Will this end up being the pandemic that cried wolf?

[Darklord77]

We would have all wasted the last 5 weeks for nothing.

No we did not. We did what the original lock-down was supposed to accomplish: spread out the infections and not overwhelm hospitals. Somehow this has changed into preventing any new cases.

 

[RamblingMad]

For UVC light discussion here's this from my area from yesterday (jump to 1min 35secs in and ends at 3mins in):
https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronav...-lights-have-been-proven-to-kill-coronavirus/
*Discussion is related to disinfectant.

Listening to the discussion UVC light for home is not the target place to use it for. Ozone usage is discouraged completely for home usage.

UVC lights with respect to COVD-10 are already being used in my area for masks for first responders and police officers.

If you want to watch the whole video they do touch on social distancing efforts while engaging in outdoor activity, protests in the area, and the discussion about the potential second wave in the fall/winter.

I feel like I can reasonably social distance at a campground, but I plan to avoid heavily trafficked trails, where it’s much harder to do. The six feet rule isn’t adequate if you’re moving.

 

[TLSnell1981]

A whole lot of high risk people cannot be protected from this thing. They can't all just stay home. That is a tragedy.

That will likely be a requirement in the reopening phases. At the very least a recommendation.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

I want to apologize to those who disagree and take back something i said.
Nothing is as stupid as thinking that injecting Lysol might help the situation.

 

[RamblingMad]

No we did not. We did what the original lock-down was supposed to accomplish: spread out the infections and not overwhelm hospitals. Somehow this has changed into preventing any new cases.

No. It’s changed to: we still don’t have adequate testing to determine how successful we were.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Aren't they all staying home already? Along with everyone else?

Some are essential workers.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I want to apologize to those who disagree and take back something i said.
Nothing is as stupid as thinking that injecting Lysol might help the situation.

I had to look that up. He says he was being sarcastic. Maybe, but not the time or place...

 

[cabanafrau]

You evaded my question my now saying what is common sense in this situation. You need to be more specific and less abstract.

Go back to my comment #792 that you first took issue with. I made an abstract comment in reference to an abstract comment.

You chose to extrapolate I somehow suggested we should sacrifice the elderly so we can go out to dinner and a movie. That's very clearly all on you. I've repeatedly told you you've misconstrued my comments and my viewpoints. You are intent on your perspective, period. I cannot fix the fact that you are unhappy about being in a situation where we are forced to do battle on multiple fronts at many levels, often times unseen and misunderstood ones at that. I'm not any more happy or less frustrated about that prospect than you are. I'm also well aware that we need to be mindful about what happens on those multiple fronts at many levels when they are impacted by our decisions and our responses in our efforts to solve an urgent problem.

If you're offended by my suggestion that we should be careful and mindful about the decisions we make and the lens we use to focus our vision in order to make them, so be it. I'm not smart enough to be an expert in any of the things likely to solve the greatest portion of the myriad of problems we are facing, nor am I vain enough to think I am. I do know that it's very likely that in the face of so many unknowns that it's only logical to do the best we can with what we know and adapt to what we learn as we go along.

 

[Darklord77]

No. It’s changed to: we still don’t have adequate testing to determine how successful we were.

I actually covered that in my previous post. That was actually the third moving of the goalpost. We are now in phase 4: "we need an army of contact tracers" phase.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I actually covered that in my previous post. That was actually the third moving of the goalpost. We are now in phase 4: "we need an army of contact tracers" phase.

You know it doesn't stop at phase 4...

 

[xuxa777]

Every person you encounter has the potential to kill you.

If you were hungry and I gave you a 100 peanuts and told you that 1 of them would kill you. Would you eat them?

Actually it is a whole lot more than 100 peanuts to the 1 and would have to be allergic to peanuts for your scenario to be remotely close

 

[cabanafrau]

No we did not. We did what the original lock-down was supposed to accomplish: spread out the infections and not overwhelm hospitals. Somehow this has changed into preventing any new cases.

Somehow this has been claimed to have been about preventing any new cases or misconstrued into preventing any new cases. The intention to flatten the curve was and remains the intention. Every area isn't on the same place in the curve at the moment. Some of us live in areas that are seriously struggling still. Others live in areas where the rate of cases has been declining, others live where there hasn't been much of an identified presence of the virus. Hopefully very soon we all live in areas that can claim to be declining or pretty much untouched -- very soon and very alive and well.

 

[xuxa777]

I actually covered that in my previous post. That was actually the third moving of the goalpost. We are now in phase 4: "we need an army of contact tracers" phase.

Looking forward to the hysteria when a small outbreak of cases happens in an area, that will be contained, since we are watching it like a hawk, but will signal the end of the world to some.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Some are essential workers.

Are you advocating that EVERYONE needs to isolate until EVERYBODY feels safe?

 

[xuxa777]

Somehow this has been claimed to have been about preventing any new cases or misconstrued into preventing any new cases. The intention to flatten the curve was and remains the intention. Every area isn't on the same place in the curve at the moment. Some of us live in areas that are seriously struggling still. Others live in areas where the rate of cases has been declining, others live where there hasn't been much of an identified presence of the virus. Hopefully very soon we all live in areas that can claim to be declining or pretty much untouched -- very soon and very alive and well.

The only places seriously that are seriously struggling with it you can count on one hand and they are all declining, but it is still bad.

 

[godisney14]

For UVC light discussion here's this from my area from yesterday (jump to 1min 35secs in and ends at 3mins in):
https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronav...-lights-have-been-proven-to-kill-coronavirus/
*Discussion is related to disinfectant.

Listening to the discussion UVC light for home is not the target place to use it for. Ozone usage is discouraged completely for home usage.

It’s been long known by many (admittedly not enough) that ozone producing products in the home is more detrimental than beneficial.

I always tell people to only buy home air purifiers with a HEPA filter. I know, it’s more expensive. Not just the machine but also the replacement filters. But better than something cheaper that would actually be more detrimental long term.

Almost all of the cheaper air purifiers uses one of the following methods: ozonator, electrostatic precipitation, ionizer, and UVC light.
Don’t buy one of these.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I feel like I can reasonably social distance at a campground, but I plan to avoid heavily trafficked trails, where it’s much harder to do. The six feet rule isn’t adequate if you’re moving.

I can understand your feelings on that. We've done the same thing ourselves. We purposefully go to lower crowded areas the few times we've been out to the park and given people wide berths but honestly with the parks mostly opened it hasn't been truly that hard in my specific area.

It's more crowded in my neighborhood if you consider the area people would be walking in and that's actually something I've avoided. I know a lot of people have mentioned just walking around your neighborhood but that's what many others have had the idea for and it's more dodging than I would like to do.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Are you advocating that EVERYONE needs to isolate until EVERYBODY feels safe?

Nope - just making it clear that some people are simply expendable right now. Bus driver but at risk - get to work or get no unemployment or benefits. Grocery store worker but at risk - get to work or get no unemployment or benefits. The list is long, and it effects many people right now.

I have no solutions - just pointing out that everyone who puts out these simplistic solutions simply isn't thinking them through. There is no simple solution. But if we really care about everyone, we can come up with something that does not create an expendable group of citizens.

 

[wombat_5606]

Actually it is a whole lot more than 100 peanuts to the 1 and would have to be allergic to peanuts for your scenario to be remotely close

Nope, you aren't understanding what I'm saying.

The food doesn't matter. I'm saying 1 of whatever 100 things I give you is poisonous, would you eat them? Yes or no?

 

[RamblingMad]

I can understand your feelings on that. We've done the same thing ourselves. We purposefully go to lower crowded areas the few times we've been out to the park and given people wide berths but honestly with the parks mostly opened it hasn't been truly that hard in my specific area.

It's more crowded in my neighborhood if you consider the area people would be walking in and that's actually something I've avoided. I know a lot of people have mentioned just walking around your neighborhood but that's what many others have had the idea for and it's more dodging than I would like to do.

I find urban walks stressful.