will we get caught?

[BethR]

Speedyf - I do take offense to your post that most people have broken laws!

momxx5, please don't be offended at a statement that clearly did not describe you.

Although you never have done any of the things that speedyf mentioned, I am fairly certain that you are in the minority.

 

[beattyfamily]

We just returned at the beginning of June. We had purchased tickets through Ticketmania and were required to do the bio-scan upon entry each day into the park.

Sometimes....the bio-scan part of the gate was not operational and they would just let you get through with your ticket and no scan (depending on which line you were in). But, most of the time....we were required to do the scan.

As for the moral issues....I don't know anyone that has not broken a rule or law at some point in their life. Have you ever driven just 1 mph over the posted speed limit? Have you ever passed another slow moving vehicle (car, tractor, etc) in a no passing zone? Have you ever "gunned it" to try to make a yellow light and actually caught the red light but continued anyway? Have you or your child ever left a store without paying for something insignificant (candy bar, etc) and after arriving home realized what you did...but, did not think it was worth a long drive back to the store for such an insignificant amount of money?

These are all laws that get broken every day...and I'm sure there are probably hundreds more.

I don't personally know everyone here...but, don't preach about breaking laws or rules unless you have never broken any rule or any law in your entire life. That's my opinion.

Speed

Justify it all you want if it makes you feel better.

You are comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't matter if we are all human and all have broken a law or a rule a time in our lives, we still can and should give our opinion on a moral issue when it is asked. Just because we might have broken a rule or a law in our lives doesn't mean we can't judge or comment when others ask our opinion on whether it's wrong on not. Come on now.

If you don't want negative responses, don't ask moral questions; it's SO simple.

 

[speedyf]

momxx5...

I'm sorry to have offended you. Since you have not broken ANY rule or law your entire life, you may judge the original poster.

My list was just a few examples. I'm sure there are many more. I know alot of people who purchase things on the internet, but don't list the items on their state tax return (in Louisiana, we are required to pay state sales tax on internet purchases).

Even accidentally breaking the law....as ignorance is no excuse. A single paper cup in the back of a pick-up truck that might blow out onto the road while the truck is moving (littering). Leaving a drink on the back of your car and taking off without knowing about it (littering).

If you can honestly say that you have never broken one rule or one law, knowingly or unknowingly, then go ahead and judge the original poster.

Again...just my opinion....since people will judge him or her anyway.

Speed

 

[speedyf]

Just because we might have broken a rule or a law in our lives doesn't mean we can't judge or comment when others ask our opinion on whether it's wrong on not. Come on now.

If you don't want to negative responses, don't ask moral questions; it's SO simple.

I don't think the OP wanted to be judged. They were just asking a simple question. I didn't see him or her ask "I know you can't transfer tickets, but is it moral for me to break the rules and try to do it anyway?"

If you don't want to just answer the original question without being judgemental and posting a negative response, then don't respond to the question. Of course, this is an internet message board...so, that will never happen...lol

Judge me all you want. I have driven over the speed limit and I have been ticketed (when I was younger) for speeding. Go ahead...judge all you want.

I'll shut my trap now....I'm sure these "moral" issues have been batted around about a billion times on this message board without a winner or loser. I guess it was my turn. I won't do it again....lol

Speed

 

[jeancbpugh]

Until the Magic Your Way passes were introduced, you definately could "share" passes with friends and family.

Just FYI, in the past you could "get away" with sharing a pass, but you were breaking Disney rules.

 

[WDWorBUST]

For goodness sake - will everyone just simmer down I got immediately slammed for using the word "values" in my response. And accused of never breaking a law. First and foremost I answered a question as to how Disney loses revenue - that was my opinon on why they want the tickets transferable. I was trying nicely to say what "I" would do....not what anyone else "should" do. Plain and simple we can all do whatever we want and what we can personally live with - and when you get right down it it that's the black and white of it. I never judged the OP for asking - I agree with the old tickets to say they were non-transferable was just silly to a point. With the new ticketing I understand why Disney doesn't want them to be transferable...but it doesn't matter if I understand it or not...that's the rule. As with any other rules some people will break them some will not - and I don't care what others do. I guess that's what I get for trying to think through my wording and be tactful on an obviously explosive issue.

 

[DianeV]

OK how does this always get turned into a "moral" issue? Maybe to someone else it has to do with "morals" but I think you have to be trying pretty hard to justify that kind of statement..

To go on about the little "rules" broken..has anyone ever tasted a grape in the bunch before buying to see if they are sour? STEALING! Has anyone ever went in the Express lane with 1 item too many? CHEATING!

I am sorry but I do not believe for a minute there is ANYONE out there who has NEVER done anything wrong....and some dont really think that using a family members ticket is "wrong" and some dont feel that using a refillable mug again is "wrong"..but I'm sure they can still sleep at night and arent worried they will go to the "other" line when they depart this world

With all this energy in bashing people cant that energy be used for much more important things?

Oh and as far as Disney changing their tickets because of ebay etc..If you think about it you will realize that the most likely reason is to get people to buy more days and spend more money by coming back. Pretty simple

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Why are people reamed for being judgemental when they question the breaking of a law?

_maybe its because some realize there are more important things to worry about in life then a family member using another family members ticket??[

More likely, the one that got called out for contemplating something illegal already knows it's bad behavior and is trying to rationalize it by attacking the person pointing it out. And of course we know the op knew it was behavior that was not allowed. Hence the title of the thread was will we get caught rather than is this ok.

There will always be people who think they are above the law/rules, and they will always get mad when someone questions their integrity. That's just the way th cookie crumbles.

DING DING DING!!! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!!! and that's exactly what went on in this thread.

 

[beattyfamily]

I'm sure these "moral" issues have been batted around about a billion times on this message board without a winner or loser.

Yep, it's been discussed a million times (should I buy my 3 year old a pass? should I try and sneak 5 people into my room?) and it will happen again many times over. Someone will ask if they can get away with something that's breaking the rules or the policies of Disney and some will say "yeah, go for it", and others will say "no, it's wrong" and they'll be called "judgemental", the "moral police", and "holier then thou" and be told that if they've EVER done anything wrong they have no right to comment on how it is wrong or immoral etc...it will never end.

 

[welovedis]

will we get caught?

From the title of the thread and the use of the word caught , my take was that the OP knew it was not ok to do but wondered if they would be found out by having to use the biometric scan.

 

[DianeV]

No what went on in this thread is some people judging someone for asking a question. For insinuating that because "they" would never dream of doing some of these things that those who do have no morals. I ask again as I have asked in other threads..do you really think that if Disney was worried about the mugs, kids getting in free etc. issues they would do something about it?

I swear some of the posters on here are more worried then Disney is!

And as I just stated the most obvious reason for the change in how the tickets are is simple. Get the people to buy more days so they have to come back and spend more money...that is very obvious

I just dont understand how some can come on here and post the things they do..would you talk to someone like this in "real" life? I sure hope not..

 

[meandtheguys2]

Well- how about the fact that maybe she didn't know they weren't transferrable?
Wouldn't it be in every one's interest to simply answer the thread questions without personal attacks?

Not everyone knows the rules- we need to ASSUME that the OP does not know and we can then educate them. Isn't that what we are here for?

I have learned lots of things about room capacity, no toasters in the rooms, no pool hopping, etc. that I would not have known about or known to avoid doing because of the "Laws of Disney".

Isn't it the spirit of these boards to help and to be sure we all have the best possible vacation ever?

Do you shout a lot? I was merely asking a question! I didn't say a thing to the OP re. his/her personal values. I was noting the fact that anytime anyone says that something is against the rules or against the law, someone chimes in about value judgements. If people don't want a value judgement, then don't post questions like "will I get caught." A question like that ASSUMES the OP had a fairly good idea that it was/is inappropriate.

Nice friendly kind response by the way...

 

[DianeV]

Ok so why cant some just answer simply. Disney says its not allowed and leave it at that? Not put comments like "is that really something you want to do?" or "I couldnt DO that" etc..THAT is where the judging other people stuff starts

 

[BethR]

Well, they may take away my Moderator position for admitting this, but before our first trip to WDW in 1996, we bought a few leftover hopper days from our neighbor. And when my DH and I went on an adult only trip in 1999, we used our older 2 DDs' leftover hopper days so we did not have to buy any new passes. And I don't feel a bit apologetic for it. Nor do I feel as if I have compromised my morals having done so.

It is my understanding that the "Non-transferrable" clause was on the passes to discourage scalping and reselling of the passes at the infamous "Cheap Passes Here" booths surrounding the Disney area. It was not there to keep you from giving (or selling) your passes to friends, neighbors, family, PARENTS (who had PAID for the passes to BEGIN with!).

People may agree with this or not. People can make it into a morality issue. (I have been wondering how people would have answered if the question would have been posted as "Can our neighbors use our extra days?" instead of "Will we get caught?" The "morality" way that it was posted seems to attract a certain kind of poster.)

But the bottom line is that no matter what was done in the past - right, wrong, or in the middle (Has anyone ever heard of a "grey" area?) - that from now on, any passes bought for Disney will be linked to a specific person and no one can "share" passes in any manner.

And if they do not take away my moderator rights for admitting what I have, then this thread will be closed if people cannot stop being so judgemental and argumentative. It just gets old...

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

OK how does this always get turned into a "moral" issue? Maybe to someone else it has to do with "morals" but I think you have to be trying pretty hard to justify that kind of statement..

To go on about the little "rules" broken..has anyone ever tasted a grape in the bunch before buying to see if they are sour? STEALING! Has anyone ever went in the Express lane with 1 item too many? CHEATING!

I am sorry but I do not believe for a minute there is ANYONE out there who has NEVER done anything wrong....and some dont really think that using a family members ticket is "wrong" and some dont feel that using a refillable mug again is "wrong"..but I'm sure they can still sleep at night and arent worried they will go to the "other" line when they depart this world

With all this energy in bashing people cant that energy be used for much more important things?

Oh and as far as Disney changing their tickets because of ebay etc..If you think about it you will realize that the most likely reason is to get people to buy more days and spend more money by coming back. Pretty simple

I'm sure not perfect. I indeed did swipe a grape or two in my youth. It grew into a bad habit. I indeed did chew the person that caught me and used the mind your own business, you're too judgemental, don't you have something more important to do schtick but after I thought about it, I knew I was full of it and stopped the practice.

 

[beattyfamily]

I'm sure not perfect. I indeed did swipe a grape or two in my youth. It grew into a bad habit. I indeed did chew the person that caught me and used the mind your own business, you're too judgemental, don't you have something more important to do schtick but after I thought about it, I knew I was full of it and stopped the practice.

 

[imsayin]

but before our first trip to WDW in 1996, we bought a few leftover hopper days from our neighbor. And when my DH and I went on an adult only trip in 1999, we used our older 2 DDs' leftover hopper days so we did not have to buy any new passes. And I don't feel a bit apologetic for it. Nor do I feel as if I have compromised my morals having done so.

You go girl! I see no problem with this, and I consider myself a moral person. Disney makes rules to protect their financial interest. I would give leftover passes to my family if I could. The tickets were paid for, not stolen.

And for those of you who have never broken a rule or law, have you ever brought food into WDW? Just wondering, because it seems that since that is an easy one "to get away with", and Disney doesn't enforce it too much, that the majority of people do it even though the "rules" say not to. (I have and will continue to bring my snacks in!)

 

[shewelch]

gets broken while at WDW?

Just a little thing to make you go hmmm... instead of stressing this afternoon...

 

[DianeV]

I must be a really bad person because I always taste a grape before buying the bunch...and I dont think I am "full of it" for doing so and not caring...see those are the kinds of posts that keep this morality thing going on and on and on and on

 

[RADOPT]

I don't relish the thought of putting my fingers where thousands of others have, including a family member who has had chemo and definately does not want to share germs with others, can you just show your id instead of the finger scan?????

TIA!!!!!!!!!!

Disney has lots of experience with this as the make a wish is huge at WDW. If you have any issues because of the chemo, just speak to guest services. They are usually very helpful. My daughter is special needs and they helped us have a great time.

I would take lots of wipes, etc. Some of the stories about what other people do would make you want to walk around in a clean suit!!!