Wine and Dine 2015

[Miranda]

The skirt I got was the kind with the built in compression shorts so no capris underneath for me.

 

[AThrillingChase]

This may be my first post on here- so hi! I actually had the same ticket question and got an awesome cast member when I called Monday to make my final payment so asked. She said that even though I ordered the tickets from the web link, I could call up to 5 days before my trip starts to add days or upgrade- but can't do it after that has passed or once you get there.

Welcome! And thank you for sharing this!

 

[margitmouse]

.........
So Im gonna throw this idea out to our little group today. Whether your running lately had made you happy or not, what do you feel happy about in your running or what have you learned from running lately? (And it's ok if you say I'm happy about the awesome medal!)

So, I'm a few pages late with this response, but here goes....!!


I had a breakthrough last weekend, and I'm so grateful to have a place to share it with people who understand!
I ran my 13 mile training run , preparing for W&D and for a January challenge. This is only the 3rd time I've run this distance. I went out too fast, I got a blister from shoes I've been wearing for 3 months- had to steal one of my husbands socks at the 6.5 mark when he met me,- and it was really hot and humid,
But I finished! Not only finished, but cut 16 minutes off my previous time and was not crippled in the process! What I'm so super excited though is more about what it seems to have done in my head, in my psyche.

I've been feeling so off track since last winters terrible snowstorms and not running and then contracting Lyme earlier this summer, I've been feeling so weak, physically out of sorts and doubting that I would feel physically strong again.
But last weekend changed that.
I feel STRONG!
I see myself as a runner, I FEEL like a runner!

I couldn't wait to get to my run group tonight, and when we were done with our drills, I ran an extra 1.5 miles!!
I'm sooo excited for this race, I'm so grateful to be running!

Thanks everyone for all of the experience you share here. Your highs and lows, I have learned from them ALL!!

 

[FFigawi]

Thank you. Strangely I went to the running store today and she was telling me for a half marathon I would need maybe to fuel twice.

Depending on your pace and your goals for the race, that's not unreasonable. Most people do well refueling every 45-60 minutes. That could be anywhere from once to three or four times during a half based on how fast you're going and if you're on the 45 or 60-minute end of the scale.

 

[Miranda]

Thank you. Strangely I went to the running store today and she was telling me for a half marathon I would need maybe to fuel twice. I got some Clif Shot Blocks and a Huma Gel to try.

The girl at the running store was telling me something similar the first time I went. She seemed confused when I said I was going to be carrying 3-4 gels with me and said she eats one and carries a backup one "just in case"... but she was also a tiny speedy thing that runs a 1:30 half marathon.

 

[DWorldOrBust]

I fueled every 3 miles during the Disneyland Half a couple weeks ago. It worked out really well because the water stations were pretty close to the mile points. So I would grab a cup of water to wash down my gel packet. I also took one at the finish of the race to avoid a crash. I will stick with this plan for the W/D 1/2. =)

 

[flatlandcycle]

Don't forget that this stuff we are consuming is from junk food companies. If I were to consume this stuff every run I would be 10 lbs. heaver, and probably have type 2 diabetes. I tend to agree with the speedy runners. Crashing, bonking or hitting the wall has more to do with choosing the correct pace than fueling choice. There have been studies that show just swishing something sweet in your mouth and spitting it out, results in similar performance to exhaustion, when compared to the group that swallows. One lone voice on a forum won't change decades of marketing/programming. Oh well.

 

[Pleglech]

Don't forget that this stuff we are consuming is from junk food companies. If I were to consume this stuff every run I would be 10 lbs. heaver, and probably have type 2 diabetes. I tend to agree with the speedy runners. Crashing, bonking or hitting the wall has more to do with choosing the correct pace than fueling choice. There have been studies that show just swishing something sweet in your mouth and spitting it out, results in similar performance to exhaustion, when compared to the group that swallows. One lone voice on a forum won't change decades of marketing/programming. Oh well.

+1
For most runners, there's no physiological reason to take in calories during a half. You simply aren't going to deplete your glycogen stores over that distance.
If you feel like it gives you a pick-me-up, go right ahead. If you like a jolt of caffeine, knock yourself out. But if you're bonking, it's probably because you're running too fast for your current fitness -- not because you didn't eat enough.

 

[flatlandcycle]

Oral carbohydrate sensing and exercise performance:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20453646

 

[lovingeire]

Depending on your pace and your goals for the race, that's not unreasonable. Most people do well refueling every 45-60 minutes. That could be anywhere from once to three or four times during a half based on how fast you're going and if you're on the 45 or 60-minute end of the scale.

The girl at the running store was telling me something similar the first time I went. She seemed confused when I said I was going to be carrying 3-4 gels with me and said she eats one and carries a backup one "just in case"... but she was also a tiny speedy thing that runs a 1:30 half marathon.

I am definitely not speedy. I run about a 13mm. I'm ok with my pace for now, although trying to keep it under 13mm when I can. My goal is really just to complete the race with enough time for a few picture stops, and not to feel like death when done so we can go to the after party.

Don't forget that this stuff we are consuming is from junk food companies. If I were to consume this stuff every run I would be 10 lbs. heaver, and probably have type 2 diabetes. I tend to agree with the speedy runners. Crashing, bonking or hitting the wall has more to do with choosing the correct pace than fueling choice. There have been studies that show just swishing something sweet in your mouth and spitting it out, results in similar performance to exhaustion, when compared to the group that swallows. One lone voice on a forum won't change decades of marketing/programming. Oh well.

This makes sense to me. It's one of the reasons I haven't fueled before. I took up running for a few reasons, but one of them was to lose weight, so eating while exercising seems counter productive to me. But I had such a horrible 9.5 mile run I figure it's worth trying to see if they help.

 

[Ariel484]

This makes sense to me. It's one of the reasons I haven't fueled before. I took up running for a few reasons, but one of them was to lose weight, so eating while exercising seems counter productive to me. But I had such a horrible 9.5 mile run I figure it's worth trying to see if they help.

Absolutely. As Coach Charles use to say... "We are all an experiment of one." Find what works for you and stick with it.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

+1
For most runners, there's no physiological reason to take in calories during a half. You simply aren't going to deplete your glycogen stores over that distance.
If you feel like it gives you a pick-me-up, go right ahead. If you like a jolt of caffeine, knock yourself out. But if you're bonking, it's probably because you're running too fast for your current fitness -- not because you didn't eat enough.

Exactly right. I never fuel in runs short of 15-16 miles. I see no boost when I do. But my performance falls off if I do not fuel on runs longer than that. I totally bonk at 22 miles without fueling.

 

[ZellyB]

One of the things I learned with my experimenting is that I need to start sooner if I'm going to be doing it or I'll be behind, which is why I start around 40-45 minutes. I don't need fuel for a run that length, or even really up to 10K (~1:15 for me, although I will take it during a race for a boost), but much longer than that and I do, and it's not enough to start fueling at that point.

I absolutely agree with this. I don't bother with fuel for anything in the 6-7 mile range. I can do 8 without fueling as well, but just don't feel as good. So, generally speaking anything planned over 7, I fuel. I usually will eat between the 3-4 mile mark and then about every 3-4 miles after.

I'd also say that for me in races it gives me a comfort factor to fuel. It may or may not make a big difference for me, but I don't want to take any chances. Eating something isn't going to hurt anything (other than maybe giving me some calories I don't need) and if it psychologically gives me a boost, then good for me.

I firmly second @Ariel484 in quoting Coach Charles. There is no one fits all plan to running. Just play around with it and see what works well for you.

 

[PrincessV]

How on earth can you eat an uncrustable while running?

Veeeeerrrrry carefully, lol! It actually wasn't any worse than gels (which I've made a mess of many times) - I just ate a small bite per walk break and kept an eye on the jelly so as not to let it ooze all over

I'm sooo excited for this race, I'm so grateful to be running!

Awesome, awesome, awesome! Congrats!!

The girl at the running store was telling me something similar the first time I went. She seemed confused when I said I was going to be carrying 3-4 gels with me and said she eats one and carries a backup one "just in case"...

I started carrying one more fuel item than I should need after once losing a gel into a swamp as I was pulling at the top to open it. Sound advice!

Don't forget that this stuff we are consuming is from junk food companies. If I were to consume this stuff every run I would be 10 lbs. heaver, and probably have type 2 diabetes. I tend to agree with the speedy runners. Crashing, bonking or hitting the wall has more to do with choosing the correct pace than fueling choice. There have been studies that show just swishing something sweet in your mouth and spitting it out, results in similar performance to exhaustion, when compared to the group that swallows. One lone voice on a forum won't change decades of marketing/programming. Oh well.

I hear what you're saying, but that just isn't the case for everyone. I know that lots of folks don't need extra fuel for running, but I can't even go 3 hours sitting at a desk without my blood sugar dropping, let alone 3 hours of running at a sustained effort. It's just how my body works and I've had 40+ years to figure out what it needs. "Experiment of 1" is so true - and how do folks know what works for their own bodies unless they experiment, right?

 

[cavepig]

This makes sense to me. It's one of the reasons I haven't fueled before. I took up running for a few reasons, but one of them was to lose weight, so eating while exercising seems counter productive to me. But I had such a horrible 9.5 mile run I figure it's worth trying to see if they help.

I think fuel is important and finding the right balance of what works for you is important. I used 2 gels at the Disneyland half, mile 4 and right before 10, without those I know I would have started to fill the woozies start (I finished in 2:06, if I was longer I would have fueled more as I based it on time not distance). I ate breakfast 2 hrs before the start so an hour into the race was already 3 hours after eating. I think fueling properly both before the race and during can very much determine if I crash, it's not only about overpacing, many factors can lead to crashing which includes blood sugar dropping or cramping from low potassium and electrolytes which get depleted at any pace you go. I trained with dried apricots last fall since they have great potassium, so there's alternatives to the processed "junk" stuff they sale, you just have to find what works for you, lots of ideas on the internet when you search. My old Cross Country coach who is a mega runner used potatoes lightly salted as fuel, high potassium, or sweet potatoes as they are even better. I know a fake swish of sugar will not work for me. Good luck finding what works for you and have fun experimenting that's what training is for!

 

[flatlandcycle]

I found a good one.

The Myths Surrounding Pre-Exercise Carbohydrate Feeding:
http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/322698

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I found a good one.

The Myths Surrounding Pre-Exercise Carbohydrate Feeding:
http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/322698

I had never heard that eating 30-60 minutes before a run could cause hypoglycemia. Glad to hear that it isn't true because I always drink Gatorade before a run.

 

[flatlandcycle]

I think it may cause hypoglycemia, if you have a predisposition, but it doesn't have an effect on performance, I suppose psychologically. One might have symptoms of hypoglycemia but not show clinical hypoglycemia. The converse may be true; you might be having hypoglycemia and not show symptoms.

Usually for a race I eat a "meal" (probably a power bar, half a banana and maybe a little yogurt) 3 hours before. I am likely to avoid carbs 90 minutes out, but for ten minutes before my corral fireworks. That is what I gleaned to be the safest from that hot mess.

 

[margitmouse]

Absolutely. As Coach Charles use to say... "We are all an experiment of one." Find what works for you and stick with it.

I like this quote!! Keeps everything in perspective!
Who is Coach Charles?
( pardon my ignorance!!)

 

[margitmouse]

My old Cross Country coach who is a mega runner used potatoes lightly salted as fuel, high potassium, or sweet potatoes as they are even better.

Someone else mentioned sweet potatoes for fuel... My question is... How do you carry a potato on a run??!?