Winter Olympics No Video Thread

[disneyseniors]

The most noticeable scoring controversies involved Canadians to be honest. Americans won medals regularly and golds at that. Against Russians. Canadians were blocked from podiums because of the old horse trading that use to happen. I remember watching the ice dance at Salt Lake and seeing the Canadian pair skate an amazing free dance, until the very end when the final movement had a problem. Commentator just went, and there is the excuse to keep them off the podium. It was always hilarious that Canadians medaled and won championships at Worlds and Grand Prix final only to skate the same at the Olympics and not medal.

As for judging now. Most of the biggest controversies have been in the park events of skiing and snowboarding. People connected with the X Games being completely dumbfounded by some of the results at every Olympics since park events were added.

I don't remember the Canadian controversies, I guess. I was too focused on the outright cheating by the Russian judges on the American teams. Very frustrating to watch. They even looked mean. There was a lot of controversy back then it seems. I am so glad that favoritism is not rampant like it was way back then.

 

[soccerdad72]

US Curling!!

 

[DrMont]

I don't remember the Canadian controversies, I guess. I was too focused on the outright cheating by the Russian judges on the American teams. Very frustrating to watch. They even looked mean. There was a lot of controversy back then it seems. I am so glad that favoritism is not rampant like it was way back then.

I am afraid it still is rampant, the public just doesn't see it. But that is always the case with any event that has 'judges' grading performance.

 

[Lesverts]

I am afraid it still is rampant, the public just doesn't see it. But that is always the case with any event that has 'judges' grading performance.

There hasn't been a major controversy in figure skating scoring since 2014. Most of the controversy now is traditionalists complaining that there is no artistry left. Especially in the men's that have just become how many jumps can he cram into a program and pairs with how many big throws and jumps can we put into the program.

 

[DCLMP]

You must not have watched 25 years ago or so. The Russian judges Always gave very low scores to American skaters even though the other countries gave them High scores. It was very noticeable. That was when you saw the judges give their individual scores after every event. It was so obvious that they would not give Americans any recognition at all. It soured me on watching the olympics for a while. It seems so much more fair now and I'm glad of that because skating is my favorite Olympic sport. Things are much better now with fair scoring.

Back then figure skating was very subjective from the local level to the international level. It was not just a Russian thing. All countries tended to score their skaters higher. It's good they went to a different system.

 

[RedAngie]

I remember in 2002 the Canadian pair skaters gave arguably the best performance but received suspiciously low scores from one or more judges. An investigation showed that the Russian and French judges colluded to have the athletes from their countries win different events. i.e. “Hey French judge, score the Canadians low and let us Russians win the pairs, then we’ll score your competition low in ice dancing where France will win.”

The Canadian pair were belated awarded a shared gold instead of the silver.

And I think the judges involved were either suspended or banned.

And the skating world dumped the very subjective 6.0 scoring system.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

It's Doubles luge time!!! Practice runs.

 

[prairie_girl]

Looking forward to hockey!

Have the US women not played a game yet? Canada has played two so I guess I assumed everyone had started.

ETA- sorry for assuming you’re American if you’re not.

 

[soccerdad72]

Have the US women not played a game yet? Canada has played two so I guess I assumed everyone had started.

ETA- sorry for assuming you’re American if you’re not.

They’ve played three games (3-0).

The poster might be referring to the men’s tournament

 

[prairie_girl]

They’ve played three games (3-0).

The poster might be referring to the men’s tournament

I know. I’m just subtly pointing out that there’s women’s hockey too

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

It's 90s night in ice dancing, and everyone chooses junk. But our couple chooses Lenny Kravitz. Give them the Gold right now just for that.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Looks like Vonn injured her left leg (the one that had the acl tear) in a complex tibia fracture which sounds incredibly painful. I am not surprised it was her left leg either, with her acl tear it would make it more susceptible one would think to a subsequent injury and the tear could have compromised her overall stability.

 

[jennab]

Anyone else watching the mixed doubles curling golf medal game right now?? Curling is my fav Olympic sport

 

[soccerdad72]

Anyone else watching the mixed doubles curling golf medal game right now?? Curling is my fav Olympic sport

I'm trying to - but all three channels on YouTube TV right now are showing the same thing - men's short program figure skating.

 

[jennab]

I'm trying to - but all three channels on YouTube TV right now are showing the same thing - men's short program figure skating.

Oh no! Do you have peacock? That’s how I’m watching. You think it’d be on as it’s a gold medal game

 

[soccerdad72]

Oh no! Do you have peacock? That’s how I’m watching. You think it’d be on as it’s a gold medal game

Eventually one of the channels switched over, so I saw the last 4 ends or so. No Peacock, unfortunately.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

HOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOONK

Hockey. USA women beat Canada 5-0.

 

[jrmasm]

HOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOOOONK HOOOOOOOOONK

Hockey. USA women beat Canada 5-0.

Oh boy!

 

[Suger Mag]

Looks like Vonn injured her left leg (the one that had the acl tear) in a complex tibia fracture which sounds incredibly painful. I am not surprised it was her left leg either, with her acl tear it would make it more susceptible one would think to a subsequent injury and the tear could have compromised her overall stability.

tibial plateau fracture this will be her third of this kind

It is common in skiing, and also car vehicle accidents. it is caused by the femur smashing into the top of the tibia. In all likelihood the ACL tear had nothing to do with the tibia plateau fracture as the ACL simply connects the two bones together. so it being there would not prevent this fracture... or even mitigate it. That would be the job of the two meniscus to cushion the condyles of the femur.. and they did not stand a chance in the 60+ mph high energy impact.

if you look at the type of fracture it is,. you could see how it could easily be caused by a skiing impact.. or jumping from a height and not bending the leg.. or being in a front end impact car accident with your legs extended.



multiple skiing experts have come out and said the crash had nothing to do with her ACL.

She chose an aggressive tight line and hooked a gate with her arm which spun her. Other skiers also have had trouble with that gate.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

tibial plateau fracture this will be her third of this kind

It is common in skiing, and also car vehicle accidents. it is caused by the femur smashing into the top of the tibia. In all likelihood the ACL tear had nothing to do with the tibia plateau fracture as the ACL simply connects the two bones together. so it being there would not prevent this fracture... or even mitigate it. That would be the job of the two meniscus to cushion the condyles of the femmur.. they did not stand a chance in the 60+ mph high energy impact

if you look at the the of fracture it is,. you could see how it could easily be caused by a skiing impact.. or jumping from a height and not bending the leg.. or being in a front end impact car accident with your legs extended.

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multiple skiing experts have come out and said the crash had nothing to do with her ACL.

She chose an aggressive tight line and hooked a gate with her arm which spun her. Other skiers also have had trouble with that gate.

I appreciate your comments on the subject I truly do but I feel that you're taking comments on a personal level as each time someone says something about Vonn's injuries you step in, I understand you skied in the past but just because a poster says something does not mean they are attacking the sport itself.

We all understand injuries are common in sports and each sport has common injuries associated with it. And yes a car accident can cause a tibia fracture but that goes into you taking it personal because I didn't say the only way to have a tibia fracture is to ski down a hill with an ACL injury.

I also understand why a doctor would say that her prior ACL injury had nothing to do with that crash but I think it's important to understand there's causality and susceptibility. Her ACL tear does not have to physically cause her to hit the gate to then have a tibia fracture, it can however cause someone to be more susceptible to subsequent injuries or impact overall stability. I mentioned this on another thread on a completely different topic months ago but my neighbor had a fall years back and had a moderate concussion, he is now susceptible to future concussions (as advised by his doctor). Years ago I rolled my ankle badly enough to cause a sprain and my ankle never fully healed right, I am more susceptible to future rolling of my ankle. My husband's coworker injured his leg several months back, was given a knee scooter, lost his balance using the knee scooter and further injured (unfortunately more badly) that injured leg.

Just because other skiers have had issues with that gate does not have any bearing on Vonn's crash all things considered. Any clipping of any gate can cause someone to have a crash, blaming a specific gate is appropriate when you're looking at how crash stats or timing stats, not when you're discussing a specific skier and a specific injury.

I do hope you aren't offended at my comments as your insight into the sport is nice but none of us have a stake in Vonn's career we're just talking and giving our opinions or thoughts about the Olympics