Will Never Ever Do Summer Again

[newsiegirl]

Not to sound like a huge idiot, but what is OP? Is it original poster? That's the only thing that I could think of! I'm fairly new, so don't be too harsh! lol

 

[sydprincess]

Yes, OP is original poster.

I am not trying to turn anyone away, as you should not as well. Condemning someone for simply posting facts about their trip is rude. If you feel someone's posting isn't politically correct, stop reading their post. I was not offended, therefore I am defending the OP. Also, I think it's far more important that the people who spend the money to travel to WDW aren't turned off by what they encounter there, as opposed to who *might* be turned off by reading these posts.

 

[Stitch Inside]

I'm just curious, how do you know the groups are from Brazil? Do they were t-shirts stating so?

They're usually wearing matching T-shirts and like the group we encountered, carrying a Brazilian flag and chanting "Brazil! Brazil!" I had a thread deleted on the Theme Park board because I posted what I did after hearing them chant throughout the BTMRR. At the end of the ride, when they were quiet for a second, I shouted, "Argentina!" They got quieter and gave me the stink eye. Argentina recently beat Brazil in a World Cup qualifying match.

 

[newsiegirl]

Sydprincess,
Well I was offended, therefore I am defending an innocent group of people. I'm sorry that I didn't realize I was not allowed to post my own opinion. How is that "condemning" the op? And once again, have I ever called anyone rude? Which I believe is what you just did. Just remember, everyone spends money to enjoy themselves at WDW, regardless of what country they are from. And I am sure so many more foreigners are turned off by the actions, comments, and cold stares of some of the people that actually live in this country.

 

[keishashadow]

Despite co-existing in an imperfect world, we all hope to have a magical experience @ WDW. After expending tons of time, energy & money planning for our visits, it's sometimes hard to reach our inflated expectations.

That said, I'm sure we all have our pet peeves pertaining to our fellow travelers. Mine are:

1. Folks who use strollers as "cowcatchers", especially @ rope drops, have seen people knocked over carelessly, and

2. Very loosely supervised groups of youngsters running wild without any apparent adult supervision, i.e. cheerleaders & twirlers. Yes, my kids go on group outings too, just hope the chaperones are more vigilant for everyone's sake.

Am I profiling, perhaps, but not by race, group/conduct. My generalizatons are based on dangerous behavior I've witnessed, both to the individuals & others around them. Of course, all strollers are not weapons, nor are all youth groups out of control. But I've experienced enough to want to avoid them in the future. Have some control re the youth groups (avoid the AS Resorts during scheduled events). Just have to be wary around the strollers, we've started to treat them as moving vehicles.

Bottom line, do your research...in the summer it's hot & crowded (as are the holidays); and few are on their best behavior - plan accordingly.

 

[swimmom]

Despite co-existing in an imperfect world, we all hope to have a magical experience @ WDW. After expending tons of time, energy & money planning for our visits, it's sometimes hard to reach our inflated expectations.

That said, I'm sure we all have our pet peeves pertaining to our fellow travelers. Mine are:

1. Folks who use strollers as "cowcatchers", especially @ rope drops, have seen people knocked over carelessly, and

2. Very loosely supervised groups of youngsters running wild without any apparent adult supervision, i.e. cheerleaders & twirlers. Yes, my kids go on group outings too, just hope the chaperones are more vigilant for everyone's sake.

Am I profiling, perhaps, but not by race, group/conduct. My generalizatons are based on dangerous behavior I've witnessed, both to the individuals & others around them. Of course, all strollers are not weapons, nor are all youth groups out of control. But I've experienced enough to want to avoid them in the future. Have some control re the youth groups (avoid the AS Resorts during scheduled events). Just have to be wary around the strollers, we've started to treat them as moving vehicles.

Bottom line, do your research...in the summer it's hot & crowded (as are the holidays); and few are on their best behavior - plan accordingly.

Excellent post - I for one appreciate the information regarding large tour groups etc.. for my future holiday planning. Just to add fuel to the fire - I was a chaperone for my oldest sons first trip overseas with his 5th grade class (to France) - it goes without saying that it would have been unthinkable to start chanting "USA, USA, USA" at the Louvre or Versailles. The French would never tolerate that sort of rudeness in public. Regardless of where you travelor where you are from, people need to behave themselves

 

[LindsayDunn228]

They're usually wearing matching T-shirts and like the group we encountered, carrying a Brazilian flag and chanting "Brazil! Brazil!" I had a thread deleted on the Theme Park board because I posted what I did after hearing them chant throughout the BTMRR. At the end of the ride, when they were quiet for a second, I shouted, "Argentina!" They got quieter and gave me the stink eye. Argentina recently beat Brazil in a World Cup qualifying match.

Too funny!

 

[cjsmith]

Yes, indeed, it can be in the 80s or snowing in December. As a kid, I remember many a morning standing waiting for the school bus with my HUGE, blue, down to my ankles blue poncho (that my grandmother had hand-made) over my head and snowflakes dancing on my nose!

I don't know the last time there was snow in December down here in Florida~it can be chilly, but snow????

 

[clkelley]

I don't know the last time there was snow in December down here in Florida~it can be chilly, but snow????

Actually, there is snow just about every night on Main Street at Magic Kingdom in December and every night on New York/Big City Street at Disney MGM Studios

 

[KevinM]

I'm starting to think that there are no "slow" times to go anymore. Dec. 03 was great, Dec. 04 was pretty crowded, and Feb. 05 (another "slow" period) was pretty darn packed. We're going the week after Thanksgiving this year and I'm starting to worry about crowds. We're taking first timers with us this year and I promised low crowds. After reading some of the threads regarding that week, I'm finding that it may be very busy, as opposed to what numerous publications report about that week.

 

[DisneyFreq]

They're usually wearing matching T-shirts and like the group we encountered, carrying a Brazilian flag and chanting "Brazil! Brazil!" I had a thread deleted on the Theme Park board because I posted what I did after hearing them chant throughout the BTMRR. At the end of the ride, when they were quiet for a second, I shouted, "Argentina!" They got quieter and gave me the stink eye. Argentina recently beat Brazil in a World Cup qualifying match.

I'm sorry, but that's about the funniest thing I've ever heard. And what an intelligent way to confront the problem. I can't understand why the thread was deleted. It's not like you bullied or used profane language and finger gestures (yes, there are some signs that are universal).

Now...to address weather...take it from a Floridian....hot/cold is all relative! Rather than rely soley on the forecast and recommendations of others, I suggest you go to wunderground.com. If you type in Orlando, Fl and click on trip planner you can enter your dates and it will give you the last 5 years of weather for those dates as well as the percentage chance of rain/heat/humidity/clouds based on historical trends. If you look at this as well as the predicted forecast I think it will be easier to "predict" what your trip weather will be like.

And to respond to what a recent poster has said, yes its starting to get more crowded YEAR ROUND. However, most ppl will agree that there are varying degrees of crowded and summer has GOT to be worse than Feb. I went to MK on a Saturday in July one year while I was pregnant (hmmm...9 years ago?). I guess the horomones just made me stupid. I think we waited in 90 degree heat for splash mountain for 2 1/2 hours. So since I was pregnant..I belive that worked out to about 300 degrees F. Anyhow...the perfect solution to all these crowds?? Disney should add another park of course! What hasn't been done yet? Mabey they could take toontown and expand it into a park of its own! Or how about a Florida Adventure? Florida and California have enough common points that many of the rides there would work here...like that big orange with the swings inside...mmmm smells like oranges! Huh? No? Oh alright.

 

[4Cs]

next time I'm pulling the kids out of school and going in November!

AMEN! That is the best time to go, IMO!

 

[Soprano]

I always find it bizarre whenever somebody "dares" to describe somebody by their race. It never takes too long before an International Human Rights lawyer wannabe arrives ready to speak on their behalf, as if they need defending from the aggressive white male. Do these wannabees think if they were even slightly offended by what the OP said, this means every person from Brazil would also be?

The OP simply described what they witnessed. They described their ethnicity, so what? Had he said there was a group of 30 something's doing the very same, nobody would have raised an eyelid. Is Political Correctness so strong in the US, people cannot describe an event they witnessed?

 

[sydprincess]

Soprano, HERE HERE. *I* do not worry about being politically correct, which is why I back up what the OP had to say 100%. These people are visitors in OUR country. They should be respectful and not act like they can get away with irrational behavior just because they're vacationing here. I don't care if someone wants to call me racist. Fire away! What can you do about it anyway?! LOLOLOL! Everyone here has a right to post their experience without being accused of being anything. Just read the dang post and move on with your life. Don't throw your two cents in- like what you have to say even matters to OP!!

 

[dis ms.]

I always find it bizarre whenever somebody "dares" to describe somebody by their race. It never takes too long before an International Human Rights lawyer wannabe arrives ready to speak on their behalf, as if they need defending from the aggressive white male. Do these wannabees think if they were even slightly offended by what the OP said, this means every person from Brazil would also be?

Wow. I think that's kind of harsh. I don't think that newsiegirl was out of line or rude. She was just voicing an opinion. That doesn't make her a wannabe human rights lawyer. Also, everyone is focusing on the comment about Brazilians in the OP's post. I didn't take issue with that because she was simply describing a group of people here visiting from another country. There's nothing wrong with that, IMHO. I wouldn't hesitate to say "this tour group from Brazil" or "Brazilian tour group".

Here's the part I thought was unnecessary:

Maybe it was the 3 hispanic boys smoking in the boat ahead of us on splash mountain

What does their being hispanic have to do with anything? To me, it has no relevance to the OP's story. Their behavior was improper, regardless of their ethnicity. If the boys had been Caucasian, would the OP have said "3 caucasian boys?"

BTW, I'm not a wannabe. Just someone with an opinion--like everyone else.

Everyone here has a right to post their experience without being accused of being anything

Did I miss something? I didn't see newsiegirl accusing the OP of anything. As far as I can tell, she never said anything about the OP being rude or racist. Perhaps you should be talking to Soprano about people's right to post without accusations (e.g., "International Human Rights Laywer wannabe").

Just read the dang post and move on with your life. Don't throw your two cents in- like what you have to say even matters to OP!!

You seem to have taken issue with newsiegirl's posts. So, you saw fit to throw in your two cents as if what you have to say even matters to newsiegirl. What's the difference between you posting an opposing viewpoint and newsiegirl doing such?

 

[newsiegirl]

WOW! I don't even know what to say anymore! If you go back and look at my posts, I don't think you will find me accusing anybody of being anything! Once again, I just posted my opinion, and now I'm being accused of everything! It sure is a nice welcome to the disboards! "These people are visitors in OUR country!" My gosh! And I guess your two cents means the whole world to the op! All I have to say is "thank you dis ms.!" It's nice to read a well written post on the obvious underdog opinion!
Also, is she your daughter? She is adorable!!! That is a wonderful picture!

 

[cjb71870]

WILL NEVER EVER DO SUMMER AGAIN
7/16-22
It was our 11th trip to WDW, though I think it will be our last for a very long time. In the past we always went during the fall, but this year I thought a summer trip might be nice. Maybe it was the 3 hispanic boys smoking in the boat ahead of us on splash mountain, or the 10 bzillion Brazillions singing, chanting like at a soccur match in many of the lines. or the Brazillions cutting in line in the fast past lines to catch up with their group members, or the 90 minute wait at midnight for space mountain, or the fact that the food quality at 2 of our favorite restaurants (San Angels and 50's PT) has dropped considerably. I just don't know. What I do know is that July is not the time to go the WDW.

I've mentioned on other threads. Summer is GROUP time!! And, the Brazilians are the worst!! I'm sorry it ruined your vacation! Trust me, I go about 10 times a year, but not in the summer!!! They chant and sing... You described it to a T!

 

[Soprano]

Wow. I think that's kind of harsh. I don't think that newsiegirl was out of line or rude. She was just voicing an opinion. That doesn't make her a wannabe human rights lawyer. Also, everyone is focusing on the comment about Brazilians in the OP's post. I didn't take issue with that because she was simply describing a group of people here visiting from another country. There's nothing wrong with that, IMHO. I wouldn't hesitate to say "this tour group from Brazil" or "Brazilian tour group".

You may notice, I did not single out newsiegirl in particular as she was not the only person who highlighted the OP's comment on what they witnessed.

My point was, and remains, what difference does it make the people if the OP descibes the people by their race?

They did not make a racist comment, nor even come close to being disrespectful, but merely making an observation.

Here's the part I thought was unnecessary:

Originally Posted by sportears Maybe it was the 3 hispanic boys smoking in the boat ahead of us on splash mountain


What does their being hispanic have to do with anything? To me, it has no relevance to the OP's story. Their behavior was improper, regardless of their ethnicity. If the boys had been Caucasian, would the OP have said "3 caucasian boys?"

And again I could take issue with your own comment. The OP was describing what they saw. You may have found the word hispanic "unnecessary", but one could argue the word "boys" was unnecessary using your logic.


Perhaps it was okay for some people to question the OP's post, but others do not like it if I make a comment on their reply.

WOW! I don't even know what to say anymore! If you go back and look at my posts, I don't think you will find me accusing anybody of being anything! Once again, I just posted my opinion, and now I'm being accused of everything! It sure is a nice welcome to the disboards! "These people are visitors in OUR country!" My gosh! And I guess your two cents means the whole world to the op! All I have to say is "thank you dis ms.!" It's nice to read a well written post on the obvious underdog opinion!

And I would say I did not personally accuse you of anything. My comment was in reply to all those who were highlighting what the OP said regarding race.


In conclusion, the OP stated what they saw. They described people in a non-offensive way. People took issue with the OPs comment. I was simply trying to point out it seems to me, someone who does not live in the "land of the free", that people need to be a little too careful using their free speech as it seems to cause offence.

It would be pointless of me to keep replying over and over as I have made my view clear enough.

Trying to make mountains out of molehills??

 

[Donna]

I'm starting to think that there are no "slow" times to go anymore. Dec. 03 was great, Dec. 04 was pretty crowded, and Feb. 05 (another "slow" period) was pretty darn packed. We're going the week after Thanksgiving this year and I'm starting to worry about crowds. We're taking first timers with us this year and I promised low crowds. After reading some of the threads regarding that week, I'm finding that it may be very busy, as opposed to what numerous publications report about that week.

I truely do believe this too...there really are no good times anymore. We just got back on sunday and yes it was very hot and at times crowded, but it was no way near as bad as i thought it would be. I have experienced much worse crowds in nov/dec trips than this past week. Sunday at MK, even peter pan was only a 20 min. wait and this was just before lunchtime. We walked on to many rides w/o fastpasses. Major bad-hair days though!!

 

[montblanc]

Maybe I should not say anything, lol. I have a time of year that seems to be always good...