Will Disney help the way Universal did?

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  1. cmwade77

    cmwade77 DIS Veteran

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    You have heard it form me that I tend to find Universal and Sea World both much more accommodating for guests with disabilities. The systems aren't all that different in theory, but in practice they really do a lot better job.
     
  2. Lilsia

    Lilsia DIS Veteran

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    No theme park/zoo is required to be your personal health care aid. You know that some of the rides require you to transfer to a wheelchair because of their design. If you are not capable of transferring yourself or wheel yourself in a chair then you need to bring someone with you that can assist you. They provide the wheelchair for your use but nowhere does it say they have to help you in and out and push you in it. Heck, the law does not even say that they have to provide wheelchairs, just that they are accessible by wheelchair. Plus any ride older then 2002 that has not been "altered" is exempt until they update it.
     
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  4. cmwade77

    cmwade77 DIS Veteran

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    The queues actually would have to be designed to be accessible via ECVs, not just wheelchairs unless being accessible by an ECV would fundamentally alter the nature of the experience, as this would provide equal access for those in wheelchairs as well as those in ECVs.

    ADA also has required equal access since far before 2002, but even if you take that year, every single attraction has been altered in some shape or form since then, even if it is relatively minor scene changes, it would count as being altered technically.
     
  5. Lilsia

    Lilsia DIS Veteran

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    I am sure if they were required to make every queue ECV accessible and they were not then the ADA would be all over them. The must have shown either that it was not possible or that particular ride has not had enough of an update. WDW is not an insignificant place that something like this would be overlooked. I am sure there have even been people try to sue them about it knowing today's society. Either way, if a person is unable to go through without aid, then they need to bring their own and not expect a theme park to push you around. It stinks that there are a couple rides where it is like this but the reality is not everyone can do everything. And you sure as heck can't expect a theme park to push you around in a wheelchair.
     
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  6. kaytieeldr

    kaytieeldr Post hoc, ergo propter hoc

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    No. There has to be substantial renovation done to require alteration.
     
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  7. DisneyOma

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    There are guidelines with measurements for accessible vehicles in the ADA - no way some of the larger ECVs fit in the accessibility guidelines, so not all ECVs will fit in a completely ADA acceptable queue.
     
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  8. Hoodie

    Hoodie <font color=purple>Going to BC and GF with one wee

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    TL/DR version: queues must be accessible by manual devices, but do not necessarily need to accommodate ECVs .

    Actual language:


    § 35.137 Mobility devices.
    • (a) Use of wheelchairs and manually-powered mobility aids. A public entity shall permit individuals with mobility disabilities to use wheelchairs and manually-powered mobility aids, such as walkers, crutches, canes, braces, or other similar devices designed for use by individuals with mobility disabilities in any areas open to pedestrian use.
    • (b)
      • (1) Use of other power-driven mobility devices. A public entity shall make reasonable modifications in its policies, practices, or procedures to permit the use of other power-driven mobility devices by individuals with mobility disabilities, unless the public entity can demonstrate that the class of other power-driven mobility devices cannot be operated in accordance with legitimate safety requirements that the public entity has adopted pursuant to § 35.130(h).
      • (2) Assessment factors. In determining whether a particular other power-driven mobility device can be allowed in a specific facility as a reasonable modification under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, a public entity shall consider—
        • (i) The type, size, weight, dimensions, and speed of the device;
        • (ii) The facility's volume of pedestrian traffic (which may vary at different times of the day, week, month, or year);
        • (iii) The facility's design and operational characteristics (e.g., whether its service, program, or activity is conducted indoors, its square footage, the density and placement of stationary devices, and the availability of storage for the device, if requested by the user);
        • (iv) Whether legitimate safety requirements can be established to permit the safe operation of the other power-driven mobility device in the specific facility; and
        • (v) Whether the use of the other power-driven mobility device creates a substantial risk of serious harm to the immediate environment or natural or cultural resources, or poses a conflict with Federal land management laws and regulations.
     
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  9. Hoodie

    Hoodie <font color=purple>Going to BC and GF with one wee

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    Also note: ADA accommodation does not require someone to assist with the manual chair. That is on the individual.
     
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  10. Groot

    Groot Earning My Ears

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    They’re regular manual wheelchairs with large (24 inch) rear wheels. They’re the standard Invacare-type with non removable arms, so if the only chair that you can push is the armless type (like me), it’s better to bring someone who can push you. Also, if you push yourself, I’d recommend getting pushing gloves like this:

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  11. wendow

    wendow We create happiness.

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    My dd18 uses a wheelchair at the parks. We've not done Universal but we have been to Sea World and ime, Disney does a similar/same job at accommodating her than Sea World. I've found nothing that Sea World does to be out of the norm in the least. I'm no Disney apologist and would be the first to say if Sea World did a better job.
     

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