Will Western Magic stop at Grand Cayman next month?

I have just spoke to DCL about my docs and asked where we would go instead for the 9th Oct western, she wouldn't commit to saying that GC was out but i highly doubt it, they will be busy rebuilding their lives and homes, she indicated that the port that we may go to instead would be Costa Maya as they had used it in previous changed itineraries, anyone any experiences of it ? Cheers Traycie
 
traycie2201, I would love to go to Costa Maya if we can't go to Grand Cayman. Any idea when they will make that decision for our cruise? I have a shore excursion booked on GC for horseback riding, and while I'm sure they have more important things to deal with right now, I need to let them know if we will not be arriving so that I can get a refund.

Thanks for thhe update.:)

Cindy
 
Lovemybirmans..........

We're on the same cruise with you! Just wanted to say "hello" :wave2:

We have a DD9 and a DS 12. This will be our 4th Disney cruise, and our 2nd time on the Western.

Have a great day!!!!
Fran
:teacher:
 
Hi Fran! :wave2: Nice to "meet" you!

This will be our first cruise ever and even though I can't wait, my anticipation is a little dampened with all these hurricanes. We have a DD6 and DS10 and they are very excited now that it's getting closer.

I just wish I knew where the heck we are going to be sailing to or if there will be anything left of the caribbean when we get there. We are booked for dolphin swims/encounters in Cozumel and wondering if our sailing schedule will be changing.

I'm hoping after a few sailaway cocktails I won't be as uptight about the itinerary. LOL

~ Leanne
 

Some helpful info.....

We were on the 8/28 Magic cruise that became the extended cruise because of Hurricane Frances. It is unbelievable to me how we skirted that storm and went to Grand Cayman and Cozumel and CC and all of them in just the past two weeks have sustained massive damage! We were just there! The odd part is that our island tour guide (Ralph) and my husband were talking about Frances and Ralph said, oh, we NEVER get hit with hurricanes here. Hard to believe they ended up right in the path. I KNOW they were not as prepared as places that are routinely in hurricane paths.

I think about Ralph, and our Stingray guide Daniel and his boat and home and daughter, and the wonderful people we met downtown and at the Atlantis Submarine. Hope they are all well.

As for Costa Maya, they added that to our itinerary because we couldn't go to Key West (went to CC instead to beat the hurricane). There were major thumbs up from everybody we spoke with about Costa Maya. Is now our very favorite port. Many many people from the 8/28 cruise wish Disney would make it a new port and replace Cozumel with it.

It is a relatively new port and extremely beautiful. More rustic than Cozumel, it is very green and lush. The beaches were beautiful and the town was colorful with live entertainment and performers in traditional costume all day. We took the ruins tour and the buses were the most magnificant tour buses we have ever been on. Plush and clean. The roadway was brand new. They just got telephone service to most of the houses only a few months ago. The roadway had modern street lamps lining the whole way.

Our tour guide said the dock was only six years old and the tour roadways were only three years old. They were courteous, fun and very knowledgeable people. The stores were clean and the bathrooms spotless. They also have a huge salt water swimming pool right in the middle of the plaza.

We would go back there in a heartbeat. So glad we got to see it. If you go, you are in for a real treat.
 
Invaderzim, thanks so much you make the port sound lovely, it looks lovely on the pictures, how did you book your excursion, were there dcl ones ? would you be happy booking your own non dcl ? how long were you at the port. Thanks

Cindy, i think we will be going there on Oct 9th, there are still no real communications coming out of GC, i've e mailed nativeway re our tour again i know they have better things to do right now but news is so sketchy don't want to take away business that they will need for economy without reason, i have heard that communication will be down for some time, I'm going to contact DCL again at the start of next week for verification but April did say we would be going to CC it's fine and so is the cat, cozumel and key west. Let me know if anyone hears anything else. Thanks
 
This is odd -- but the Grand Cayman webcam site is listing three cruise ships in port right now. I can't imagine that would be possible!

http://www.caymanport.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi

traycie2201 -- I will get my copy of the excursion sheet when I get home and post the excursions they were offering in Costa Maya. We took the one to the ruins and loved it.
 
Thanks for the link to those pictures. I can't get over some of the devistation there.

I know that Grand Cayman has not had a direct hit from a hurricane in many, many years. How awful.

I have to say that is my favorite port of call for DCL. :(

How sad for the residents.

Sue Ellen
 
Well I am it total shock about Grand Cayman, it was like our summer home for a while as we owned a timeshare there for years and then visited it via cruiseline annually an it is my favorite place:( One great thing about Grand Cayman is that there are a lot of afluent people and banks with money and I'm sure it will be back on its feet quickly.

I guess we have to go to a different port Costa Maya looks fairly nice, no stingrays that I know of but I'm sure the snorkeling is great;)

Here is a site Costa Maya Excursions and Tours and the place looks nice. It's not Cayman, but what is!!

I guess all we can do is make the best of it all and hope we can return to Grand Cayman in the near future. I hope everyone there is safe!
 
Here's the first credible press story I've seen about Grand Cayman. It's from the Miami Herald (<a href="http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/9676383.htm?1c">link</a>):

<b>On Caymans' biggest isle, some pick up, some pack up</b>

Three days after Ivan raked the Cayman Islands, some were beginning to clean up, but many others -- natives and tourists -- were trying to leave.

BY JACQUELINE CHARLES AND CURTIS MORGAN

jcharles@herald.com


<b>GEORGE TOWN, Grand Cayman</b> - The stunned and shaken stretched for at least a half-mile outside the battered main airport hangar, everyone waiting, hoping to get out.

Growing piles of suitcases filled the parking lot. Cars were parked for miles along the airport road, left by those who joined the line for a precious ticket out. Others killed the wait playing cards on the hoods of their cars.

Three days after Hurricane Ivan raked this largest of the Cayman Islands, pushing a wall of water into downtown banks and beachside hotels and homes, a Herald journalist was the first reporter to arrive and file an eyewitness account of Ivan's destruction. Some people were beginning to pick up but many others were packing up -- natives and tourists alike.

Cayman islanders Richard Collett and Kirsten McMillan, cuddling 4-month-old Jacob, dressed only in diapers because of the stifling heat, were awaiting a charter to England after knee-high flood waters and a collapsed roof left their home in South Sound, south of the capital city, a gutted mess.

''Even the fish were swimming in our living room,'' Collett said. They didn't expect to return for at least six weeks.

They were far from the only homeless. The government of the British territory issued a preliminary estimate that Ivan had left half the island's 15,000 private homes uninhabitable. Almost no one had power, and there were shortages of gas and water and growing fears about food. The government imposed a 6 p.m.-6 a.m. curfew.

Conditions were far better on the other two islands, Little Cayman and Cayman Brac, farther from Ivan's fiercest winds.

<b>`A MIRACLE'</b>

Still, almost everyone seemed amazed things were not worse.

The government said no one had been killed and there were no reports of missing persons on an island of 39,000. By comparison, Ivan killed 39 people on Grenada.

''I think this was a miracle,'' said Denise Cummings, whose husband is acting administrator of the Cayman Islands Hospital. The Sunday Ivan hit, police and emergency workers were besieged with terrified calls. The sea rose 4 ½ feet in her home. She expected to see casualties, and rumors of bodies persist.

''The calls were coming in, calls from people in distress, their roofs collapsing, the water rising above their waists and to their necks,'' she said. ``All we could do was tell them to get to the highest points.''

The damage is widespread and serious, some of the worst along the island's top tourist spot, Seven Mile Beach. Virtually every hotel appears to have suffered a significant hit. The Marriott had a gaping hole in its facade, a collapsed ballroom ceiling and extensive flooding. One whole side of the Comfort Suites is gone.

A spokeswoman for the Cayman Islands Tourism Office in New York City said the government had not yet assessed damage to hotels but other important buildings had escaped devastating damage.

Though part of its roof was ripped away, Owen Roberts International Airport was operating for limited flights, all for emergency relief. The hospital was running on a generator.

Along the waterfront and main business sections -- home to international banks and businesses that make the Caymans the wealthiest and most stable islands in the Caribbean -- most buildings were still standing, but many had crumbled metal roofs. Banks were expected to open today for residents and as early as Monday for international trade.

The government said emergency relief -- fuel, food, water, generators -- was on the way, along with 45 electrical workers by week's end.

<b>RUMORS ABOUND</b>

Still, rumors were rife -- of dead bodies, prison escapes and looting. One Internet site posted what claimed to be a letter from a phone exec asking for U.S. military help to safeguard transmission lines.

While most people seemed to be staying calm, some nerves were clearly fraying.

At the airport, five Air Jamaica agents had to fend off the pleadings of nearly 1,000 people encircling them to grab a seat on one of two outbound flights.

An airline employee finally grabbed a bullhorn and mounted a flatbed truck to quell trouble. ''There are only 185 seats on board,'' she bellowed. ``If you are able-bodied, please allow women with children and the elderly to go first.''

Vincent Dale, a university student doing missionary work in the Caymans, said he wasn't too upset about not making the flight. He could survive, he said, but he longed to be back home in Jamaica, which escaped with a lighter brush from Ivan.

''There is no food here. Things are getting scarce,'' he said. ``At least when I am back home there are friends I can talk to and give comfort to.''

<i>Herald staff writer Jacqueline Charles reported from the Cayman Islands; Nancy San Martin and Curtis Morgan contributed from Miami.</i>
 
Thanks invaderzim, strangely i have just received an e mail that i sent prior to ringing DCL that says " 9/16/04

Thank you for your e-mail.

Currently, there have been no modifications made to the October 9, 2004 sailing onboard the Disney
Magic."


Yeah Right !
 
Thanks for finding that Dave, I've bene looking around a lot and that's the best written about the island I've seen sofar.
 
For those of you going soon , read the Cruise Critic article in vossjemi's post. It links to a post by Matteo Uggeri, Managing Director of Island Marketing Ltd (Cayman) also known as Grand Cayman Cruise Excursions. He explains what he knows about what has happened on Grand Cayman and discusses refund policies for those who booked excursions through them.

He also mentions that his company also has excursions on Costa Maya and you can transfer your reservation from your Grand Cayman excursion to on in Costa Maya if your cruise ship is going there. On the Grandcaymanexcursions site they had a link to http://costamayacruiseexcursions.com and http://belizecruiseexcursions.com
These might give folks considering other ports some research sites.

The article was really positive and I think expresses the sense of the Caymanians better than the scare article that talked about wanting US Military intervention. The post by Mr. Uggeri seemed to put things in perspective quite well but then I always like to expect the best.
 
I re emailed DCL last night after being told 'no modificatiions planned for the 9th as posted above;

I specifically asked about how do we go about making new excursion plans in the event of the likely change , here's the reply.

'9/16/04

Thank you for your most recent e-mail.

I would like to explain, we base our short-term future plans on the most recent forecasts from the
National Weather Service. Our ship's Captain will make the final decision on any ports-of-call just
prior or during any specific sailing.'


surely with the devastation in GC they should be making plans for alternate ports now so that people can change excursions instead of letting us know last minute ? has anyone been told in advance about changes or do you only find out on board ?
 
I'm sure they will when they have a firm idea of where that substitute port will be. Was discussing it with DW(wdwlvr), and she makes a very valid point. It's one thing to switch ports on an emergency basis, it is a different story if they have to negotiate for a regular stop. I think right now they probably have a cruise-by-cruise basis plan in place and talks going with someone to have a port stop till GC is servicable again.

Probably whoever is replying to your email only has the answer you got at hand.


And on things on the island, no real news updates at this point, I think right now the biggest focus is beginning the cleanup process by opening up roads and such.

This fellow is keeping the photo site updated with more pictures (and now video) as the roads are cleared: http://www.davidolson.com
 
Justed wanted to thank Dave, Mark and CM_Mom for all of the informative news on Cayman Island. My husband and I spent one week of our honeymoon there and truly appreciated the island's beauty. It was the deciding factor on picking the Western instead of the Eastern.
 
You're welcome. I've only spent the port day on the Western there and it really made an impresison on me, as I've said above, I'd be willing to go there directly, no cruise even, over the other ports on both eastern/western(been on both). I'd been looking up info just for myself, but thought others who have been there would appreciate some kind of updated info, after discovering such info was being quite elusive. I don't quite agree with the govenment policy in limiting media they are instituting there, think its doing more harm than good. A lot of people have this illusion that everything's fine there due to the lack of news media reports.

No new news today. I'll repost this part here if anyone wants to help out, this is the official source to do so.

--------------------------------------------------

The Cayman Islands Hurricane Relief Fund
Account #621506296065 with JP Morgan Chase Manhattan Bank.
The funds will be used to buy necessary relief/medical supplies,
rebuilding materials and other items needed by the families left without
homes.

Checks can be payable to: The Cayman Islands Hurricane Relief Fund and can
be mailed to:

The Cayman Islands Department of Tourism
3 Park Ave 39th Fl
NY, NY 10016
JPMorgan Chase Bank
60 East 42nd Street
NYC, NY 10165
ABA#021000021
Swift Code for international use only:CHASUS33

Supply Drop off Points
--------------------------------------------------------------

Cayman Airways Cargo Ltd.
6025 NW 18th St
Building 716 East Suite 2E
Miami International Airport, FL 33152
(305) 526-3190

Tortuga Rum Company LTD
4202 Southwest 142nd Ave
Miami, FL 33186
(305) 378-6668

Cox Cayman Relief
Cox Lumber Company
3300 Fairfield Ave So.
St. Petersburg Fl 33712
(727) 369-2520 Tel
Email: caymanrelief@coxlumber.com

Storage Facility in Houston:

5711 Will Clayton Pkwy
Houston, TX 77032
(corner of Will Clayton and Lee Road)
no telephone

Supplies Needed:

* Generators
* Transistor Radios
* Batteries
* Battery powered lanterns
* Canned Food
* Blankets
* Water
* Water filtration systems
* Tents
* Cots
* Plywood
* Chainsaws
* Plastic cans for fuel

Cayman Airways is operating an aggressive, yet restricted flight schedule
into the Grand Cayman airport. For more information please call (800)
G-Cayman.
 
I think one of the reasons we will only get vaugue answers at this point is that Disney is probably getting the same from GC. Despite the horrible devestation, the island thrive on tourism and I'm sure they are really pushing to get ships back there. So they may be keeping curise lines in the dark until they absolutely have to decide where to go.

I also don't know anything about the contractrual obligations cruise lines have with ports. Like one poster said, it is one thing to change ports in an emergency situation, it may be far more complex to change a scheduled stop.

Also we need to keep in mind that Disney is only one of many cruise lines and ships that stop at these ports. It isn't like they can say, oh heck we'll just go Here on Tuesday. There is probably a lot of corordination and negotiations that have to be delt with.

So I would suggest we just be patient and see where the tides take us. I'm more concerned about getting to Florida than where we go. Fortueneatley it looks like Jeanne may not give us too much trouble there.
 

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