should call Member Services at (800) 800-9800 to book with Reservation Points or (866) 325-6348 to book with cash.

 

[murmer]

Okay. My misunderstanding. What number did you call? Disney Vacation Club Members should call Member Services at (800) 800-9800 to book with Reservation Points or (866) 325-6348 to book with cash.

Our travel agent called whatever number travel agents called and was told we don’t qualify although we have blue card. I am wondering if the brand new resale we just got somehow screwed up our account? Which is why I want to verify the criteria (which level of membership) gets to book today. Since calling to find out if ms screwed up will take ungodly hours today.

 

[kristenabelle]

I have a blue card membership for DVC but have all resell points. My first two sets of DVC resell were after 2011 but before the change to white card and blue card members. So we have a blue card. We also recently (as in our points loaded today) got another resale with all the restrictions. Today we tried to get a Wish cruise room and were told we didn’t qualify? So what is the criteria to be a DVC member for the early cruise booking?

We're in the same boat as you (maybe pun intended?) and can't use our post-2011, pre-cad restriction resales for cruises or Disney collection hotels. But we only have 270 anyway, so booking a cruise would be a colossal waste for us.

Edit: Ah, sorry - misunderstood the question.

 

[JETSDAD]

I believe I read a conversation on FB where it was found that early DVC booking (cash bookings but the early window) required not only a blue card but also having cruise qualifying points. So a blue card with resale points from pre-2011 or direct points. I don't know how accurate it is but that's what was being discussed.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

That was for the member cruise. I am talking about the early booking that starts today for DVC anD ABD people. There is no info that says you have to have qualifying point just that you have to be a member which so far has meant blue card. We didn’t do the member cruise because we knew that required qualified points we didn’t have.

The earliest change in 2011 meant resale points purchased after that time did not qualify for cruising. And you needed to have some qualified points to even be able to book on the member cruise on cash also however I don't recall anyone mentioning about still trying to book on cash thru DVC for other cruises. So if all your points come after the first 2011 resale restriction then I'd think it is probable that you don't qualify to book as a DVC member. That restriction was before the blue card/white card split. The blue card/white card split is about discounts on AP's, restaurant and merchandise discounts and being able to attend things like Moonlight magic. But the ABD/Cruising split happened way back with the 2011 restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

Our travel agent called whatever number travel agents called and was told we don’t qualify although we have blue card. I am wondering if the brand new resale we just got somehow screwed up our account? Which is why I want to verify the criteria (which level of membership) gets to book today. Since calling to find out if ms screwed up will take ungodly hours today.

I think people confuse blue card and qualifying points.

The blue card entitled you to membership perks. Things cruises and the Disney collection require you to have qualified points, regardless of the color of your card.

It sounds like today’s booking opened for DVC owners who have points eligible for cruises.

Only points are resale bought before 2011 or points bought direct from Disney.

And, white card or blue card, everyone is a member.

 

[supersnoop]

The earliest change in 2011 meant resale points purchased after that time did not qualify for cruising. And you needed to have some qualified points to even be able to book on the member cruise on cash also however I don't recall anyone mentioning about still trying to book on cash thru DVC for other cruises. So if all your points come after the first 2011 resale restriction then I'd think it is probable that you don't qualify to book as a DVC member. That restriction was before the blue card/white card split. The blue card/white card split is about discounts on AP's, restaurant and merchandise discounts and being able to attend things like Moonlight magic. But the ABD/Cruising split happened way back with the 2011 restrictions.

Wow, they really make this confusing, then. Does a 25 point direct contract qualify you to book the cruise for cash, or do you need the 125 point minimum direct for that? It seems like any direct contract should open up that option.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Wow, they really make this confusing, then. Does a 25 point direct contract qualify you to book the cruise for cash, or do you need the 125 point minimum direct for that? It seems like any direct contract should open up that option.

Oh - that's a good question! When it started of course there still was no minimum and it was just that you needed to own a qualified contract to book the member cruise on cash.

Conclusion: DVC looks to be kind of a mess in this area in that they went past the qualified points part and added a Membership Extra criteria to the Disney Collection and possibly the Member Cruise.


Here's what I found and think it looks like as of now you'd have to buy 125 pts direct to be able to do anything within the Disney collection. It looks like it muddies the water a bit between qualified points and membership extras in a way I wasn't aware was happening. The red is my highlighting.

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Important Information about Membership Extras:

Membership Extras, such as vacation options in the Disney and Concierge Collections, certain discounts, offers, and special events are incidental benefits. These incidental benefits are subject to change or termination without notice, may require the payment of a fee and cannot be combined with any other offers or promotions. Membership Extras are also subject to availability and block-out dates may apply, including high periods of demand such as Christmas and New Year’s Day. To receive any Membership Extras, purchasers must present a valid Disney Vacation Club Membership Card along with a corresponding valid photo ID. Effective October 19, 2020, to obtain a Disney Vacation Club Membership Card, Members must accumulate a total of at least 125 Vacation Points purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc. Disney and Concierge Collections options are not available for ownership interests not purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc. after March 21, 2011, and, effective April 4, 2016, Members who have not purchased an ownership interest directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc. will not have access to Membership Extras.
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The actual Member Cruise has different wording and it is a charter so doesn't fall under the Disney Collection and I think it could be interpreted that you could still pay cash as long as you own one direct contract. It's possible that tacking on the 125 point notice is meant to mean you must be a qualified blue card holder too but it doesn't have it as specified as it does for normal cruise exchanges.

• Effective March 21, 2011, Members who do not purchase their Ownership Interests directly from Disney will not be able to use those Vacation Points to make reservations for the Member Cruise. If a Member wishes to pay entirely in cash, they must still own at least one Contract with Ownership Interests purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc. Effective October 19, 2020, to obtain a Disney Vacation Club Membership Card, Members must accumulate a total of at least 125 Vacation Points purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc.

ie - They really need to review these things and write the for better clarity. My interpretation - if you are resale only after 2011 you can't participate in the Disney Collection nor on the Member Cruise. More than that I'd think it could be argued that having a directly purchased contract after March 2011 means you could pay cash for the member cruise although I'd bet they mean that if you were just doing that today you'd have to get 125 pts but maybe not.

There's a gap I see though if you are an after 2011 purchaser and pre-April 2016 who was grandfathered in for incidental benefits (are a blue card holder). I wonder what they'd do if they added on 25 pts as they'd meet the criteria of owning a direct contract plus they are qualified for benefits. I think they'd have to allow them to book both the Disney collection and the Member Cruise on cash.